2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Campaign Starts Black Lives Matter Outreach
Over the weekend, Clintons black outreach director, LaDavia Drane, attended the Movement for Black Lives convention in Cleveland. That visit marked the campaigns first outreach to the movement, which has seen even wider press coverage in the past week after activists disrupted a presidential forum at Netroots Nation.
That protest has been fresh in the minds of presidential campaigns and many of the at least 1,300 attendees according to organizers at the weekends convention.
A Clinton campaign official on Saturday confirmed to BuzzFeed News that Drane had one-on-one meetings and group listening sessions to engage stakeholders including ministers, community organizers, elected officials, and other individuals in Cleveland for the Movement for Black Lives. An Ohio native, Drane engaged people inside the movement and listened to a range of suggestions related to Clintons outreach, as well as policy recommendations, the official said.
We will continue to engage a wide array of stakeholders, including members of the black lives matter movement, when crafting policy on important issues like reforming our criminal justice system, the official said.
Hillary Clinton knows she has to #earnthisdamnvoteorlose. Black voters owe her nothing, and she knows it. She is going to work to win their support.
6chars
(3,967 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
bravenak
(34,648 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)This is why I warned people to stop acting crazy.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)at least IMO
Cha
(297,282 posts)Iliyah
(25,111 posts)As to this thread, K & R!
"Feel the hate is strong."
zappaman
(20,606 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Smart move. She always tries to connect with different groups.
Cha
(297,282 posts)That protest has been fresh in the minds of presidential campaigns and many of the at least 1,300 attendees according to organizers at the weekends convention.
A Clinton campaign official on Saturday confirmed to BuzzFeed News that Drane had one-on-one meetings and group listening sessions to engage stakeholders including ministers, community organizers, elected officials, and other individuals in Cleveland for the Movement for Black Lives. An Ohio native, Drane engaged people inside the movement and listened to a range of suggestions related to Clintons outreach, as well as policy recommendations, the official said."
This is the most important issue.. right now.
Joshua Jackson ?@JoshuaKJackson
Dear White Progressives,
Black people don't HAVE to support Bernie or anyone. You don't own us & we don't owe you ANYTHING
#BernieSoBlack
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http://theobamadiary.com/2015/07/22/chat-away-631/
Mahalo Bains~
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)that it's promoted that Bernie has a 'slave owner' mentality, interesting
Joshua Jackson ?@JoshuaKJackson
Dear White Progressives,
Black people don't HAVE to support Bernie or anyone. You don't own us & we don't owe you ANYTHING
#BernieSoBlack
6:10 AM - 19 Jul 2015 589 589 Retweets
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http://theobamadiary.com/2015/07/22/chat-away-631/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251476695#post3
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)emissary.
Sorry, but 5% poc on your staff doesn't impress me.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)Now you're worried? More like clean up on aisle 5.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)The hair is where the power is!
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Where did you get 5% from?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)may want to update them.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)A recent report says her staff is the most diverse. Do you have links saying otherwise?
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Bernie's and Hillary's staffs. Black Kos did a thing on Bernie's staff and followed up with a thing on Hillary's staff.
They showed Hillary with approx. 10 poc on her staff. Bernie had added a 2nd one and they said he needs to step up his game (or words to that effect).
Then I followed links to their campaign org's staff list. I was approaching 200 when I stopped counting Hillary's total staff. Bernie was up to 20.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)If she has 200 staff members and 1/3 are PoC, then that would be over 70 staff members are PoC.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)still_one
(92,217 posts)staff of Hillary or Bernies campaign staff which were POC.
On the other hand the Huffington post link does indicate the total number of POC on her staff. The Huffington post link also has a later date
artislife
(9,497 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Not 5 percent.
