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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:17 AM Jul 2015

"NetRoots Nation Confrontation Wasn't About #BlackLivesMatter At All"

NetRoots Nation Confrontation Wasn't About #BlackLivesMatter At All
by Bruce A. Dixon, managing editor

Black Agenda Report
News, information and analysis from the black left.

07/23/2015



NetRoots bills itself as “the largest gathering of the progressive movement” in this country. Unless you think the Democratic party IS the progressive movement, or that all “progressives” are Democrats, this is nonsense. I know, I've been to NetRoots.

What it actually is, is the largest gathering of paid and wannabe paid Democratic party activists, Democratic candidates and Democratic campaign managers, of consultants and vendors to Democratic campaigns, and folks of all kinds who are part of the far-flung partisan and ostensibly “non-partisan” machinery that gears up every even numbered year to elect Democrats to local, state and national office. Some of them want to change the Democratic party from within, some of them want to take it as it is, but they're all committed to staying inside the Democratic tent, and to keeping you there as well.

If you're a black Democratic party activist like I was for 25 years, even if like me, you never called yourself that, you go to NetRoots to connect with other Democratic party activists, and hopefully, with the people who will be handing out grassroots money, among other things, to get out the Big Black Vote in November, without which Democrats on every level have no hope of winning.

High ranking Democrats who hand out money, whether through partisan campaigns or to ostensibly nonpartisan and/or nonprofit organizations are always on the lookout for new activist blood with catchy new hooks, for activists who'll say the things they will not say in the effort to turn out the black masses for that Big Black Vote. So if you're a black activist at NetRoots you really NEED to stand out, to get noticed by the people who can give you fellowships, grants, jobs, funding of all kinds, and a career....

