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BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 03:10 AM Jul 2015

Clinton Campaign Starts Black Lives Matter Outreach

CLEVELAND — Hillary Clinton has begun to court leaders in the Black Lives Matter movement — starting at the movement’s biggest gathering ever.
Over the weekend, Clinton’s black outreach director, LaDavia Drane, attended the Movement for Black Lives convention in Cleveland. That visit marked the campaign’s first outreach to the movement, which has seen even wider press coverage in the past week after activists disrupted a presidential forum at Netroots Nation.
That protest has been fresh in the minds of presidential campaigns and many of the at least 1,300 attendees — according to organizers — at the weekend’s convention.
A Clinton campaign official on Saturday confirmed to BuzzFeed News that Drane “had one-on-one meetings and group listening sessions to engage stakeholders including ministers, community organizers, elected officials, and other individuals in Cleveland for the Movement for Black Lives.” An Ohio native, Drane engaged people inside the movement and listened to a range of suggestions related to Clinton’s outreach, as well as policy recommendations, the official said.

“We will continue to engage a wide array of stakeholders, including members of the black lives matter movement, when crafting policy on important issues like reforming our criminal justice system,” the official said.


Hillary Clinton knows she has to #earnthisdamnvoteorlose. Black voters owe her nothing, and she knows it. She is going to work to win their support.
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Clinton Campaign Starts Black Lives Matter Outreach (Original Post) BainsBane Jul 2015 OP
She has really come out of NRN smelling like a rose! 6chars Jul 2015 #1
And you base this opinion on what? Have you spoken to lots of members of the Black community? nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #86
Definitely a different set of rules are applied to her AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #120
See? I predicted this would happen the first day. bravenak Jul 2015 #2
Lol what kind of crystal ball did you need? azurnoir Jul 2015 #4
I figured she was enjoying this immensly and trying to figure out how to apply herself. bravenak Jul 2015 #5
Figure out, really? It was a given and the course that would be taken was quite obvious azurnoir Jul 2015 #6
You did.. Tia Oso, Patrisse Cullors, and all the #BlackLivesMatters protesters @ NRN did good! Cha Jul 2015 #9
It doesn't matter what HRC does or doesn't do or say. Feel the hate is strong. Iliyah Jul 2015 #11
+1 Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #21
yessssss zappaman Jul 2015 #94
She is a BOSS DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #17
Obviously she ain't no dummy. bravenak Jul 2015 #109
#earnthisdamnvoteorlose.. thank you, Hillary for Cha Jul 2015 #3
the inclusion of a 9 day old tweet from a relatively unknown person would seem to indicate azurnoir Jul 2015 #7
Hillary has a staff of ~200. She could afford to hire 10 people of color and send one of them as an magical thyme Jul 2015 #8
....hardworking Americans, white Americans.... nc4bo Jul 2015 #13
clean up on aisle 5. magical thyme Jul 2015 #14
I love your emojis and photo! artislife Jul 2015 #116
She has more than 32% PoC on her staff... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #16
the 10 listed at Black Kos a week or two ago magical thyme Jul 2015 #19
I don't understand... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #20
in response to a reply last night, I googled "black kos" to see the people of color on magical thyme Jul 2015 #23
But there was an actual report on this... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #24
then you may want to notify Black Kos that they missed a bunch of them magical thyme Jul 2015 #25
Unless I did not read it right, the Dailykos link you supplied never indicated this was the complete still_one Jul 2015 #32
Very interesting........eom artislife Jul 2015 #117
She has 33 percent people of color on her staff BainsBane Jul 2015 #28
I believe that her staff is more than 30% minorities, unlike Sanders' 10% George II Jul 2015 #30
Bernies' staff is 1/10th the size of Hillary's. doubtless the numbers will change as his staff grows magical thyme Jul 2015 #48
to clarify the discussion 6chars Jul 2015 #123
The overwhleming love and volunteerism for Bernie could acheive the same Sheepshank Jul 2015 #38
it will. his staff is nascent and tiny. it will grow. magical thyme Jul 2015 #70
Bernie has had 20 years to build his base Sheepshank Jul 2015 #81
Unlike H, he has only been running for prez for a couple of months artislife Jul 2015 #118
Cheap shots suck. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #41
Proof you are wrong BainsBane Jul 2015 #101
Yet another "inconvenient truth", thanks! George II Jul 2015 #125
Thirty two percent of her staff are People Of Color: DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #104
K&R ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #10
I guess I don't care much about the stupid politics. Vattel Jul 2015 #12
the "stupid politics"? BainsBane Jul 2015 #27
The hits on working to earn African American votes in this thread keep coming. "Pandering", "Stupid" stevenleser Jul 2015 #61
Sorry for being vague. Vattel Jul 2015 #106
Good question BainsBane Jul 2015 #107
okay, thanks for the reply Vattel Jul 2015 #108
Good. I can't imagine a smart campaign would sufrommich Jul 2015 #15
KNR! JaneyVee Jul 2015 #18
Hillary continues to do it her way. oasis Jul 2015 #22
Quote Hillary: "All Lives Matter" Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #26
So when she says something right you still have to put a negative slant on it? Amazing still_one Jul 2015 #29
Can you be more specific? Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #31
I am being specific. When someone acknowledges something correct, it seems you cannot tolerate still_one Jul 2015 #34
"Someone" is not very specific? Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #36
Different set of rules applied to her AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #121
She learned a valuble lesson from that,did you think she was going to ignore sufrommich Jul 2015 #33
What lesson and from who exactly? Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #35
She learned that saying "all lives matter" is offensive and she sufrommich Jul 2015 #37
Absolutely. The reason that BLM is important, is because African American lives have meant less still_one Jul 2015 #40
Beautiful thoughts she shared with respect to her mother. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #42