George II
(67,782 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)6chars
(3,967 posts)Additional breakdowns of the campaign staff of color estimate the following:
Candidate African American Latino Asian American Pacific Islander Native American Arab American
Clinton 13% 8% 8% 0% 3%
OMalley 7% 0% 2% 0% 0%
Sanders 3% 7% 0% 0% 0%
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)Seriously, the Bernie crowd loves to crow over the nationwide volunteer program that will make his the winner without funding.
It would appear that the whine is most loud when Hillary seems to be doing something right.
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Hillary had a big head start and given some of her statements, and Bill's, back in 2008, she surely knew she needed to do something really, really big to undo the damage.
I'm guessing her need to undo that old damage why staff diversity is suddenly a meme of the day and another way to try to imply Bernie is racist. Meh.
He's doing ok funding wise, but I doubt his paid staff will ever be as ginormous as Hill's. End of this week when I pay my bills is when I will give him my little monthly donation. So'long as I have a few bucks left over I have a few to give.
Meantime it was an absolute shock to me to learn that there was a local meeting for him in my tiny, red, red village. Unfortunately I had to work a 13-hour shift that day, so couldn't attend. But soon I'll be retiring and then can volunteer.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...he can start his own outreach program today if he so chose to....and you will be able to help him.
It is always good when someone can participate in the election process. Good for you.
artislife
(9,497 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Cheap shots with no backing in todays reality leave one looking foolish.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)I realize the truth as always is entirely irrelevant.
George II
(67,782 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)http://tinyurl.com/nwbalww
I think you have her confused with the other two guys.
ismnotwasm
(41,988 posts)Vattel
(9,289 posts)Does Clinton say how she will ensure that state and local police wear body cams? Will she use the threat of withholding federal funding? Would that work? These are sincere questions. A lot of AAs are tired of being courted for their votes only to be ignored once those votes are secured. My fear is that we are in another cycle of that.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)She said body cams should be a requirement some time ago. Talking to activists to see what their concerns are is not "stupid politics."
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)etc.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)The campaign strategy stuff (which is what I call "stupid politics" because it has more to do with winning elections than indicating how one would actually govern) doesn't interest me that much. (If it interests you, that's cool.) What interests me most is what she might actually do as President. I know she announced that she was in favor of body cams after the Freddie Gray incident. I was wondering how she thinks the president can ensure that body cams are used by state and local police departments.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)And of course the only way would be to tie it to federal funding. I don't know the details of her proposal, however.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)disregard this powerful group,it would be a massive mistake.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)oasis
(49,389 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Rember when Hillary said:
"All Lives Matter"?
"I asked her, 'What kept you going?' Her answer was very simple. Kindness along the way from someone who believed she mattered. All lives matter."
To some in the pews, what Clinton said fell flat. Or worse:
"With her statement that all lives matter, that blew a lot of support that she may have been able to engender here," said Renita Lamkin, a pastor at the St. John AME Church in St. Charles. She is white and while protesting in Ferguson was hit in the gut with a rubber bullet. Her passion comes in part because her children are African-American.
"My children matter," she said. "And I need to hear my president say that the lives of my children matter. That my little black children matter. Because right now our society does not say that they matter. Black lives matter. That's what she needs to say."
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/417112956/hillary-clintons-three-word-gaffe-all-lives-matter
still_one
(92,217 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Hillary alienated BLM with
her comment "all lives matter".
Others who have voiced a similar platitude
have been excoriated by the community?
What did she "say"...
better question, what has she done?
still_one
(92,217 posts)anything that reflects a positive remark from Hillary.
Whatever gets ya going
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Someone, something, anything...
not exactly what people generally consider "specific"
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Funny how it keeps working out that way...
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)their advice?
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)learned that from the people who find it offensive, along with the reason why they find it offensive. See how easy that is? Everybody should give it a try.
still_one
(92,217 posts)than White American lives for some time now in America, and that needs to change
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 27, 2015, 12:31 PM - Edit history (1)
I love how she is so willing to share. It would take a special kind of person and hate to trash a woman for telling a story of inclusion she remembers from her mother. Thanks for bringing that up again. Another poster started an op on it this morning. It paints Hillary in such a positive light. I appreciate you spreading the word on the sweet words she said when reflecting on her mother. That is kind and unexpected from you.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Odd, selective outrage
and praise about the
exact same three words?