read more~
http://www.blackagendareport.com/netroots-nation-confrontation


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"NetRoots Nation Confrontation Wasn't About #BlackLivesMatter At All" (Original Post) RiverLover Jul 2015 OP
Oh, please! The BAR? bravenak Jul 2015 #1
Reaching....for something here. RiverLover Jul 2015 #3
Here: bravenak Jul 2015 #8
I didn't write it. A black activist did. RiverLover Jul 2015 #9
From the BAR. bravenak Jul 2015 #13
What is it about the BAR that you feel is a problem with what they report? nt Zorra Jul 2015 #20
I'm with brave JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #77
Thank you. I sincerely appreciate your direct answer. Zorra Jul 2015 #93
Funny the BAR should be making the BLM protest ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #14
Without knowing the anti white JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #78
Isn't that the what Ford and the BAR is known for? AOR Jul 2015 #123
question spqr78 Jul 2015 #127
Because I see progressives .... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #134
Huh? spqr78 Jul 2015 #173
I cannot be more clear ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #191
Yep. The BAR is all about attention. bravenak Jul 2015 #149
What are some good sources to read, please? historylovr Jul 2015 #179
I like alot of sources. bravenak Jul 2015 #180
Thanks! Much appreciated. historylovr Jul 2015 #182
You're welcome, enjoy!nt bravenak Jul 2015 #183
omg.... BooScout Jul 2015 #2
This was written by a black leftie with an insiders view. RiverLover Jul 2015 #4
by all means continue... BooScout Jul 2015 #6
Don't worry BAR IS tweeted all over the place... AOR Jul 2015 #120
Who reads the BAR? bravenak Jul 2015 #150
Opinions vary... AOR Jul 2015 #159
BAR is a joke with black folks. bravenak Jul 2015 #160
We should call it: bravenak Jul 2015 #161
Your choice to engage or not... AOR Jul 2015 #165
You should learn to have fun joking with me even if we disagree. bravenak Jul 2015 #166
Some humor and sarcasm is good bravenak... AOR Jul 2015 #175
So because one black leftie says it, Dr Hobbitstein Jul 2015 #10
Is that written anywhere? RiverLover Jul 2015 #11
See my post #14 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #15
+ 1 and I'm interested in the answer JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #83
So am I ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #87
Today was the first I've heard of BAR. I found this author's insider view on the NRN fiasco RiverLover Jul 2015 #114
So you have no response to explaining the difference ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #131
How about the fact that what #BLM did was LOVED by conservatives, when they ambushed Leftwing RiverLover Jul 2015 #138
This analysis you quote is absurd. It is all conjecture and imagination. kwassa Jul 2015 #158
Everything is a Conspiracy. bravenak Jul 2015 #162
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." kwassa Jul 2015 #168
I agree. bravenak Jul 2015 #170
+1 ... And the data shows, conservatives love Bernie ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #187
That doesn't answer my question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #186
You won't get a straight answer Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #190
LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #192
! Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #198
Yes ... She did ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #202
Why, no... Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #209
+100 zappaman Jul 2015 #140
Leftie? Really? MineralMan Jul 2015 #71
I refer to myself as a "leftie", now acc to you I put myself down with that? RiverLover Jul 2015 #72
Poor choice of words, then. MineralMan Jul 2015 #73
I can't find where the three women who started it JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #82
"ridiculous spectacle" Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #94
[**sigh**] Petrushka Jul 2015 #5
Look at what just happened with BLM and DFA. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #7
You make some very good points, but in general, I agree with this commenter at Common Dreams~ RiverLover Jul 2015 #12
Keep it up... Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #16
Netroots Nation was the construct of the DLC, started by Kos of DK who threw anyone sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #17
Thanks for the background info, I was one of those gullible people who thought NRN was the real deal RiverLover Jul 2015 #22
Anything that happens there is best taken with a huge grain of salt sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #25
Is there ANYTHING that is NOT the product of some ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #86
Yes BainsBane Jul 2015 #90
Lol! zappaman Jul 2015 #141
I saw this last night and got so cracked up ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #194
If you think of it as a political set-piece the whole thing makes more sense. pa28 Jul 2015 #18
Heh. Gosh, who knew? Zorra Jul 2015 #19
Bruce Dixon / Glen Ford and BAR... SidDithers Jul 2015 #21
Please tell us, what exactly is your problem with the BAR? nt Zorra Jul 2015 #23
LOL... SidDithers Jul 2015 #24
Can't answer the question, Sid? nt Zorra Jul 2015 #26
Tell us again your opinion of black protestors, Zorra... SidDithers Jul 2015 #28
Can't answer the question, Sid? nt Zorra Jul 2015 #30
Can, just not interested in answering it for you... SidDithers Jul 2015 #31
It should be easy; how long can it take? nt Zorra Jul 2015 #36
What is it that you don't understand, Zorra?... SidDithers Jul 2015 #39
That's deceitful, Sid. I did not call the actions of BLM protestors that. Zorra Jul 2015 #62
The fact that you used the term at all...at any anyone....is offensive. msanthrope Jul 2015 #91
Exactly, msanthrope, and she still doesn't get that. Cha Jul 2015 #171
And likely never will. zappaman Jul 2015 #174
Time flies. OilemFirchen Jul 2015 #128
Hate to break it to you ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #196
Zorra did NOT say that, btw, I never saw you participate in anything sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #68
Didn't say what? Certainly you are not denying the "race-nagging" comment! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #197
Why are wasting time with the person who coined "race nagging"? zappaman Jul 2015 #142
I got sucked in, and couldn't get out... SidDithers Jul 2015 #146
Exactly right Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #38
"You can't un-ring that bell."... SidDithers Jul 2015 #41
That bell, plus the claim BLM is a Koch conspiracy BainsBane Jul 2015 #92
This thread gets better and better! zappaman Jul 2015 #143
SheShe Killed Bernie!!!!!! bravenak Jul 2015 #152
It was foretold in the movie lovemydog Jul 2015 #178
LOL. But only in the Alex Jones cut. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #199
Indeed. lovemydog Jul 2015 #203
Uh-huh. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #42
In the past three days I have seen African Americans referred to as race naggers... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #40
Seriously, you can't make this shit up...nt SidDithers Jul 2015 #44
And in both instances those were targeted were targeted... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #47
And the back-pedaling when called on it ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #88
That's some campaign strategy they have.. ugly personal, bigoted insults to those not with them. Cha Jul 2015 #172
Wait, that's not how you win people over to your candidate? zappaman Jul 2015 #176
That's how you drive People Away from you candidate.. I've seen it happen more than a few times. Cha Jul 2015 #177
Can you answer it for me, then? I never heard of BAR until today, so I have nothing to go on n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #108
1StrongBlackMan said it well up thread... SidDithers Jul 2015 #109
Thank you. Is it honest disagreement, or is it disingenuous disagreement for its own sake? arcane1 Jul 2015 #112
You'll have to form your own opinion of that... SidDithers Jul 2015 #113
Thanks again! n/t arcane1 Jul 2015 #115
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #201
Funny ... No one has EVER heard of BAR ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #200
I didn't post anything from them. You are confusing me with someone else. arcane1 Jul 2015 #210
Oh my bad ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #211
Likely not even then. It appeared to offer a different perspective, but didn't support it w/anything arcane1 Jul 2015 #212
Okay ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #213
Indeed, I can see how some would think that it's effective in that way. arcane1 Jul 2015 #214
But then ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #215
And what do you know about the history of this organization. Just fyi we Dems here sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #27
Do your own research... SidDithers Jul 2015 #29
Perfect. Squirrel, smear, don't post a direct answer. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #32
Tell us again about "race nagging", Zorra... SidDithers Jul 2015 #34
Oh, and btw, I self deleted the comment at the request of an AA DU member. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #37
I don't really care why you self-deleted it... SidDithers Jul 2015 #46
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #100
And after it proliferated over Twitter ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #89
Jury results Blue_Adept Jul 2015 #63
So you know nothing about the topic. The author as I said, is being kind. Thanks, sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #33
Oh, I know plenty about BAR... SidDithers Jul 2015 #35
You know nothing about the topic, that is clear, distractions from the topic sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #43
Uh-huh... SidDithers Jul 2015 #45
I will be writing about the history of that organization at some later date sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #49
Can't wait! zappaman Jul 2015 #144
So Hillary was smart to stay away and Bernie should have known better? bettyellen Jul 2015 #50
Do you mind pointing to a comment of mine that SAID ANYTHING even sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #53
Why didn't anyone warn Bernie to stay away from Netroots bettyellen Jul 2015 #58
If I had that kind of influence, I definitely would have told him that sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author Vattel Jul 2015 #181
Alright, if you won't tell Zorra, how about you tell me? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #111
They are just contrarians who go against whtever black folk are FOR. bravenak Jul 2015 #154
So it's that they're "not mainstream"? Scootaloo Jul 2015 #155
Worse than that. bravenak Jul 2015 #157
Huh Scootaloo Jul 2015 #163
Lol! bravenak Jul 2015 #164
How come no one answers this question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #207
But but.... You don't "give a shit anymore" because you're tired of "race naggin" bettyellen Jul 2015 #48
BLM is an incredible movement. What surprises me is how little attention sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #52
I agree and am disgusted by so many here trying to discredit them for making noise. bettyellen Jul 2015 #60
This DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #69
Well, DU sure needed to hear the noise, because until they made that noise sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #70
I think it will end up being a gift to Sanders considering he's moving into some very diverse areas bettyellen Jul 2015 #102
You mean like this, said by Bernie the DAY BEFORE he was ambushed by #BLM at NRN? RiverLover Jul 2015 #116
Who said they want a world where" young black men walk down the street bettyellen Jul 2015 #121
Bernie said that he didn't want that, and then was PROTESTED by the people he was defending. RiverLover Jul 2015 #122
They were protesting every candidate that showed up- including O Malley bettyellen Jul 2015 #124
Geesh, I know, I was responding to YOU saying the maybe because of NRN, Bernie would better address RiverLover Jul 2015 #126
Yet Bernie still did his dumbass pivot to economics when confronted by BLM.... bettyellen Jul 2015 #139
And, guess what? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #204
Yep. The ill informed sanctification and demonization bettyellen Jul 2015 #205
! bravenak Jul 2015 #151
Yep. That about sums it up! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #195
It seems to me that you've amply demonstrated that you are postively tone deaf. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #51
What exactly do you mean by this? All that's clear is you're putting me down. RiverLover Jul 2015 #56
Yes indeed. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #57
Well its good to know there's no explanation for your putdown. RiverLover Jul 2015 #61
The thing is, it's been explained. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #64
You said I was tone deaf. The fact that you are pushing for Hillary here is all that I'm getting. RiverLover Jul 2015 #67
You assume. And you know what that does. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #76
ok RiverLover Jul 2015 #80
That explains why the perpetrators attacked Sanders and omalley instead of conservatives Doctor_J Jul 2015 #54
AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service jeff47 Jul 2015 #84
"Bernie fans always get a hide from me" m-lekktor Jul 2015 #98
A major fault in the jury system AtomicKitten Jul 2015 #103
I am doing the same. m-lekktor Jul 2015 #106
surprised? Doctor_J Jul 2015 #104
I am surprised the person would admit it in a comment! m-lekktor Jul 2015 #107
That is why I stopped donating to this site Oilwellian Jul 2015 #145
Nice that it's coming out at last. sibelian Aug 2015 #221
like i keep saying, i don't even use the alert button. m-lekktor Aug 2015 #222
I'm VERY happy to alert on disruptive behaviour. sibelian Aug 2015 #223
oh i can agree with that sentiment. m-lekktor Aug 2015 #224
Yeah, that would just be stupid. sibelian Aug 2015 #225
So Juror 1 would seem a prime example Puglover Jul 2015 #184
To be honest. Disrupting the conservatives would only effect about 40 or 50 people. Glassunion Aug 2015 #218
Sick if this shit. nc4bo Jul 2015 #55
Awesome picture! RiverLover Jul 2015 #59
This message was self-deleted by its author Bobbie Jo Jul 2015 #65
Keep insulting BLM here. Just please don't tie it to any candidate- as none agree with you. bettyellen Jul 2015 #66
I am a supporter of #BLM, bettyellen, but I didn't understand why they would protest their own. RiverLover Jul 2015 #75
Because their own are the only ones who might, maybe, we hope, actually act for change LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #79
Were you for BLM when it ACTUALLY started? JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #81
I was living in Asheville NC at the time & I went to a protest there with my neighbor, who RiverLover Jul 2015 #85
It won't happen overnight JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #101
I hope there is a 3rd Civil Rights Movement. We need it. RiverLover Jul 2015 #118
Look to JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #137
sounds like you have the kind of nuanced, complicated, non-dogmatic reaction uhnope Jul 2015 #96
That's how you see it. Because you believe you're thinking is nuanced. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #97
well I never said that and I don't believe that uhnope Jul 2015 #99
That pretty much sums up my take on it perfectly. RiverLover Jul 2015 #119
Try to understand what is actually being said ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #206
Please respond to post #15, 83 and 87. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #95
+1 lovemydog Jul 2015 #133
+1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #185
Haha, same here. lovemydog Jul 2015 #189
Ronda busts all types of stereotypes. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #193
Pay no attention to those with an agenda to silence actual leftist views... AOR Jul 2015 #105
"BAR is well respected all over the net by those who want real leftist analysis"... SidDithers Jul 2015 #110
Yawn n/t AOR Jul 2015 #117
... SidDithers Jul 2015 #132
Gee whiz SidDithers... AOR Jul 2015 #135
You again? zappaman Jul 2015 #147
A pleasure to be in such distinguised company zappaman... AOR Jul 2015 #156
Yes, I think we shall meet again! zappaman Jul 2015 #169
Yes, it is, Larry. zappaman Jul 2015 #217
Would you care to answer the question at hand? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #148
What's your question 1StrongBlackMan... AOR Jul 2015 #153
It's a pretty simple question ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #188
I think there is major disconnection... AOR Jul 2015 #216
And then... OilemFirchen Jul 2015 #129
Ain't that some crazy shit... SidDithers Jul 2015 #130
It is what it is... AOR Jul 2015 #136
But he/she just negated to say ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2015 #208
1) I do like Black Agenda Report and respect them Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #125
Thanks for link. Never heard 840high Jul 2015 #167
So... Netroots is a job fair? apnu Aug 2015 #219
Throw stink bombs! AgingAmerican Aug 2015 #220

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
3. Reaching....for something here.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:47 AM
Jul 2015

Its also on leftie "Common Dreams", which is how I found it.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/07/24/netroots-nation-confrontation-wasnt-about-blacklivesmatter-all

And what does this have to do with trying to help Bernie? I just found it interesting because what they did, seemingly nonsensical, finally made sense.

JustAnotherGen

(31,839 posts)
77. I'm with brave
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jul 2015

Dig deep - its kind of prejudiced against white folks. Not anything I want anything to do with. So it's not posted by AFAms here because those of us who post frequently - aren't bigots against white folks. Not acceptable to post from BAR in the AfAm group. Brave and I are both hosts there - and I would be inclined to lock an op that started with it.