Yet Marin O'Mally was scolded for the same phrase??? Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #43
Can you link to O'Malley being scolded for remeniscing about his mother? NCTraveler Jul 2015 #44
THE SAME THREE WORDS... Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #47
Sorry, but O'Malley said "white lives matter". JaneyVee Jul 2015 #51
When and where did he say that? Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #54
He said it twice at NRN. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #56
Care to post his complete comment in context? Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #60
I am at least glad you are willing to show context is insignificant to you. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #63
Putting words in my mouth AND mind reading! Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #68
"obliviously fabricated anecdote" sufrommich Jul 2015 #69
Yes, your outrage is highly selective. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #76
fake anecdote? 6chars Jul 2015 #124
Martin O'Mally responded to the criticism immediately if I remember, sufrommich Jul 2015 #50
Outreach and working hard....she knows how to connect with the population Sheepshank Jul 2015 #39
Campaigning 101: Pandering Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #46
Guess who voted for that veto-proof bill? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #52
That's how you view issues for African Americans? Pandering? That won't help Bernie. It will hurt stevenleser Jul 2015 #59
That's what politicans and spinmeisters do. Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #64
You used the language of the right wing to describe outreach to minorities. You earned it. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #73
oh ffs....get real Sheepshank Jul 2015 #79
Regardless of how you feel about Madame Secretary her political 'chops' are second to none. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #45
With 200 advisors and focus groups she should have "chops" Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #49
"When you hire people that are smarter than you are you show you are smarter than they are." DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #53
Love me some Ogilvy...at least we agree she's "selling" Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #58
I made my bones in sales...I would still be doing it if I didn't run out of juice... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #62
This isn't a ROFL moment... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #55
I hope you have an abundance of time because a day long disquisition is forthcoming. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #57
Not really, My 2 week vacation ends Wednesday. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #72
I kid around...Cosmic Kitten is okay... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #75
Puuuuuurrrffect ;~) Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #119
No, I really like you... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #126
So now it's about me? Nice deflection from the issue Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #66
You made yourself the issue when you used right wing attack language to describe minority outreach. stevenleser Jul 2015 #74
So do you think... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #77
The behavior of some of the Sanders folks in this OP is an example of how not to help your candidate stevenleser Jul 2015 #65
If they don't get it yet,the odds are they're not ever going sufrommich Jul 2015 #67
Probably right but worth the effort. Some day, that person may be supporting the same candidate as stevenleser Jul 2015 #78
This is a win-win because the politically expedient thing to do is also the morally right thing ... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #71
Black lives matter to the Clinton campaign - for the time being tularetom Jul 2015 #80
Hillary forced desegregation onto her church as a teen... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #82
Bernie Sanders marched with MLK before Clinton had a drivers license tularetom Jul 2015 #84
You're the only one playing "that stupid game" though... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #88
I don't think I'm the one babbling about all the wonderful stuff Clinton did back in the day tularetom Jul 2015 #90
So you care about what they're saying now, while... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #91
That's true. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #83
So you're saying that all the BLM stuff is just cynical political strategy tularetom Jul 2015 #85
Campaigns involve political strategy. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #87
Pandering is just part of the game and it really doesn't matter if you lie to a large voting bloc tularetom Jul 2015 #89
I agree with you and you're still not happy. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #93
I've been voting in national elections since 1964 tularetom Jul 2015 #102
KnR sheshe2 Jul 2015 #92
How does this not have 400 recs?? JaneyVee Jul 2015 #95
Because issues no longer matter BainsBane Jul 2015 #96
She's already way ahead in polls on black voters... MellowDem Jul 2015 #97
It isn't for you to determine what the interests of black voters are BainsBane Jul 2015 #98
What a terrible straw man.... MellowDem Jul 2015 #99
Your words BainsBane Jul 2015 #100
And? MellowDem Jul 2015 #103
Your opinion was about people not voting in their own interests BainsBane Jul 2015 #105
Nope... MellowDem Jul 2015 #122
Sanders and O'Malley should take a hint and start such an outreach themselves! delrem Jul 2015 #110
Polling does show that more of Sanders supporters BainsBane Jul 2015 #111
So: DLC/Third-Way is more to the left than the Progressive caucus. delrem Jul 2015 #112
There is no Third Way canidate in this election BainsBane Jul 2015 #113
hehe. OK, gotta go. "no Third Way candidate" indeed! delrem Jul 2015 #114
most of his supporters are higher income whites also while she does better among lower income whites JI7 Jul 2015 #115
Do you have data showing that? Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #129
You keep distorting these poll numbers. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #128
Well good for her. Stellar Jul 2015 #127
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
86. And you base this opinion on what? Have you spoken to lots of members of the Black community? nt
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jul 2015
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
5. I figured she was enjoying this immensly and trying to figure out how to apply herself.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 05:56 AM
Jul 2015

