Bernie Sanders shut down Chuck Todd on Meet the Press today...

[rsexaminer]

Todd brought up the Black Lives Matter issue from Netroots Nation last week, it was an interesting exchange.


http://www.examiner.com/article/bernie-sanders-shuts-down-chuck-todd-during-meet-the-press-over-civil-rights

[still_one]

1. Thanks for the link. Others brought it up but did not give details. Thanks

[thelordofhell]

2. It's the only way to deal with Chuck Turdd

Cut him off before he spouts the reich-wing talking point he's been fed.........

[AtomicKitten]

3. Bernie was in complete control and didn't yield an inch.

It was a thing of beauty.

[beam me up scottie]

4. Seeing him smack down the Toad and put him in his place was a thing of beauty.

Sit up and take notice, people.

This is how it's done.

[spooky3]

5. He did a great job.

[Lochloosa]

6. I love that he never allowed the toad to play the clip.

[beam me up scottie]

7. Ikr???

That was masterful.



Bernie's sick of the bullshit and so am I.

[msanthrope]

8. this supports what a lot a very sane people on this board have been saying all week.....

Bernie can handle the black lives matter movement and issue very well and can get his message out. his supporters who have rushed to condemn black lives matter and have really stirred the racial pot on Twitter truly need to chill out and let the man say his message

[cascadiance]

9. I would challenge you to find any Bernie supporters here who "condemn" BLM movement here...

They were NOT taking issue with the movement, just as Bernie is not taking issue with the movement either. Most of us if not all of us do SUPPORT the BLM movement. We just had issues with the methodology of protests that some were using during Bernie's attempt to speak at an event on immigration issues, where he was not given any real chance to speak in a rational way about this movement then without basically throwing out the rest of his speech on immigration topics that others had gathered there to hear. It was confrontational, and didn't need to be, and being confrontational, many felt the net effect was more harmful than good for both Bernie's campaign and for the BLM movement as well, no matter now noble minded both sides may be in their mind sets.

I'm hoping they've had a chance to have some good long private chats with each other in how to leverage each other and use each other to build both Bernie's movement and BLM's movement out more in the future rather than hurt both of them in future events.

Thanks for acknowledging Bernie now and his space to be able to address these issues that he wasn't able to then without being mischaracterized in so many ways then.

[msanthrope]

16. sorry but you can't unring that Bell.......

No one is going to forget the Bernie supporter who decided to use the term "race nagging."

no one is going to forget the Bernie supporter who posited various theories about the conspiracy between BLM and the right wing to bring Bernie down.

no one is going to forget the Bernie supporter who castigated BLM for not showing enough respect to Bernie.

those OP's were all over GDP last week you can't erase them.

[cascadiance]

17. I think most of those people's comments were referring to the specific protestors...

... at the Netroots speech, not the movement in general. Those that aren't are a smaill minority of Bernie supporters, that I think get caught perhaps saying the wrong thing when pushed by actions by a set of individuals that really don't speak well or for all of a movement like BLM...

i want to make it clear that I support the BLM movement in general and the need to reform our laws on the way law enforcement treat people of color in so many instances now. I've done so through working on a platform resolution the last few weeks locally that did specifically reject such abuse and ask for reform here in our county.

We need to distinguish between the objectives and actions of a whole movement and the actions of certain individuals. There is a tendency when some like those who were yelling and not really giving Bernie a chance to speak, or perhaps those in the Bernie movement perhaps unfairly labeling those actions those of all of BLM unfairly as well, to have that warp these movements when these actions of a few individuals are being depicted as speaking for most individuals in those movements when they don't.

There are those outside these movements that want to exploit this too, and will try to amplify these mischaracterizations of these movements to try and shut them down. I have a feeling that those you say are making "conspiracy theories" about BLM aren't really making them about BLM, but about these outside forces. Whether they are right wing, or some individuals that are trying to make Bernie look bad in the nomination race for whatever other reason, putting that on BLM movement itself is unfair. But that is just as bad as trying to label Bernie supporters in general doing this kind of work too.

If you are trying to push this on to Bernie supporters in general, then you are no better than those you accuse as Bernie supporters of trying to blame the BLM movement in general for these problems.

[msanthrope]

18. the founders of blm were among the protesters.

so b if you're critiquing the protesters and what you really are doing is critiquing the movement itself. and that is exactly how it plays.

I will be wearing Bernie Sanders credentials on election day if he's the nominee. I would never lump allerni supporters together. in fact the point that I and other sane posters on this website have been trying to make to Bernie supporters is that we'd rather hear from the actual supporters who aren't trying to stir the racial pot.

[cascadiance]

19. Occupy was very careful trying not to annoint specific individuals as "the leaders"

... of that movement.

I have a feeling that many POC out there like the idea of a populist like Bernie taking on the existing status quo and changing it to bring more equality to all of us and bring masses more power over the increasingly authoritarian corporate class. Do these "leaders" speak for them all? Did all of those supporting a movement to take back civil rights for POC support these actions? I think that's a difficult conclusion to firmly make.

I'd like to think most of us who support Bernie and those who support BLM can be aligned rather than split the way some people want to depict them as being.

[winter is coming]

20. I've seen a lot of seriously bullshit "all or nothing" thinking lately.

It's possible to be part of movement while disagreeing with some of your leader's actions. It's possible to support a movement without believing that everything that movement does is a good idea. It's even possible to support the goals of a movement without being a formal part of that movement.

Anyone trying to peddle the idea that questioning the tactics employed by some BLM protesters at Netroots Nation is equivalent to disparaging the BLM movement as a whole or the idea that minority lives matter is either seriously logic-impaired or working an agenda.

[msanthrope]

22. And Occupy is where, now? You have a feeling? How about actually listening

To the people of color on Democratic Underground express their views?

[artislife]

24. True

It is a shame, because not everyone who supports Bernie reacted the same way. I don't think anyone who was wounded by the remarks are going to forget. There really is no way to unring the bell.



I wouldn't forget or forgive.

I can't unring the bell of 2008. I still remember her and her cronies reaching in the barrel...

So our group should own the fact that as a whole, we really hurt real people and maybe his campaign. But the order of importance is how I wrote it.

I wish you were wrong, but you aren't.

[msanthrope]

25. the vast majority of Bernie supporters acted appropriately.

wht you saw here on this site what's 3 or 4 posters can do if they are allowed to run amok.

[YOHABLO]

10. Todd is out of his league with Bernie. Such a rookie ''journalist''.

[bvf]

12. Cute little beard, though.

Doesn't he deserve points for being so telegenic?

[valerief]

11. That's how you do it. You don't let their weasel words slip by. Bravo, senator. nt

[madokie]

13. He took no shit from chuckie

I love it. Bernie is the real deal and will be our next President. This clearly shows what kind of a President he will be too. He will not put up with bullshit and shut fukiechukie down and did it with a forceful tone in his voice.

Bernie was ready for toad thats for sure. LOL

[PBass]

14. Chuck Todd is an idiot. Get him off my television!!! (NT)

[BeanMusical]

15. Awesome! Kick and R

[moobu2]

21. No specifics as usual

[djean111]

26. There is a link. n/t

[moobu2]

27. I was talking about how Bernie Sanders talks in general terms

and he never has any specifics.

[sabrina 1]

23. He wiped the floor with old Todd. Doesn't he get tired of Bernie

using him to teach people what a journalist is NOT?

It was a thing of beauty. Todd just handle an honest politician.

[BooScout]

28. Self promote much?