GD though - I think is much more fluid.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
93. Thank you. I sincerely appreciate your direct answer.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jul 2015

I find BAR does not always say what I'd like to hear, but they have interesting points of view on things that cause me to further question what I believe from the establishment MSM.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
14. Funny the BAR should be making the BLM protest ...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:10 AM
Jul 2015

was a "look at me" moment ...

Isn't that the what Ford and the BAR is known for?

I would suggest that, but for, their constant contrarian drum-beat to everything mainstream Black being noticed by white "progressives", the BAR would measure its unique viewership in the 10s, and its repeat viewership in the low hundreds.

Just pick an issue where there is polled and/or published consistency of mainstream Black opinion, you will find the BAR arguing against that opinion ... and you will find white "progressives" AND conservatives citing them as a "See ... Here's a Black guy that agrees with me" foil.

JustAnotherGen

(31,839 posts)
78. Without knowing the anti white
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:50 PM
Jul 2015

Dog whistles the BAR throws around. They fall for it hook, line and sinker.

Hey - if naive white folks want to give people who dislike them clicks - more power to BAR.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
123. Isn't that the what Ford and the BAR is known for?
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:26 PM
Jul 2015

No and apparently many who are criticizing BAR have not really read much BAR. Tons of articles there in support of Black Lives Matter and unrelenting critique of not only Capitalism but institutionalized racism, the white supremacist foundations on which the United States rests, and Imperialism. If you mean BAR argues against Capitalist social relations as the only way forward then you are correct.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
191. I cannot be more clear ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 11:43 AM
Jul 2015

I see folks posting as "progressives", stuff that I don't believe fits any definition of progressive ... regardless of their claims that they would have marched with Martin and their, selective, mis-quoting of Malcolm.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
149. Yep. The BAR is all about attention.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jul 2015

If they ain't hating on white folks they hating on black folks. I think they just try to be extreme for attention.

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
179. What are some good sources to read, please?
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:51 AM
Jul 2015

I've perused BAR from time to time, as I have Indian Country Today, to get a different look at the news, so I'd be interested if there's something better out there on the 'net.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
180. I like alot of sources.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:02 AM
Jul 2015

The Root. The Grio. News One. Even BET.
For feminist views I like RH Reality Check.
Chauncy DeVega. I like The Field Negro, he's on point.
Check them out, try to read them often and see if they make the same points as I have.
And make sure to check out Black Guy Who Tips and Ta Nehisi Coates (he's too smart for me sometimes, lol, a super acedemic type, cerebral).
Maybe add them to your regular reading to get the black pov on things. I think it will help Bernie if his supporters are up on game.

historylovr

(1,557 posts)
182. Thanks! Much appreciated.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:10 AM
Jul 2015

I will check them out, yes. I've caught Coates in interviews he's done. Very smart guy.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
4. This was written by a black leftie with an insiders view.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:49 AM
Jul 2015

I'm not trying to influence anyone's position on a candidate. I posted it because it finally made their ridiculous spectacle make some kind of sense.

I think its fascinating.

BooScout

(10,406 posts)
6. by all means continue...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 08:11 AM
Jul 2015

You should even get out there and tweet this all over the place to really get the message out there!

 

AOR

(692 posts)
120. Don't worry BAR IS tweeted all over the place...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:13 PM
Jul 2015

and with great acceptance by many who stand on the actual left. The supposed "left" that have a problem with BAR view all analysis through the lens of Capitalism and the Democratic Party. If the current policies of the Democratic Party can't stand up to critique then there is a major problem with the party. Many of the Right Wing also hate BAR because it exposes white supremacy and Capitalism for what it is.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
150. Who reads the BAR?
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:29 PM
Jul 2015

White progressives and the small few blacks who hate Obama. Black folks mostly love Obama, so those who are politically aware, hate the BAR.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
159. Opinions vary...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:55 PM
Jul 2015

a lot of the BAR writers work is posted elsewhere also bravenak and many more people than you realize read it. Nobody says you have to buy into it but some people might like to hear what they have to say from the leftist perspective. I'm sure you have your reasons... some don't agree. The way things are going in this country all views from the left challenging the power structure should be heard whether some agree or not. Cheers

 

AOR

(692 posts)
165. Your choice to engage or not...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jul 2015

it seems you're more interested in attacking than anything of substance in any exchanges you've had with me. You can take the vindictive emotion to someone else. Not interested. You want to have a conversation lets have one. I'm interested in analysis of the problems that working people and the poor and struggling on the ground face daily. That goes for all people struggling on the ground daily. It certainly doesn't exclude those of any race or creed. Cheers

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
166. You should learn to have fun joking with me even if we disagree.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 10:06 PM
Jul 2015

I am literally the funnest person here. Try it. You'll love it.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
175. Some humor and sarcasm is good bravenak...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 10:44 PM
Jul 2015

it breaks the tension. As far as the rest goes. I don't dislike or like Barack Obama on a personal level.I don't know Barack Obama. I don't like the policies and the political views of Barack Obama. Same for Clinton and the same for the rest who defend Capitalism as the only possible way to go forward but it's not personal. Thanks for lightening up a bit on the discussion. If I'm able to stick around I'm sure there are many things we both are fighting against and have common ground on. I certainly don't disagree with anything you're saying on the plight of the AA community and what's going on. We just disagree on the foundational causes and maybe tactics to solve the problems. And I am listening believe me. Three Cheers.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
15. See my post #14 ...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:23 AM
Jul 2015
Just pick an issue where there is polled and/or published consistency of mainstream Black opinion, you will find the BAR arguing against that opinion ... and you will find white "progressives" AND conservatives citing them as a "See ... Here's a Black guy that agrees with me" foil.


There is a lot of that going on on DU these days ... Could that be that people (white people) are noticing (what Black people have been saying) that Bernie is not connecting with the Black community ... and Democrats need the Black community to win the General Election?

I've asked this question before ... and besides a bunch of "OMG, how could you say that?"/Why are you trying to silence him?"/and incredibly, "That's RACIST!!!!" responses, no one has answered ... How is this OP, any different from conservatives trotting out Thomas Sowell's or EJ Jackson's or Allen West's arguments that "Black folks are culturally dysfunctional" as cover to argue that "Black folks are culturally dysfunctional"?

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
114. Today was the first I've heard of BAR. I found this author's insider view on the NRN fiasco
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:55 PM
Jul 2015

interesting & insightful.

That's all I can speak to.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
131. So you have no response to explaining the difference ...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:23 PM
Jul 2015

Between what you are doing and what conservatives do?

Tell me that the fact that the fact that the author of the OP is Black did not play into why you selected that OP.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
138. How about the fact that what #BLM did was LOVED by conservatives, when they ambushed Leftwing
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 08:40 PM
Jul 2015

Bernie Sanders.

That was not cool.

And so this echoes my feelings on it exactly....reposting...

I think their members care a lot but the temptation for an easy photo moment on stage at whatever cost to the most progressive candidate in the race was opportunistic by the leadership and reckless as well as inconsiderate towards someone who has long supported civil rights.

Does it matter what someone does in their life or is it all about a show for the cameras? I think the leadership who set up this incident wanted publicity at any cost and they took the easiest way to get some by targeting a supporter.

Nobody got arrested or anything else, a safe and easy one this time! What was their goal to keep it up until they drove Bernie (old white guy?) from the stage? Made everybody wonder what was really going on. Now we read of FBI surveillance. It is almost a guarantee that undercovers are infiltrators.

While there is no proof as yet of agent provocateurs ala Cointelpro... the pattern and modus operandi sure looks like more than simple coincidence. Certainly the end result looks conveniently like exactly the kind of negative press moments attempted back in the Sixties about progressive advocates.

Guess it was just a coincidence (?) but the rightwingnuts are all laughing because only the civil rights supporter took the hit.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/07/24/netroots-nation-confrontation-wasnt-about-blacklivesmatter-all


#BLM played right into RWrs hands.....and that isn't just republicans. I mean all conservatives.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
158. This analysis you quote is absurd. It is all conjecture and imagination.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:52 PM
Jul 2015

and here is where it jumps the shark:

Made everybody wonder what was really going on. Now we read of FBI surveillance. It is almost a guarantee that undercovers are infiltrators.

While there is no proof as yet of agent provocateurs ala Cointelpro... the pattern and modus operandi sure looks like more than simple coincidence. Certainly the end result looks conveniently like exactly the kind of negative press moments attempted back in the Sixties about progressive advocates.