This is why I warned people to stop acting crazy.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
6. Figure out, really? It was a given and the course that would be taken was quite obvious
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 06:06 AM
Jul 2015

at least IMO

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
11. It doesn't matter what HRC does or doesn't do or say. Feel the hate is strong.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 06:46 AM
Jul 2015

As to this thread, K & R!

Cha

(297,282 posts)
3. #earnthisdamnvoteorlose.. thank you, Hillary for
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 05:36 AM
Jul 2015
"Over the weekend, Clinton’s black outreach director, LaDavia Drane, attended the Movement for Black Lives convention in Cleveland. That visit marked the campaign’s first outreach to the movement, which has seen even wider press coverage in the past week after activists disrupted a presidential forum at Netroots Nation.
That protest has been fresh in the minds of presidential campaigns and many of the at least 1,300 attendees — according to organizers — at the weekend’s convention.

A Clinton campaign official on Saturday confirmed to BuzzFeed News that Drane “had one-on-one meetings and group listening sessions to engage stakeholders including ministers, community organizers, elected officials, and other individuals in Cleveland for the Movement for Black Lives.” An Ohio native, Drane engaged people inside the movement and listened to a range of suggestions related to Clinton’s outreach, as well as policy recommendations, the official said."


This is the most important issue.. right now.

Joshua Jackson ?@JoshuaKJackson
Dear White Progressives,

Black people don't HAVE to support Bernie or anyone. You don't own us & we don't owe you ANYTHING


#BernieSoBlack
6:10 AM - 19 Jul 2015 589 589 Retweets
865 865 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/07/22/chat-away-631/

Mahalo Bains~

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
7. the inclusion of a 9 day old tweet from a relatively unknown person would seem to indicate
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 06:10 AM
Jul 2015

that it's promoted that Bernie has a 'slave owner' mentality, interesting

Joshua Jackson ?@JoshuaKJackson
Dear White Progressives,

Black people don't HAVE to support Bernie or anyone. You don't own us & we don't owe you ANYTHING

#BernieSoBlack
6:10 AM - 19 Jul 2015 589 589 Retweets
865 865 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/07/22/chat-away-631/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251476695#post3

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
8. Hillary has a staff of ~200. She could afford to hire 10 people of color and send one of them as an
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 06:12 AM
Jul 2015

emissary.

Sorry, but 5% poc on your staff doesn't impress me.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
20. I don't understand...
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:52 AM
Jul 2015

A recent report says her staff is the most diverse. Do you have links saying otherwise?