Sweet praise if it's from Hillary...
tone-deaf ignorance from others???
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I really think you should listen a little more. Going for cheap political points by this manner of distortion is really turning people off.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Does it matter what fake
anecdote the candidate uses
to pander to a constituency?
Spin spin spin
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Did he not say "all lives matter"?
Or is this taking his comments
out of context to smear him?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Did he say it in the context of...
"all lives matter"?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Keep ignoring all that is around you and focus like a laser on those three words. Complete remove the ability all humans have to look at things in context. You are flat out admitting that context means absolutely nothing to you. You are spinning by completely removing context.
Please show where O'Malley has been criticized by sharing a story about his mother. You said they were the exact same thing. The only way you can come to that conclusion is if you take personal offence to context and refuse to recognize it.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)Wow, that comes off as desperate.
The EXACT SAME THING
ARE THE EXACT SAME THREE WORDS.
Hillary is a sweetheart for telling an
obliviously fabricated anecdote...
while others are scolded for being tone-deaf?
Selective outrage if there ever was such a thing
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)WTF? Why would you even say that?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That is why you completely ignore context. Because you must in order to continue your outrage in this matter. Not one thing I have said reeks of desperation. Primarily because I am not desperate in any way. You see, I really like Sanders, Clinton and O'Malley. I don't feel the need to do what you are doing here. A dishonest attack on a damn good progressive. That is what it is when you completely remove context in order to stay outraged. Dishonest. At not one single point have you looked at context in any way. If you were to do so, it would immediately put your outrage to bed.
6chars
(3,967 posts)What is fake about her mother saying "all lives matter"?
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)he met with BLM after the protest and did an interview with Goldie Taylor from The Grio to talk about it. That helped him immensely.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)and will try hard for that population to know they can plan on her championing their needs.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)IS she advocating the DoJ
address systemic institutional racism?
Her and Bill advocated "tough on crime"
mandatory minimum incarceration,
and the expansion of the prison industry...
yet now she's an advocate for the
victims of the Clinton legacy?
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Bernie Sanders. Not Hillary.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)him.
If you want to help Bernie, get him to do similar outreach.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)You should know that, as part of
the political commentariate.
That is a weak spin attempt to
conflate Hillary's pandering as
somehow representative of my view
of social issues.
How about less personal attacks
and more focus on the issue...
Hillary and other candidates?
M'kay?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)every politician is appealing to their constituency. You want to call Hillary's practice pandering, but Bernie's as something else.
The hypocricy runs deep.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)...as though she writes her own material
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)-David Ogilvy
@
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)The g~d Father of advertising!
Titan of Madison Ave.
Snake oil salesman of the highest order!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The best politicians are the best salespeople because if people aren't buying what you're selling they will withhold their votes and you won't be able to get anything done.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)No matter how much you want it to be. If the Bernie campaign did this you would be praising it up and down.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)She's just very passionate.
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)But just in case....
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)eom
Cosmic Kitten
(3,498 posts)This is about Hillary's campaign
not what a DU member "might do"
is this was a completely different scenario.
spin spin spin
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)This is a good move by her or are you spinning this into a negative?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)If you want to hurt your candidate, call outreach to LGBT or African Americans or Women or Latinos "Stupid Politics" or "Pandering".
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)to get it.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)me.
I hope they won't do this crap if and when that happens.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)This is a win-win because the politically expedient thing to do is also the morally right thing to do. BLM deserves to have their voices heard and as Lyndon Johnson so famously said "it's better to have folks outside the tent pissing in."
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Once she has the nomination in her back pocket we will discover that they don't matter quite as much as they did before.
I'm amazed how easily people forget the borderline racist Clinton campaign against Obama in the 08 primaries. She can easily revert to that campaign model once she has assured herself of the African American vote.