There is not a fact with evidence to support it anywhere in this grand conclusion. It is all just made up.

and BLM being loved by conservatives is meaningless. Truly meaningless.
 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
162. Everything is a Conspiracy.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:59 PM
Jul 2015

I'm a Lee Atwater Plant. Is he still alive? Well, Karl Rove's in it too, and Hillary, the Fbi, etc.

kwassa

(23,340 posts)
168. "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 10:15 PM
Jul 2015

also known as Hanlon's Razor. I think it applies here.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
187. +1 ... And the data shows, conservatives love Bernie ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 11:22 AM
Jul 2015
Sanders 22% overall support
26% identifying at very liberal
19% identifying as liberal
16% identifying as moderate
31% identifying as somewhat conservative
42% identifying as very conservative


 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
186. That doesn't answer my question ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 11:18 AM
Jul 2015

I put it more simply ... would you have posted this article if it weren't a Back commentator writing it?

Be honest, now ...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
192. LOL ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 11:53 AM
Jul 2015

Don't you just hate when you spend all day getting dressed up ... only to have everyone know the color of you under-roos because your butt is hanging out?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
202. Yes ... She did ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jul 2015

BTW ... Has anyone been able to explain the difference of when conservatives trot out Thomas Sowell or EJ Jackson for "see negroes think/say it, too" cover?

MineralMan

(146,324 posts)
71. Leftie? Really?
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:21 PM
Jul 2015

The only people I see using that word are Republicans. Maybe you could choose a different word? I think that would make a lot of sense, really.

"Leftie" is an insult, not a description.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
72. I refer to myself as a "leftie", now acc to you I put myself down with that?
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:27 PM
Jul 2015

You guys are cracking.me.up.

I also refer to myself as a "liberal" & an "environmentalist", also derogatories to RWs. Do I need to stop that as well?

JustAnotherGen

(31,839 posts)
82. I can't find where the three women who started it
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:59 PM
Jul 2015

Included him in the decision to:
1. Start BLM

And

2. Support the protest at NRN

Petrushka

(3,709 posts)
5. [**sigh**]
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:56 AM
Jul 2015
"...you really NEED to stand out, to get noticed by the people who can give you fellowships, grants, jobs, funding of all kinds, and a career...."



 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
7. Look at what just happened with BLM and DFA.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 08:15 AM
Jul 2015

Look what happened with the discussion after the event. And yes, this article thinks they have found something by this group networking. Of course that is a part of it. They would be foolish not too. Just as the desperation to write off their reasons for being there as simply this or that, as if the intentions were not above board.

The treatment and words used when talking about BLM should be a wake up call for all democrats after the NRN event. True attempts to marginaliz a group that has had a foot on their neck in this country for centuries. A group who has been pandered to and ignored time after time again. A group who is so desperate for help that they are damn near begging whoever will listen. Think about that imagery for a minute. The fact that is where we are and how they have been treated says everything on its own. Activist will be gathering with likeminded activists.

When these groups of Sanders supporters get together on the 29th campaign contributions will be asked for. They will search for new blood to be brought into the fold. Stories will be written about the grassroots movement to make it stand out. It's not sinister. It's networking.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
12. You make some very good points, but in general, I agree with this commenter at Common Dreams~
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 08:57 AM
Jul 2015
I think their members care a lot but the temptation for an easy photo moment on stage at whatever cost to the most progressive candidate in the race was opportunistic by the leadership and reckless as well as inconsiderate towards someone who has long supported civil rights.

Does it matter what someone does in their life or is it all about a show for the cameras? I think the leadership who set up this incident wanted publicity at any cost and they took the easiest way to get some by targeting a supporter.

Nobody got arrested or anything else, a safe and easy one this time! What was their goal to keep it up until they drove Bernie (old white guy?) from the stage? Made everybody wonder what was really going on. Now we read of FBI surveillance. It is almost a guarantee that undercovers are infiltrators.

While there is no proof as yet of agent provocateurs ala Cointelpro... the pattern and modus operandi sure looks like more than simple coincidence. Certainly the end result looks conveniently like exactly the kind of negative press moments attempted back in the Sixties about progressive advocates.

Guess it was just a coincidence (?) but the rightwingnuts are all laughing because only the civil rights supporter took the hit.

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2015/07/24/netroots-nation-confrontation-wasnt-about-blacklivesmatter-all

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
17. Netroots Nation was the construct of the DLC, started by Kos of DK who threw anyone
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 10:32 AM
Jul 2015

who questioned his motives for starting that blog off the blog, and there ARE many questions, some answered by an AA lawyer who was thrown off that blog, still to be answered.

I have said this before and will repeat, it is a SCAM, changing its name from when it first started, claiming to be for ordinary people when in fact it is nothing more than a Convention for Wanna-be political operatives.

There has been a lot of controversy through the years, funny how no one who seems to have suddenly taken an interest in this phony 'liberal' convention, knows a THING about its history, and the controversies that have surrounded it, ESPECIALLY regarding Minorities.

This author is correct, it is NOT what it is touted to be.

I am not going to spend time here in this comment going into why it is so sad to see people HERE using it to go after Bernie Sanders, but for the thousands of us who were members of DK when Kos started NRN, I just watch and feel sad, because NRN like those who started it, are dedicated to keeping the DLC wing of the party in control, and blocking Progressives.

I'm glad this author is making an attempt to WARN people about this phony 'liberal' operation, I hope more come forward and tell of their own experiences with it, it isn't pretty, especially for AAs. Sad to watch this, frankly, but since NRN has little credibility with rank and File Dems and with the Minorities who tried to be a part of it, which was a huge controversy a few years ago, I can only say, like all the other times when Progressives were roped in to something like this, it will become apparent to people who do a little research, just what a scam it all it is.

When I see any talk of NRN, I think of Elizabeth Warren's statement, 'the game is rigged', yes it is, and NRN is part of that rigging.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
22. Thanks for the background info, I was one of those gullible people who thought NRN was the real deal
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:21 AM
Jul 2015

Deeply disappointing. Everything about this.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
25. Anything that happens there is best taken with a huge grain of salt
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jul 2015

I think politicians, who flocked there in the beginning, are learning that it is best avoided. Don't know how many politicians were there this time, I have little interest in it so don't follow it, but over the years, many shouting matches have occurred with politicians staying away the following year. Nothing new about this.

I should do some research on the non-inclusion of AAs eg, on committees etc and the eruption of controversy over it that went on for months across minority blogs with NRN stubbornly refusing to acknowledge the exclusion, until it became embarrassing enough that they 'invited' a few AAs to try to calm the waters. One of those invited was a wonderful AA blogger I had followed for a long time. He went, with 'trepidation' as he said and promised t give a fair report when he returned. He did, it was polite, but not very complimentary and as he said, there was not there to make it worthwhile for AAs to spend the money going. As issues affecting the minority communities were not much of a priority there.

He thanked them and never went again.

When you consider that Kos had told women and minorities on his own blog, that they needed to be quiet about their 'PET ISSUES' and the 'PONIES' they wanted were not going to interfere with them (Dems) WINNING which caused a walkout of most of the women and the few minorities who were there, from his blog, it shouldn't surprise anyone that the ONLY interest this Org has in minorities is how to use issues for the benefit of their main goals.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
194. I saw this last night and got so cracked up ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jul 2015

I had to excuse myself from the card table ... because I couldn't concentrate on the play.

Thanks, a lot!

pa28

(6,145 posts)
18. If you think of it as a political set-piece the whole thing makes more sense.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:01 AM
Jul 2015

Useful discourse was the big loser but the incident was productive and useful for some.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
21. Bruce Dixon / Glen Ford and BAR...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:17 AM
Jul 2015

the go-to source when white people want to show what black folk are really thinking.



Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
31. Can, just not interested in answering it for you...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:50 AM
Jul 2015

or any surrogate who steps in for you.

You've shown your true colours with your "race nagging" comment.

Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
39. What is it that you don't understand, Zorra?...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:01 PM
Jul 2015

You called the actions of BLM protesters "race nagging".

Given that that's your opinion of BLM protesters, why should any fucking one at DU discuss any issues connected to race with you?



Sid

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
62. That's deceitful, Sid. I did not call the actions of BLM protestors that.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jul 2015

My comment was directed at an Original Post article.

I later explained how, if a group repeatedly over time insinuates that progressive Democrats are racist, and don't care about race issues, but does not clearly explain why they believe progressive Democrats are racist, and don't care about race issues, then they are not doing anything to help their cause, are helping to fragment the Democratic party.