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
23. in response to a reply last night, I googled "black kos" to see the people of color on
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jul 2015

Bernie's and Hillary's staffs. Black Kos did a thing on Bernie's staff and followed up with a thing on Hillary's staff.

They showed Hillary with approx. 10 poc on her staff. Bernie had added a 2nd one and they said he needs to step up his game (or words to that effect).

Then I followed links to their campaign org's staff list. I was approaching 200 when I stopped counting Hillary's total staff. Bernie was up to 20.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
24. But there was an actual report on this...
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:00 AM
Jul 2015
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/55aecd9be4b0a9b94852e873

If she has 200 staff members and 1/3 are PoC, then that would be over 70 staff members are PoC.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
32. Unless I did not read it right, the Dailykos link you supplied never indicated this was the complete
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jul 2015

staff of Hillary or Bernies campaign staff which were POC.

On the other hand the Huffington post link does indicate the total number of POC on her staff. The Huffington post link also has a later date

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
48. Bernies' staff is 1/10th the size of Hillary's. doubtless the numbers will change as his staff grows
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:34 AM
Jul 2015

6chars

(3,967 posts)
123. to clarify the discussion
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jul 2015

Additional breakdowns of the campaign staff of color estimate the following:

Candidate African American Latino Asian American Pacific Islander Native American Arab American
Clinton 13% 8% 8% 0% 3%
O’Malley 7% 0% 2% 0% 0%
Sanders 3% 7% 0% 0% 0%

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
38. The overwhleming love and volunteerism for Bernie could acheive the same
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:10 AM
Jul 2015

Seriously, the Bernie crowd loves to crow over the nationwide volunteer program that will make his the winner without funding.

It would appear that the whine is most loud when Hillary seems to be doing something right.

 

magical thyme

(14,881 posts)
70. it will. his staff is nascent and tiny. it will grow.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jul 2015

Hillary had a big head start and given some of her statements, and Bill's, back in 2008, she surely knew she needed to do something really, really big to undo the damage.

I'm guessing her need to undo that old damage why staff diversity is suddenly a meme of the day and another way to try to imply Bernie is racist. Meh.

He's doing ok funding wise, but I doubt his paid staff will ever be as ginormous as Hill's. End of this week when I pay my bills is when I will give him my little monthly donation. So'long as I have a few bucks left over I have a few to give.

Meantime it was an absolute shock to me to learn that there was a local meeting for him in my tiny, red, red village. Unfortunately I had to work a 13-hour shift that day, so couldn't attend. But soon I'll be retiring and then can volunteer.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
81. Bernie has had 20 years to build his base
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:37 PM
Jul 2015

...he can start his own outreach program today if he so chose to....and you will be able to help him.

It is always good when someone can participate in the election process. Good for you.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
104. Thirty two percent of her staff are People Of Color:
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 04:28 PM
Jul 2015
Citing the July 1 FEC filings, the group reported that Clinton's staff is 32 percent non-white, O’Malley's staff is 9 percent non-white and Sanders' staff is 10 percent non-white.

http://tinyurl.com/nwbalww


I think you have her confused with the other two guys.
 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
12. I guess I don't care much about the stupid politics.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 06:50 AM
Jul 2015

Does Clinton say how she will ensure that state and local police wear body cams? Will she use the threat of withholding federal funding? Would that work? These are sincere questions. A lot of AAs are tired of being courted for their votes only to be ignored once those votes are secured. My fear is that we are in another cycle of that.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
27. the "stupid politics"?
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:30 AM
Jul 2015

She said body cams should be a requirement some time ago. Talking to activists to see what their concerns are is not "stupid politics."

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
61. The hits on working to earn African American votes in this thread keep coming. "Pandering", "Stupid"
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jul 2015

etc.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
106. Sorry for being vague.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:25 PM
Jul 2015

The campaign strategy stuff (which is what I call "stupid politics" because it has more to do with winning elections than indicating how one would actually govern) doesn't interest me that much. (If it interests you, that's cool.) What interests me most is what she might actually do as President. I know she announced that she was in favor of body cams after the Freddie Gray incident. I was wondering how she thinks the president can ensure that body cams are used by state and local police departments.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
107. Good question
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:38 PM
Jul 2015

And of course the only way would be to tie it to federal funding. I don't know the details of her proposal, however.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
15. Good. I can't imagine a smart campaign would
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 07:27 AM
Jul 2015

disregard this powerful group,it would be a massive mistake.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
26. Quote Hillary: "All Lives Matter"
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:29 AM
Jul 2015

Rember when Hillary said:
"All Lives Matter"?