It may be good politics, but it's very poor ethics and it will lead to a lot of disillusionment, cynicism and heartbreak among her black supporters if she is elected.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Met MLK Jr., opened her office in Harlem and helped her local constituents with everything from housing issues to legal issues, has been talking about Black Lives Matter for a year, spends her personal time fundraising for CGI which is dedicated to fighting AIDS in Africa. The list goes on and on...
tularetom
(23,664 posts)I can play that stupid game too, so give me a break.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)tularetom
(23,664 posts)You brought it up.
I simply pointed out how ridiculous it sounds.
Particularly after Sanders has been getting ridiculed in these threads for weeks because he pointed out that he marched with King.
Personally, I don't give a rats ass what either one of them did 40 or 50 years ago. I don't even care what they are saying now. I'm more concerned with what they will do if they are elected.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Dismissing what they're saying now?? Okay.
BKH70041
(961 posts)I can't argue against that being the case.
However, politics is the art of winning first, and if by doing this she gets it out of the way and wins the primary, then mission accomplished.
Once she gets the nomination, then she'll have stalwarts like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton helping tie up the AA vote, as well as Obama. The BLM thing can then be properly assigned within the overall campaign which, as you've noted, will be not as much.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)And the only goal is to win and if you have to sort of mislead some of your supporters to win, well, that's just the way it is. Sounds to me like that's the recipe for some seriously pissed off black Americans if she actually gets elected.
BKH70041
(961 posts)Especially on the national level. I don't care who the candidate is.
Some strategies may leave a better taste in your mouth than others, but it's doesn't negate the necessity of finding the one that works.
As to who is and isn't pissed off, you cross that bridge when the time comes. Like Obama's doing anything differently now with those his policies have pissed off ("I didn't vote for that!" . Comes with the territory.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)Because the only goal is to win.
I don't think you're helping Ms Clinton by saying that because she's pretending to be above all that.
BKH70041
(961 posts)Of course candidates pander. I see no advantage to lie and try to claim they don't. Geez louise, pols have been kissing babies on the campaign trail since the beginning of time.
Now if you want to believe the candidates you support don't do that, then have at it. I'm the last person here to try and convince you about anything or try and steer your vote. But I'm not going to pretend candidates don't do exactly what I have watched them do all my life.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)I may have voted in the mid term election of 62, since I turned 21 that year, but I sort of doubt that I did because I was in the Army then, stationed some distance from home and not smart enough to understand absentee ballots.
At any rate, of course I realize that all candidates pander to some degree. But I think I'm an experienced enough voter to be able to understand which ones do it better than others. And I'm finally smart enough to do my own research into the past actions of a candidate in order to get some idea of what they might do if elected.
sheshe2
(83,786 posts)Thanks Bains~
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 27, 2015, 03:02 PM - Edit history (1)
Personality politics rules the day.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)and voters in general for the primary, I doubt she'll have to earn much. Our democracy isn't great at electing people who represent our interests, but it's pretty good at getting people to vote against their own interests.
I'd say sending a representative to a meeting isn't much evidence of anything, I think the best evidence is what a politician has done in the past, and on that score Clinton was terrible for black people, IMHO. Considering her starting polls are so high due to all her advantages, I'd say she will just try not losing votes. If she does, she'll resort to race baiting and whistle blowing like she did last time I'm sure.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)They can determine that themselves.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)Does it make you feel good to distort points and arguments so obviously?
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=477315
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)Nothing in there relates to your straw man.
Do you think having opinions means telling people what to do?
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)In the context of a discussion of Clinton's overtures to Black Lives Matter. You were clear enough. My point is not a strawman.
MellowDem
(5,018 posts)Your post was a completely dishonest straw man. You didn't like my opinion, so you posted bullshit. Good for you.