I can't help it if people misunderstand and misconstrue what I say, deliberately or not deliberately. Below is exactly what I explained about the term I used. I did not receive any constructive input in response to my request for a clear explanation of what progressives need to do to help the AA community.

In this case, it is yelling at people who are not black, but who sincerely want to do everything

they can to help, but don't know what to do. Calling these people racists because you feel they are not helping you, but when they ask "What do you want me to do", they get no answer.

Getting threatened by "we're not going to vote for your candidate if you don't listen to me", and then listening, and listening, and listening, but not hearing anything specific about what how we can help.

Tell us to wrap ourselves in a flag on the courthouse steps and burn ourselves. Go out in the street and protest ask us to join you. Ask us to donate to the charity of your choice, just clearly let us know what you want us to do.

We're not elected officials. we don't have their power to elicit change. We try to nominate the candidates we feel will do the most to help, but they almost never get nominated. Instead vanilla corporate candidates get elected and do nothing to help. This is not the fault of Progressive Democrats, it is the fault of the people who elect the candidates who don't try to fix the problems.

When people say, "hey, what you are doing doesn't seem to be working for you, maybe try something different, try voting for the people who appear to be the ones who are most likely to help you, they get told "don't tell me how to vote".

It's like being a mouse in a maze, a catch 22, an unsolvable puzzle. And it makes me want to give up. I want to help, but obviously don't know how. I ask how can I help, but get no clear answer.

I understand African Americans are angry, You have every fucking reason to be. Non AA progressives are angry too, but people not directly by a problem can only understand and feel it to a fraction of what the oppressed people feel.

But we don't understand why African Americans are blaming us, yelling at us, threatening us, for being responsible for these conditions. Our candidates almost get nominated, so we vote for the same people you do, in the hope that at least some progress will be made.

We don't understand why you are not yelling at the republicans who are killing you and making your lives hard. We don't understand why you are not yelling at the corporatist Democrats who are not helping you. Instead, it seems you are misdirecting your anger at us.

This is causing me to want to just give up, I want to help, and try to help, and get yelled at and threatened for doing so. This makes me resigned to a fractured voting block, and a republican government. Which would be horrible for all of us.

So, please, please, if you wouldn't mind, tell me, right here and now, simply, and clearly, in plain simple language, exactly and specifically what you want non- African Americans to do to help the black community.

I work with people who can't help themselves, and who cannot speak. I do the best I can to to determine from their methods of communication what they need me to to do help them.

So please to tell me. Plain and simple.

I'm listening. But I'm really stupid. So I need you to please make it it clear, simple. and specific.

Thank you.

--------------------------------------------
Again, I cannot help it if people misconstrue, or misunderstand, deliberately or not deliberately, the meaning of what I say. Third Way type posters deliberately misconstruing facts and posts by progressive DUers is a fact of life on DU, and most everyone here knows it.

Your statement about me calling the actions of BLM protestors that is something I did not say, and this is just another clear example of certain posters deliberately misconstruing what DU progressives post.

Personal attacks, smear jobs, strawmen, never answering questions directly, those are tactics repeatedly employed by Third Way type posters here, who, not coincidentally, are also all Hillary Clinton supporters.

So there you have it, Sid.

Carry on.


 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
91. The fact that you used the term at all...at any anyone....is offensive.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jul 2015

Some terms are offensive no matter what context you use them in. this one was. I would stop writing screeds defending yourself and simply apologize.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
128. Time flies.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 06:56 PM
Jul 2015
"We're not going to vote for your candidate if you don't listen to me": the Puritopian motto.

Used to be all the rage here.
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
196. Hate to break it to you ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:09 PM
Jul 2015

no one has called progressives racist ...that is the voice in your head interpreting what you understand someone to have "implied."

But I will say, though, it seems, the more you talk, the closer you come..

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
68. Zorra did NOT say that, btw, I never saw you participate in anything
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:10 PM
Jul 2015

related to Ferguson? When did YOU discover BLM? Glad you finally have, although I have not seen much actual discussion of the movement from you.

It was sad to see so little interest here when it MATTERED to the point where people gave up trying to GET some interest in BLM after Ferguson. I'm going to go back to those threads because it was pretty heart breaking to see one of the best posters here on the subject decide he was wasting his time here trying to keep the movement alive. He has been working elsewhere as have most of us who realized that there was very little interest here in BLM.



However any kind of publicity for such an important movement is good, as I'm sure for some who did not know about it, it will cause them to become involved. Hopefully. Otoh, we've all witnessed this before, then after the election, it would be hard to find even a mention of something like this.

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
142. Why are wasting time with the person who coined "race nagging"?
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:05 PM
Jul 2015

Soooo clever!
And not racist at all!

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
38. Exactly right
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:59 AM
Jul 2015

I've seen enough.

What floors me is the level of comfort involved in posting it here.

You can't un-ring that bell.

BainsBane

(53,039 posts)
92. That bell, plus the claim BLM is a Koch conspiracy
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:27 PM
Jul 2015

Let's see, and the whole "meme" begun by a lone woman on DU at the behest of RW media. Before that Bernie had 98 % AA support, you know. Sheshe ruined everything for him all by her little lonesome.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
40. In the past three days I have seen African Americans referred to as race naggers...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jul 2015

In the past three days I have seen African Americans referred to as race naggers and gay men referred to as sissy boys at our once august site.


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
47. And in both instances those were targeted were targeted...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jul 2015

And in both instances those who were targeted were targeted for not being enthralled with a certain candidate.

Cha

(297,455 posts)
177. That's how you drive People Away from you candidate.. I've seen it happen more than a few times.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jul 2015
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
108. Can you answer it for me, then? I never heard of BAR until today, so I have nothing to go on n/t
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jul 2015

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
109. 1StrongBlackMan said it well up thread...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:39 PM
Jul 2015
Just pick an issue where there is polled and/or published consistency of mainstream Black opinion, you will find the BAR arguing against that opinion ... and you will find white "progressives" AND conservatives citing them as a "See ... Here's a Black guy that agrees with me" foil.


Bruce Dixon and Glen Ford are nothing more than contrarians. And they're repeatedly trotted out by white people trying to make a point that some black folk disagree with whatever the topic at hand is. Whether it's Obama, or, now, BLM, you can pretty much count on some poster giving us BAR to try to say 'See! These black people disagree with the prevailing black opinion, so the prevailing opinion isn't valid.'

When BAR gets posted, it's almost always the discussion board equivalent of "I have a black friend".

Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
113. You'll have to form your own opinion of that...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jul 2015

IMO, BAR engages in the latter. It's why BAR is not a welcome source in DU's AfAm group.

And too often, articles from BAR are used as a weapon, to minimize the concerns of DU (shrinking) black community.

It's a pattern that repeats over and over.

Sid

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
201. +1 ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:39 PM
Jul 2015

Yes, it is and always presented by the same DUers that make it a habit to tell Black DUers our interests. It gets really tiring!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
200. Funny ... No one has EVER heard of BAR ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jul 2015

until the post something from it ... as a foil to what (a majority of) Black are saying.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
210. I didn't post anything from them. You are confusing me with someone else.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:03 PM
Jul 2015

Forgive me for asking an honest question.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
211. Oh my bad ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 03:42 PM
Jul 2015

but tell me ... would the BAR article have any relevance; but for, it being written by a Black outlet?

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
212. Likely not even then. It appeared to offer a different perspective, but didn't support it w/anything
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:03 PM
Jul 2015

The "blackness" of the source didn't give it any additional credibility to me, any more than it would if it had come from Allen West

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
213. Okay ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:12 PM
Jul 2015
The "blackness" of the source didn't give it any additional credibility to me, any more than it would if it had come from Allen West

But my entire point is found in the bolded part. Those posting this divergent opinions are doing so BECAUSE they think it will provide credibility to their opinion BECAUSE it is coming from a Black voice ... Not unlike conservative usage of Sowell and Jackson.
 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
214. Indeed, I can see how some would think that it's effective in that way.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:22 PM
Jul 2015

In some cases, maybe it even is on occasion. But I try to let the words do the talking and take it from there.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
27. And what do you know about the history of this organization. Just fyi we Dems here
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:41 AM
Jul 2015

in the US are pretty savvy when it comes to sources, not sure why you seem to feel the need to 'inform' us about the subject.

We know a great deal also about organizations like NRN since many of us were there when they founded.

Now why don't you address the actual topic, because as someone who was there when NRN was founded I know this author is factual, in fact I would say, being KIND about it.

I'd love to hear what you know though.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
29. Do your own research...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:48 AM
Jul 2015

or read what 1SBM posted up thread.