Before using the phrase, Clinton was retelling an anecdote about the lessons she learned from her mother.

"I asked her, 'What kept you going?' Her answer was very simple. Kindness along the way from someone who believed she mattered. All lives matter."

To some in the pews, what Clinton said fell flat. Or worse:

"With her statement that all lives matter, that blew a lot of support that she may have been able to engender here," said Renita Lamkin, a pastor at the St. John AME Church in St. Charles. She is white and while protesting in Ferguson was hit in the gut with a rubber bullet. Her passion comes in part because her children are African-American.

"My children matter," she said. "And I need to hear my president say that the lives of my children matter. That my little black children matter. Because right now our society does not say that they matter. Black lives matter. That's what she needs to say."

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417112956/hillary-clintons-three-word-gaffe-all-lives-matter

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
31. Can you be more specific?
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:42 AM
Jul 2015

Hillary alienated BLM with
her comment "all lives matter".

Others who have voiced a similar platitude
have been excoriated by the community?

What did she "say"...
better question, what has she done?

still_one

(92,217 posts)
34. I am being specific. When someone acknowledges something correct, it seems you cannot tolerate
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:52 AM
Jul 2015

anything that reflects a positive remark from Hillary.

Whatever gets ya going

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
36. "Someone" is not very specific?
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:56 AM
Jul 2015

Someone, something, anything...

not exactly what people generally consider "specific"

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
37. She learned that saying "all lives matter" is offensive and she
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jul 2015

learned that from the people who find it offensive, along with the reason why they find it offensive. See how easy that is? Everybody should give it a try.

still_one

(92,217 posts)
40. Absolutely. The reason that BLM is important, is because African American lives have meant less
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:14 AM
Jul 2015

than White American lives for some time now in America, and that needs to change



 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
42. Beautiful thoughts she shared with respect to her mother.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jul 2015

Last edited Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:31 PM - Edit history (1)

I love how she is so willing to share. It would take a special kind of person and hate to trash a woman for telling a story of inclusion she remembers from her mother. Thanks for bringing that up again. Another poster started an op on it this morning. It paints Hillary in such a positive light. I appreciate you spreading the word on the sweet words she said when reflecting on her mother. That is kind and unexpected from you.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
43. Yet Marin O'Mally was scolded for the same phrase???
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:28 AM
Jul 2015

Odd, selective outrage
and praise about the
exact same three words?


Sweet praise if it's from Hillary...
tone-deaf ignorance from others???

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
44. Can you link to O'Malley being scolded for remeniscing about his mother?
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:29 AM
Jul 2015

I really think you should listen a little more. Going for cheap political points by this manner of distortion is really turning people off.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
47. THE SAME THREE WORDS...
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jul 2015

Does it matter what fake
anecdote the candidate uses
to pander to a constituency?

Spin spin spin

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
54. When and where did he say that?
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:40 AM
Jul 2015

Did he not say "all lives matter"?

Or is this taking his comments
out of context to smear him?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
63. I am at least glad you are willing to show context is insignificant to you.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jul 2015

Keep ignoring all that is around you and focus like a laser on those three words. Complete remove the ability all humans have to look at things in context. You are flat out admitting that context means absolutely nothing to you. You are spinning by completely removing context.

Please show where O'Malley has been criticized by sharing a story about his mother. You said they were the exact same thing. The only way you can come to that conclusion is if you take personal offence to context and refuse to recognize it.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
68. Putting words in my mouth AND mind reading!
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jul 2015

Wow, that comes off as desperate.

The EXACT SAME THING
ARE THE EXACT SAME THREE WORDS.

Hillary is a sweetheart for telling an
obliviously fabricated anecdote...
while others are scolded for being tone-deaf?