I don't think Clinton's overtures are genuine, and I think a lot of Americans vote against their own interests, and none of that has fuck all to do with telling black people what to do. So fuck off with your dishonesty.
delrem
(9,688 posts)But clearly evidence shows that it takes a Clinton to start the ball rolling.
It isn't any wonder that Bill was called "the first black president", and Sanders was mocked with #berniesoblack.
It's because Hillary can hardly be called a "white progressive" that she escapes the derision thrown at the progressive movement, which focusses on passe ideas like economic justice. On communist ideas like "The prison system shouldn't be a private for profit investment opportunity for speculative capital!", and "There should be a strong and well-funded public school system, so people of all economic strata can be guaranteed an adequate or even better education, rather than a private for profit system whose existence depends on it being a lucrative investment opportunity for speculative capital!" And so on.
I just heard, on DU and so it's truth, that Hillary is more progressive and to the left than Bernie. Bernie's supporters don't know that because they don't listen.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)identify as "very conservative" than anything else, whereas more of Clinton's identify as "very liberal."
Hillary 57% overall support
64% identifying at very liberal
58% identifying as liberal
59% identifying as moderate
37% identifying as somewhat conservative
27% identifying as very conservative
Sanders 22% overall support
26% identifying at very liberal
19% identifying as liberal
16% identifying as moderate
31% identifying as somewhat conservative
42% identifying as very conservative
http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2015/PPP_Release_National_72215.pdf
That isn't to say all of Clinton's supporters are liberal or all of Sanders are conservative, but polls do show a general tendency.
delrem
(9,688 posts)I just love "opinion polls".
So I should vote *against* the progressive movement, and for the corporate status quo, if I identify to the "left". Because this polling company writes this bullshit.
Wonderful.
eta: just to add some generic links
Congressional Progressive Caucus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus
Democratic Leadership Council
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Leadership_Council
Read them, and honestly compare.
BainsBane
(53,035 posts)Clinton is running to the left of her husband. The fact is no one gives a shit about those labels. People have real issues to worry about, their lives. You all can hurl every insult you want until Nov 2016, and it doesn't make one bit of difference.
Sanders is to the right of Clinton on guns, on Israel, and he makes a point of avoiding the so-called "culture wars," which means issues relating to the basic rights of the majority of Americans--the non-straight, white male majority. His appeal is strongest among middle class whites, especially men. He has drawn a libertarian support too, and those folks are far to the right of Third Way. The general ethos that the country needs to move back to a time when they were more prosperous is something shared across party lines and is common among certain kinds of white people.
Now, I know people like you and your friends don't worry about trivial things like issues or the lives of ordinary folks and prefer to focus on labels. Knock yourself out. The rest of us simply do not care. We have our lives to worry about. We aren't in the kind of tax bracket that enables us to think there is no difference if the GOP or Republicans get elected.
You should also note that the favorability ratings being touted about Sanders in a recent poll are among the general electorate. That same poll has Hillary viewed far more favorably among Democrats than Sanders. Sanders is viewed more favorably only when Republicans are included.
You might also remember that the Tea Party began in opposition to the Wall Street bail out. That issue resonates with them, as does his anger against the Obama administration. As long as he doesn't talk to much about us little people, he should be able to maintain that support. The problem is the more he talks about women's rights and racism, the more he is likely to lose that vote.
delrem
(9,688 posts)Bwaaahahahahah!
That's just so funny!
JI7
(89,251 posts)and all minorities.
so that could explain it a bit.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)1. This is not the general public, but self-identified Democratic primary voters.
2. It seems like both Hillary and Bernie have support among conservative Democrats.
Hillary: 27% very conservative, 37% somewhat conservative
Bernie: 42% very conservative, 31% somewhat conservative
3. Nobody can say what the hell a conservative Democrat is. Conservative on what? The environment? Guns? Race? The economy? What?
Stellar
(5,644 posts)Hillary Clinton knows she has to #earnthisdamnvoteorlose. Black voters owe her nothing, and she knows it. She is going to work to win their support.