I've got no interest in educating you on BAR. The DUers I respect already know what BAR is.

Sid

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
34. Tell us again about "race nagging", Zorra...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jul 2015

but don't self-delete it this time.

Leave it up for DUers to see how you really feel about #BlackLivesMatter.

Sid

Response to SidDithers (Reply #46)

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
63. Jury results
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:57 PM
Jul 2015

On Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:52 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Tell us again about "race nagging", Zorra...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=474148

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Poster is trolling and stalking another poster throughout this thread. No substance, pure ad hominem attack.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:56 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Blatant callout. Not acceptable.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Poster wants answers and there's nothing wrong with that. Don't hide behind self delete.

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
33. So you know nothing about the topic. The author as I said, is being kind. Thanks,
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 11:51 AM
Jul 2015

for the response, I don't need to do research as I was there along with thousands of other Democrats, but thanks for the advice.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
43. You know nothing about the topic, that is clear, distractions from the topic
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jul 2015

are useless in this case as so many Democrats are very familiar with the topic, because like me, they were there.

Again, thanks for the advice, but it contributes nothing to the fact that NRN is a construct of the DLC/THIRD WAY and is nothing more than a political operation designed to keep PRogressive Dems OUT of power. Always was, always will be which is why it is barely noticed as a worthwhile endeavor by most Democrats.

But then you shouldn't be expected to know this, so I am not going to BLAME you for that, just pointing out some facts.

The author as I said, is being kind, especially when it comes to how NRN has treated minorities in the past.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
49. I will be writing about the history of that organization at some later date
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:14 PM
Jul 2015

but its irrelevancy at this point, doesn't warrant spending the time right now. As I said, you know nothing about the subject so not sure why you are even interested in the thread.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
50. So Hillary was smart to stay away and Bernie should have known better?
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:14 PM
Jul 2015

and protesters are bad because they want to get their message out. Hee haw- you can't make this shit up.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
53. Do you mind pointing to a comment of mine that SAID ANYTHING even
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jul 2015

close to what you appear to be TRYING to attribute to me? Thanks in advance!

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
58. Why didn't anyone warn Bernie to stay away from Netroots
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:46 PM
Jul 2015

Sounds like the campaign needs your help, Sabrina!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
74. If I had that kind of influence, I definitely would have told him that
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:30 PM
Jul 2015

NRN was irrelevant and wouldn't increase his name recognition, which is his main hurdle at this point. Can't think of anyone I might meet on the street who ever heard of it.

He needs to focus on venues which will introduce him to people who do not know him, which he is doing to great effect, and it appears that the crowds coming out to see him are only increasing, which only proves my point.

Not to worry, I am helping the campaign and have had great success signing up people who no longer participated in the system, but who now feel it is worth their while. Bernie is an easy candidate to get support for, once you inform people about him but mostly about his record.

THAT's where I and hundreds of thousands of other volunteers are helping.

Response to bettyellen (Reply #58)

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
111. Alright, if you won't tell Zorra, how about you tell me?
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:42 PM
Jul 2015

I've never heard of "Black Agenda Report," could you tell me about it and why it's problematic?

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
154. They are just contrarians who go against whtever black folk are FOR.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:40 PM
Jul 2015

We like Obama, so they hate on him all the time. We like black lives matters so they critisize.
We call the BAR, white progressives 'black friend'.
Reminds me of Ayn Randian type of shit. Immature young black college students and 'progressive' white folks believe in it full force. Then the black students grow up, and only the white folks are left reading.

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
157. Worse than that.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:51 PM
Jul 2015

You won't see Ta Nehisi Coates quote that bullshit. They just regurgitate hateful shit. They are like Bill Cosby before w found out he's a rapist. Or Don Lemon. Bunch of SHANs. (Pm i'll tell you what that is).
They're like the black preacher that Fox brings on to prove black folks agree with them.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
207. How come no one answers this question ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:37 PM
Jul 2015
They're like the black preacher that Fox brings on to prove black folks agree with them.


How is searching the internet for BAR articles and other out of the main, Black commentators, any different?

And, the DUers that do it ... have demonstrated that; but for, the commentators' Blackness, they wouldn't give a sh!t about them, or their opinion.
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
48. But but.... You don't "give a shit anymore" because you're tired of "race naggin"
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jul 2015

Which is normally called protesting, just wow at the hatred directed to BLM here. It's disgusting.

Thank god Bernie is listening, even though many here seem to think he should ignore some particular issues.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
52. BLM is an incredible movement. What surprises me is how little attention
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jul 2015

it received from DU sadly, until now. Airc, one of the best DUers who posted on the subject of Ferguson, who was attempting to keep the issue of the protests ALIVE here, getting so little interest after the media left, something I was so afraid would happen, once again, on DU wrote a goodbye stating that he would stop writing about a subject where there was so little interest and go where his reports could do some goog. I asked him to stay, but understood his frustration and that there were other places to go to try to get something done to stop the murders of AA.

BLM made sure that the Ferguson Protests did not go away, but DU wasn't interested to the point where when Hillary made it clear she was unaware of the movement, her supporters rushed to defend her here. I suppose I could have 'used' the issue also, but found it appalling to see it politicized, to see the defenses of someone asking to be elected to the WH, and saw the backlash from the minority blogs I have followed for years. But refrained from posting all the negative attacks from minorities on Hillary.

So I'm glad in a way, that some DUers have discovered the movement, I hope that interest doesn't go away when the election is over. Because without the participation of ALL Americans, this decades long murderous attack on AA by the police will never end.

But I'm not very hopeful frankly. I've seen this before, during election periods.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
60. I agree and am disgusted by so many here trying to discredit them for making noise.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jul 2015

What the he'll do they expect them to do?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
70. Well, DU sure needed to hear the noise, because until they made that noise
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jul 2015

there wasn't much interest here, as I pointed out. And I hope the interest doesn't disappear after the election, which has happened before when it comes to issues like this.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
102. I think it will end up being a gift to Sanders considering he's moving into some very diverse areas
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:16 PM
Jul 2015

He has been making some small missteps because he is unpracticed at dealing with it without immediately pivoting to economics. I think he's learned there's a lot more than that to the issue, and will get better and better.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
116. You mean like this, said by Bernie the DAY BEFORE he was ambushed by #BLM at NRN?
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:05 PM
Jul 2015

Said PRIOR to the NRN ambush~



"...And like everybody in this room, I want to see an America, where when young black men walk down the street, they will not be harassed by Police Officers, they will not be killed, they will not be shot."
"To his credit, to his credit, to his credit, President Obama did something extraordinary the other day, he had the courage to go to a Federal jail and talk about the absurdity of a criminal justice system, in which if we don't change it, one out of four male African-Americans born today will end up behind bars. That is not the America we believe in. And that's why, that is why, we believe that it makes more sense to invest in Jobs and Education-not Jails and Incarceration."
- Bernie Sanders at the Iowa Democratic Party Hall of Fame Dinner, July 17th, 2015


In what world does this get protested except by republicans?

In what world does anyone but republicans want the continued US investment in mass incarceration to take precedence over jobs & education?

In what world is it ok to want to see an America where young black men walk down the street at the risk of being killed by our public's police officers?

Why the h*ll do you protest this and NOT Donald Trump who was at the exact same location 2 weeks earlier? It would have gotten MORE press in MSM. MSM has already forgotten the NRN fiasco...
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
121. Who said they want a world where" young black men walk down the street
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:22 PM
Jul 2015

At risk"? No one- ever.
I'm glad Bernie learned something- because you certainly have not.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
122. Bernie said that he didn't want that, and then was PROTESTED by the people he was defending.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:25 PM
Jul 2015

If you protest someone its -usually- because you vigorously disagree with them & their policies. But BERNIE is fighting FOR them, and he gets protested BY them.

That is the conundrum here.

That is why this OP finally makes sense out of the nonsensical "protest".

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
124. They were protesting every candidate that showed up- including O Malley
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:44 PM
Jul 2015

Who has been much more vocal about police brutality than Bernie. They were doing it to raise awareness among the people they have a chance with.

republican targets are a complete waste of time- and you know it. Why even suggest it? That's ridiculous.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
126. Geesh, I know, I was responding to YOU saying the maybe because of NRN, Bernie would better address
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:52 PM
Jul 2015

their concerns.

I responded by posting a video with transcript of what Bernie said the day before the "protest", which I cant imagine anyone including BLM being against & wanting to protest, except for republicans.

I repeat....you said maybe this will help Bernie better address #BLM & I posted a video of him already addressing BLM prior to being ambushed by them.