Selective outrage if there ever was such a thing

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
76. Yes, your outrage is highly selective.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jul 2015

That is why you completely ignore context. Because you must in order to continue your outrage in this matter. Not one thing I have said reeks of desperation. Primarily because I am not desperate in any way. You see, I really like Sanders, Clinton and O'Malley. I don't feel the need to do what you are doing here. A dishonest attack on a damn good progressive. That is what it is when you completely remove context in order to stay outraged. Dishonest. At not one single point have you looked at context in any way. If you were to do so, it would immediately put your outrage to bed.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
50. Martin O'Mally responded to the criticism immediately if I remember,
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:35 AM
Jul 2015

he met with BLM after the protest and did an interview with Goldie Taylor from The Grio to talk about it. That helped him immensely.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
39. Outreach and working hard....she knows how to connect with the population
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:11 AM
Jul 2015

and will try hard for that population to know they can plan on her championing their needs.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
46. Campaigning 101: Pandering
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:31 AM
Jul 2015

IS she advocating the DoJ
address systemic institutional racism?

Her and Bill advocated "tough on crime"
mandatory minimum incarceration,
and the expansion of the prison industry...

yet now she's an advocate for the
victims of the Clinton legacy?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
59. That's how you view issues for African Americans? Pandering? That won't help Bernie. It will hurt
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jul 2015

him.

If you want to help Bernie, get him to do similar outreach.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
64. That's what politicans and spinmeisters do.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jul 2015

You should know that, as part of
the political commentariate.

That is a weak spin attempt to
conflate Hillary's pandering as
somehow representative of my view
of social issues.

How about less personal attacks
and more focus on the issue...
Hillary and other candidates?
M'kay?

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
79. oh ffs....get real
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:35 PM
Jul 2015

every politician is appealing to their constituency. You want to call Hillary's practice pandering, but Bernie's as something else.

The hypocricy runs deep.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
53. "When you hire people that are smarter than you are you show you are smarter than they are."
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:39 AM
Jul 2015
"When you hire people that are smarter than you are you show you are smarter than they are."

-David Ogilvy


@




Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
58. Love me some Ogilvy...at least we agree she's "selling"
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jul 2015

The g~d Father of advertising!

Titan of Madison Ave.

Snake oil salesman of the highest order!

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
62. I made my bones in sales...I would still be doing it if I didn't run out of juice...
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:46 AM
Jul 2015

The best politicians are the best salespeople because if people aren't buying what you're selling they will withhold their votes and you won't be able to get anything done.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
55. This isn't a ROFL moment...
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:40 AM
Jul 2015

No matter how much you want it to be. If the Bernie campaign did this you would be praising it up and down.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
66. So now it's about me? Nice deflection from the issue
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:49 AM
Jul 2015

This is about Hillary's campaign
not what a DU member "might do"
is this was a completely different scenario.

spin spin spin

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
65. The behavior of some of the Sanders folks in this OP is an example of how not to help your candidate
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jul 2015

If you want to hurt your candidate, call outreach to LGBT or African Americans or Women or Latinos "Stupid Politics" or "Pandering".

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
78. Probably right but worth the effort. Some day, that person may be supporting the same candidate as
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jul 2015

me.

I hope they won't do this crap if and when that happens.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
71. This is a win-win because the politically expedient thing to do is also the morally right thing ...
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:04 PM
Jul 2015

This is a win-win because the politically expedient thing to do is also the morally right thing to do. BLM deserves to have their voices heard and as Lyndon Johnson so famously said "it's better to have folks outside the tent pissing in."


tularetom

(23,664 posts)
80. Black lives matter to the Clinton campaign - for the time being
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:36 PM
Jul 2015

Once she has the nomination in her back pocket we will discover that they don't matter quite as much as they did before.

I'm amazed how easily people forget the borderline racist Clinton campaign against Obama in the 08 primaries. She can easily revert to that campaign model once she has assured herself of the African American vote.

It may be good politics, but it's very poor ethics and it will lead to a lot of disillusionment, cynicism and heartbreak among her black supporters if she is elected.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
82. Hillary forced desegregation onto her church as a teen...
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:42 PM
Jul 2015

Met MLK Jr., opened her office in Harlem and helped her local constituents with everything from housing issues to legal issues, has been talking about Black Lives Matter for a year, spends her personal time fundraising for CGI which is dedicated to fighting AIDS in Africa. The list goes on and on...

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
84. Bernie Sanders marched with MLK before Clinton had a drivers license
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jul 2015

I can play that stupid game too, so give me a break.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
90. I don't think I'm the one babbling about all the wonderful stuff Clinton did back in the day
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 01:19 PM
Jul 2015

You brought it up.

I simply pointed out how ridiculous it sounds.

Particularly after Sanders has been getting ridiculed in these threads for weeks because he pointed out that he marched with King.

Personally, I don't give a rats ass what either one of them did 40 or 50 years ago. I don't even care what they are saying now. I'm more concerned with what they will do if they are elected.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
83. That's true.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jul 2015

I can't argue against that being the case.

However, politics is the art of winning first, and if by doing this she gets it out of the way and wins the primary, then mission accomplished.

Once she gets the nomination, then she'll have stalwarts like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton helping tie up the AA vote, as well as Obama. The BLM thing can then be properly assigned within the overall campaign which, as you've noted, will be not as much.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
85. So you're saying that all the BLM stuff is just cynical political strategy
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:59 PM
Jul 2015

And the only goal is to win and if you have to sort of mislead some of your supporters to win, well, that's just the way it is. Sounds to me like that's the recipe for some seriously pissed off black Americans if she actually gets elected.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
87. Campaigns involve political strategy.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 01:07 PM
Jul 2015

Especially on the national level. I don't care who the candidate is.

Some strategies may leave a better taste in your mouth than others, but it's doesn't negate the necessity of finding the one that works.

As to who is and isn't pissed off, you cross that bridge when the time comes. Like Obama's doing anything differently now with those his policies have pissed off ("I didn't vote for that!&quot . Comes with the territory.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
89. Pandering is just part of the game and it really doesn't matter if you lie to a large voting bloc
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jul 2015

Because the only goal is to win.

I don't think you're helping Ms Clinton by saying that because she's pretending to be above all that.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
93. I agree with you and you're still not happy.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jul 2015

Of course candidates pander. I see no advantage to lie and try to claim they don't. Geez louise, pols have been kissing babies on the campaign trail since the beginning of time.

Now if you want to believe the candidates you support don't do that, then have at it. I'm the last person here to try and convince you about anything or try and steer your vote. But I'm not going to pretend candidates don't do exactly what I have watched them do all my life.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
102. I've been voting in national elections since 1964
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 03:17 PM
Jul 2015

I may have voted in the mid term election of 62, since I turned 21 that year, but I sort of doubt that I did because I was in the Army then, stationed some distance from home and not smart enough to understand absentee ballots.

At any rate, of course I realize that all candidates pander to some degree. But I think I'm an experienced enough voter to be able to understand which ones do it better than others. And I'm finally smart enough to do my own research into the past actions of a candidate in order to get some idea of what they might do if elected.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
96. Because issues no longer matter
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:05 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Mon Jul 27, 2015, 03:02 PM - Edit history (1)

Personality politics rules the day.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
97. She's already way ahead in polls on black voters...
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jul 2015

and voters in general for the primary, I doubt she'll have to earn much. Our democracy isn't great at electing people who represent our interests, but it's pretty good at getting people to vote against their own interests.

I'd say sending a representative to a meeting isn't much evidence of anything, I think the best evidence is what a politician has done in the past, and on that score Clinton was terrible for black people, IMHO. Considering her starting polls are so high due to all her advantages, I'd say she will just try not losing votes. If she does, she'll resort to race baiting and whistle blowing like she did last time I'm sure.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
98. It isn't for you to determine what the interests of black voters are
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:29 PM
Jul 2015

They can determine that themselves.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
99. What a terrible straw man....
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:39 PM
Jul 2015

Does it make you feel good to distort points and arguments so obviously?

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
100. Your words
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:49 PM
Jul 2015
She's already way ahead in polls on black voters...and voters in general for the primary,I doubt she'll have to earn much. Our democracy isn't great at electing people who represent our interests, but it's pretty good at getting people to vote against their own interests.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=477315

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
103. And?
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 04:24 PM
Jul 2015

Nothing in there relates to your straw man.

Do you think having opinions means telling people what to do?

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
105. Your opinion was about people not voting in their own interests
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 08:07 PM
Jul 2015

In the context of a discussion of Clinton's overtures to Black Lives Matter. You were clear enough. My point is not a strawman.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
122. Nope...
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:16 PM
Jul 2015

Your post was a completely dishonest straw man. You didn't like my opinion, so you posted bullshit. Good for you.