Do you get that now?

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
139. Yet Bernie still did his dumbass pivot to economics when confronted by BLM....
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 08:44 PM
Jul 2015

And I think he's starting to get how stupid that is in response to them (or police violence in general) . He's getting it- but was not there at Netroots that day.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
204. And, guess what? ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:03 PM
Jul 2015

just like Warren and Sanders serve to push HRC to the left, creating a good frame for the on-going discussion, this does the same thing ... it changes the discussion in a way that benefits the Black community.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
205. Yep. The ill informed sanctification and demonization
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:13 PM
Jul 2015

That goes on here is repulsive. Makes me glad my vote means jack shit in the primary.
Wonder how Sanders liked his Jackson and Jefferson dinner this weekend? I thought only corporatist Turd- wayers went to those? So confusing!

If I saw everybody in such stark black and white terms as many here do, I'd hate almost everyone.
Can't do it.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
51. It seems to me that you've amply demonstrated that you are postively tone deaf.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:22 PM
Jul 2015

If this article makes you feel better about that, I suppose that's a good thing.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
56. What exactly do you mean by this? All that's clear is you're putting me down.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jul 2015

Unless you're just saying this because you are a Hillary supporter & I am not.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
61. Well its good to know there's no explanation for your putdown.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:49 PM
Jul 2015

You must just enjoy doing that. If it makes you feel better, I suppose that's a good thing.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
64. The thing is, it's been explained.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:00 PM
Jul 2015

Many times in many words. Some few will take the time to contemplate beyond how this might affect the candidate of their choice.

The good thing is we now have to opportunity to discuss and to act strategically to bring about real change within our party and our society. And yes, I think we have to power to do so.

Or we can make it about gotcha politics and intraparty bullshit and whether NRN is legitimate and whether protestors really had any real concerns at all.

The choice is ours.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
67. You said I was tone deaf. The fact that you are pushing for Hillary here is all that I'm getting.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:09 PM
Jul 2015

I didn't post this for "my candidate". I'm for Bernie, or O'Malley, since my candidate of choice has chosen to sit it out...

I posted it because no matter how hard the Hillary group here has pushed that this was about #BLM, when it was #BLM "protesting" a CIVIL RIGHTS SUPPORTER from his college days, it finally made sense with this insider's article. I really can't tell you how upsetting it was to have #BLM attack our candidates. The only ones happy about it are Hillary & the RW.

I'm really not trying to change anyone's mind. I know for many here, that isn't the case. But in my case, I think I know how this will all play out, no matter what we post on DU. And when it does, I'll be going to the Green Party. Like the author of this OP did after years within the Democratic Party. This article has had a profound affect on me in many ways.

I'm finally seeing things as they are. Not only within the Democratic Party, but also at DU.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
76. You assume. And you know what that does.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:46 PM
Jul 2015

I'm very sorry that Elizabeth didn't run. On the other hand, I find that the Senate is in desperate need of progressive voices so I'm very glad she's there.

On the other hand ... you haven't a clue who I will caucus for, do you? And that is what I mean by tone deaf. For you, it's all about the primary.

Never mind, RL. You can't hear me.

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
54. That explains why the perpetrators attacked Sanders and omalley instead of conservatives
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:26 PM
Jul 2015

Attacking Clinton or the republicans would not result in the receipt of money from the establishment democrats. Attacking the people favored by liberals is the way to get money.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
84. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:04 PM
Jul 2015

On Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:33 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

That explains why the perpetrators attacked Sanders and omalley instead of conservatives
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=474211

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Referring to BLM as "perpetrators" is thoroughly disgusting. This shit has to stop.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Sat Jul 25, 2015, 12:46 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Bernie fans always get a hide from me.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation:
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: We know there are serious racial issues going on. No need to accuse demonstrators of the basest of motives, even if it goes against our preferred candidates.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Seems like an attempt to stir the pro-(anti-clinton) pot, which isn't helpful.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
103. A major fault in the jury system
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:23 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:54 PM - Edit history (1)

... using it as cudgel against the supporters of a viable not-Hillary candidate (VNHC).

I have been quietly reading, here and elsewhere, straight-up reporting and every angle of opinion trying to ferret out truth to enhance my understanding of this issue. I see matters of life and death and I see political opportunism, the first a critical issue that demands our attention as a nation, the second an aggressive assault of insidious memes targeting the candidacy of a VNHC.

The candidates will (and should be) judged on their own merit according to their record, not platitudes rolled out during election season.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
145. That is why I stopped donating to this site
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:11 PM
Jul 2015

When the jury system was established, I knew it would be abused, and it is.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
222. like i keep saying, i don't even use the alert button.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 04:06 PM
Aug 2015

I have no interest in going after people I politically disagree with.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
223. I'm VERY happy to alert on disruptive behaviour.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 04:09 PM
Aug 2015

I've no patience with them. If they can't be bothered to think straight, why should the site be polluted with repeated attempts to reason with them?

Get it off the page, I say.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
224. oh i can agree with that sentiment.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 04:18 PM
Aug 2015

for myself personally i just don't care enough! I don't judge others who do but I DEFINITELY wouldnt alert stalk people just because they are a supporter of a candidate I don't like and for no other reason.

sibelian

(7,804 posts)
225. Yeah, that would just be stupid.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 04:22 PM
Aug 2015

If Hilary somehow managed to pull herself into some shape that meant people could walk away from the image she'd generated for herself, that would be good enough for me. I would want her supporters to be able to point out her improvements.

Glassunion

(10,201 posts)
218. To be honest. Disrupting the conservatives would only effect about 40 or 50 people.
Wed Aug 12, 2015, 03:52 PM
Aug 2015

Disrupting Sanders on the other hand reaches tens of thousands at a time.

Response to RiverLover (Reply #59)

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
75. I am a supporter of #BLM, bettyellen, but I didn't understand why they would protest their own.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:33 PM
Jul 2015

I was all for their Ferguson protests around the country. They could stop traffic all they wanted, if it would wake people up. But this "protest" of Democratic candidates who fully support civil rights & have talked about "walking while black" made no sense. They didn't get any constructive policy ideas out there. They only shouted & it made our truly progressive candidates look guilty by association.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
79. Because their own are the only ones who might, maybe, we hope, actually act for change
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:52 PM
Jul 2015

as opposed to not-so-benign neglect. The Republicans won't. You know it, I know it and #BLM knows it.

This only hurt our candidate because he was unprepared. Let's see what happens as he moves his campaign to Louisiana. Then, might I suggest that we, his supporters, follow his lead.

JustAnotherGen

(31,839 posts)
81. Were you for BLM when it ACTUALLY started?
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 01:57 PM
Jul 2015
http://blacklivesmatter.com/about/

It precedes Ferguson.

They played nice with America's authorities after Trayvon's murderer went free - so start there.

Actually - Black folks we've been playing nice for years.

Just last summer . . . Our young uns had to say enough is enough. And I don't care the venue - Enough.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
85. I was living in Asheville NC at the time & I went to a protest there with my neighbor, who
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:04 PM
Jul 2015

happened to be black & gay & he wore a hoodie for 3 months straight after Travon was murdered.

Yes, I am for their cause. 100%. That's why this particular "protest" upset me so much. To me, in the long run, it will hurt them more than help. But hopefully I'm wrong & this won't hurt our progressive candidates most likely to help their cause & there will be change in this country and blacks will no longer have to be terrified for their life if they get pulled over. Or so black teens can walk to the corner store without worry of racial profiling & harassment by the local patrol ...

JustAnotherGen

(31,839 posts)
101. It won't happen overnight
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 03:54 PM
Jul 2015

But we've been too nice for too long.

I think you are seeing the sparks of a third civil rights movement for blacks in America.

Count me among those who say - I no longer care who I offend. And we shouldn't be waiting for politicians. We have a government now. And we need our own NRN environment. NAACP isn't cutting it - new era new day. Let's get loud. Abrasive. Intrusive.

Raising your hand and asking to be heard is not going to work in an instant news world.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
118. I hope there is a 3rd Civil Rights Movement. We need it.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jul 2015

I hope its led by someone as intelligent & savvy as MLK, Jr.

JustAnotherGen

(31,839 posts)
137. Look to
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 08:22 PM
Jul 2015

Melissa, Corey etc etc Our youth can aspire to that - religious leaders won't work. And I tend to agree with my nephews (22 and 19) - how effective was the passive in terms of New Jim Crow? It won't work in this environment. We need a high profile Garvey.