I don't think Clinton's overtures are genuine, and I think a lot of Americans vote against their own interests, and none of that has fuck all to do with telling black people what to do. So fuck off with your dishonesty.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
110. Sanders and O'Malley should take a hint and start such an outreach themselves!
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:06 PM
Jul 2015

But clearly evidence shows that it takes a Clinton to start the ball rolling.
It isn't any wonder that Bill was called "the first black president", and Sanders was mocked with #berniesoblack.

It's because Hillary can hardly be called a "white progressive" that she escapes the derision thrown at the progressive movement, which focusses on passe ideas like economic justice. On communist ideas like "The prison system shouldn't be a private for profit investment opportunity for speculative capital!", and "There should be a strong and well-funded public school system, so people of all economic strata can be guaranteed an adequate or even better education, rather than a private for profit system whose existence depends on it being a lucrative investment opportunity for speculative capital!" And so on.

I just heard, on DU and so it's truth, that Hillary is more progressive and to the left than Bernie. Bernie's supporters don't know that because they don't listen.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
111. Polling does show that more of Sanders supporters
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:15 PM
Jul 2015

identify as "very conservative" than anything else, whereas more of Clinton's identify as "very liberal."

Hillary 57% overall support
64% identifying at very liberal
58% identifying as liberal
59% identifying as moderate
37% identifying as somewhat conservative
27% identifying as very conservative

Sanders 22% overall support
26% identifying at very liberal
19% identifying as liberal
16% identifying as moderate
31% identifying as somewhat conservative
42% identifying as very conservative

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_72215.pdf

That isn't to say all of Clinton's supporters are liberal or all of Sanders are conservative, but polls do show a general tendency.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
112. So: DLC/Third-Way is more to the left than the Progressive caucus.
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:32 PM
Jul 2015

I just love "opinion polls".

So I should vote *against* the progressive movement, and for the corporate status quo, if I identify to the "left". Because this polling company writes this bullshit.
Wonderful.

eta: just to add some generic links
Congressional Progressive Caucus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus
Democratic Leadership Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council

Read them, and honestly compare.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
113. There is no Third Way canidate in this election
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 10:57 PM
Jul 2015

Clinton is running to the left of her husband. The fact is no one gives a shit about those labels. People have real issues to worry about, their lives. You all can hurl every insult you want until Nov 2016, and it doesn't make one bit of difference.

Sanders is to the right of Clinton on guns, on Israel, and he makes a point of avoiding the so-called "culture wars," which means issues relating to the basic rights of the majority of Americans--the non-straight, white male majority. His appeal is strongest among middle class whites, especially men. He has drawn a libertarian support too, and those folks are far to the right of Third Way. The general ethos that the country needs to move back to a time when they were more prosperous is something shared across party lines and is common among certain kinds of white people.

Now, I know people like you and your friends don't worry about trivial things like issues or the lives of ordinary folks and prefer to focus on labels. Knock yourself out. The rest of us simply do not care. We have our lives to worry about. We aren't in the kind of tax bracket that enables us to think there is no difference if the GOP or Republicans get elected.

You should also note that the favorability ratings being touted about Sanders in a recent poll are among the general electorate. That same poll has Hillary viewed far more favorably among Democrats than Sanders. Sanders is viewed more favorably only when Republicans are included.

You might also remember that the Tea Party began in opposition to the Wall Street bail out. That issue resonates with them, as does his anger against the Obama administration. As long as he doesn't talk to much about us little people, he should be able to maintain that support. The problem is the more he talks about women's rights and racism, the more he is likely to lose that vote.

JI7

(89,251 posts)
115. most of his supporters are higher income whites also while she does better among lower income whites
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 12:32 AM
Jul 2015

and all minorities.

so that could explain it a bit.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
128. You keep distorting these poll numbers.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 05:59 PM
Jul 2015

1. This is not the general public, but self-identified Democratic primary voters.

2. It seems like both Hillary and Bernie have support among conservative Democrats.

Hillary: 27% very conservative, 37% somewhat conservative
Bernie: 42% very conservative, 31% somewhat conservative

3. Nobody can say what the hell a conservative Democrat is. Conservative on what? The environment? Guns? Race? The economy? What?

Stellar

(5,644 posts)
127. Well good for her.
Tue Jul 28, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jul 2015

Hillary Clinton knows she has to #earnthisdamnvoteorlose. Black voters owe her nothing, and she knows it. She is going to work to win their support.

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