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
96. sounds like you have the kind of nuanced, complicated, non-dogmatic reaction
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jul 2015

that people cannot deal with.

I support Sanders, I support (in theory) BLM, I think what BLM did at Netroots was an embarrassing disaster.

Just a sentence like that seems to make people's heads explode.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
97. That's how you see it. Because you believe you're thinking is nuanced.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 03:22 PM
Jul 2015

Not binary. Like if you support black voices you can't possibly support Bernie.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
206. Try to understand what is actually being said ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jul 2015

BLM was/is not protesting "their own", nor were they "protest(ing) Democratic candidates" ... BLM were/was protesting PROGRESSIVE Democratic candidates, at a PROGRESSIVE event BECAUSE the focus on economics, in their/my view, detracts/distracts from the issue of Black Lives Mattering ... regardless of that candidate's years of coming down on the "right" side of the race issue.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
133. +1
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:25 PM
Jul 2015

This thread makes me again laugh to keep from crying. People yelling at each other and repeatedly asking 'what problem does anyone have with BAR?' And numerous posts continually saying the problems with it. I guess I'll repeat some of what you've said (though you say it better than me) in case anyone is missing your posts. Or missing the posts of others here.

It's antithetical to the majority of black intellectual thought. It's antithetical to the thought of most black people, as expressed here in the AA group and on twitter and in books and in magazines and in conversations and pretty much everywhere you go. It relentlessly attacks President Obama to the point of complete absurdity. It's trotted out repeatedly by both the far right and the elitist or naive left as some kind of 'here's what a black guy thinks!' that just confirms their own bias. Many of its articles keep pushing the idiotic argument that racial matters and economic matters are never separate. That argument is deader than a doornail. It's deader than Trayvon Martin, deader than Sandra Bland. It pushes convoluted conspiracy theories where simple common sense is too tough for some to grasp. It's egregiously contrarian beyond belief. If it was a bright sunny day it would say 'It's pouring rain!' If you said 'Oh, now it's starting to snow' it would say 'We're living on Mars you know!' Using its articles to claim that's how most black people are thinking is like using quotes from Sarah Palin to claim that's how most women are thinking. Or using posts from 4Chan to say 'that's how most white guys are thinking.'

Read all the posts in this thread, folks. Take people off ignore. Read them. Listen. If you still want to keep putting your foot in your mouth by all means keep it up. It makes me laugh! Maybe do another misappropriated out of context quote for good measure. Something like 'According to MLK, What's for dinner?' or 'According to Angela Davis, I'm going to Disney World!' I know some of you are well-meaning. Please learn. Please read more. Please listen more. Smarten up. We need you. You need us. Let's all tighten up our game.

Of course I expect some will blow by this post and keep blowing by your posts too 1SB. And keep blowing by tons of other posts. I don't know what to say my friend. You can't make this shit up. It's hysterical. I hope you're enjoying a good weekend. I'm going to do some yard work then watch UFC at a restaurant with a buddy. I expect better fights than the ones here. At least in people train and prepare or get defeated quickly, roflmao.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
185. +1 ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 11:13 AM
Jul 2015

So when I click "Post my reply!" it DOES post to the board beyond my screen ... I have asked the question several times; but, no one seems to want to answer it. I was beginning to think it only appeared on my screen!

I hope you enjoyed the UFC. Mrs. 1SBM and I took a day for ourselves and went to the local casino ... She played the slots and I played Hold 'Em ... we walked away, up close to $2,000!

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
189. Haha, same here.
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 11:38 AM
Jul 2015

That's awesome that you did well at the casino. UFC was great fun. Next week is a big one - Ronda Rousey defending her title in Brazil.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
105. Pay no attention to those with an agenda to silence actual leftist views...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:23 PM
Jul 2015

BAR is well respected all over the net by those who want real leftist analysis. The writers are some of the best there are out there. Haven't read the article yet but wanted to voice support for your efforts to bring real analysis to DU. The writing at BAR is very good and spot on in many cases. When people attack the messenger rather than the message you know something is being said that strikes a nerve.

 

AOR

(692 posts)
156. A pleasure to be in such distinguised company zappaman...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:46 PM
Jul 2015

I've read much of your work here. Don't agree with much of it but let us tarry longer in the future on some issues of importance. Surely we can do better than one-liners for the viewing audience

 

AOR

(692 posts)
153. What's your question 1StrongBlackMan...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 09:36 PM
Jul 2015

I attempted to engage your views on another thread and you ignored and someone alerted on my post and it got hidden. It was a mild challenge to engage you. Let me make something clear. I don't alert on anything and won't take part in juries because it is not conducive to generating all views. It is a game to some. I can assure you that politics and political power and who owns it is not a game for the very really people suffering daily on the ground. You know this. It's not personal that's the way I post. Certainly you're not the least bit intimidated by a blue-collar worker with bad grammar and atrocious punctuation. Perhaps my posts are beneath your contempt ? There is a disconnect between leftists and those who are holding onto to capitalist relations (political,economic,social) as the only possible way forward. What's your question ? Let's discuss it. If you don't care to that's fine also. Your choice.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
188. It's a pretty simple question ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 11:37 AM
Jul 2015
I've asked this question before ... and besides a bunch of "OMG, how could you say that?"/Why are you trying to silence him?"/and incredibly, "That's RACIST!!!!" responses, no one has answered ... How is this OP, any different from conservatives trotting out Thomas Sowell's or EJ Jackson's or Allen West's arguments that "Black folks are culturally dysfunctional" as cover to argue that "Black folks are culturally dysfunctional"?


Regarding the rest of your post ... In the years I've been on DU, I think I have alerted, maybe, 3 times, and never on a comment responding to me ... nor, do I have anyone on ignore (though I did place one DUer on ignore for a brief time ... as an experiment).
 

AOR

(692 posts)
216. I think there is major disconnection...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 05:15 PM
Jul 2015

regarding BAR. Not sure how you're arriving at the conclusions you're making 1StrongBlackMan. Don't know anything about the purpose of the OP in regards to Sanders. Is the poster of the OP a Sanders supporter or a Hillary supporter? No idea from here. Doesn't really matter. BAR is not a liberal blog. BAR is a leftist blog. NRN is a joke. I agree with Dixon on that. I certainly don't think Black Lives Matter is a joke in protesting police brutality against the AA community.

BAR blasts Capitalism at every point of analysis. Have no idea why you think white liberals/progressives would be enamored with BAR. BAR is very critical of the lasting value of any capitalist concessions that might be possible in the short term. The actual reality is that Black Agenda Report does not support the candidacy of Bernie Sanders running as a Democrat if that's what you mean. BAR is unyielding and unrelenting in critiques of the limitations of liberal/progressive reforms and the presently constituted Democratic Party. If that is so... you can imagine that there is absolutely ZERO support for the neoliberal policies of Barack Obama and the Clintons. Liberalism in any form is not the left. Liberalism defends Capitalism. Liberalism is Capitalism. There is no disputing that. That is reality - for good or bad - depending on one's perspective. If posters are using BAR to make a case for Bernie running as a Democrat then they are using the wrong source. Again, the writers at BAR are not liberals and are not supporting the candidacy of Sanders or any other Democrat. BAR is under the opinion that the currently constituted political system is rotten to the core and not salvageable without complete structural change. BAR is a source for leftist analysis of Capitalism, U.S. Imperialism, and everything in between from a leftist perspective.

Most writers at BAR have actually been mostly in support of the Black Lives Matter movement. I post BAR for class analysis and critique of Capitalism and not to prove any points regarding the Democratic Party primaries either way. Can't speak for anyone else who uses BAR. BAR is not about elections - as the final word on activism - on what needs to be done.

OilemFirchen

(7,143 posts)
129. And then...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:14 PM
Jul 2015

"Haven't read the article yet but wanted to voice support for your efforts to bring real analysis to DU."

A twofer!

 

AOR

(692 posts)
136. It is what it is...
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 07:54 PM
Jul 2015

pretty sure Dixon hits it on the head with this one on why parts of the Democratic Party take issue with the writers at BAR. It's not very hard to figure out by anyone paying attention to how far the Democratic Party has drifted from even the reform of the New Deal Democrats. Don't much care Bruce's love of the Green Party but his analysis is spot on in many cases.

Why We Don't Spend As Much Time Denouncing Republicans As We Do Democrats

By BAR managing editor Bruce A. Dixon

(Snip)

"We know who and what the Republican party is. Back in the mid 1960s, when Democratic president Lyndon Johnson, under relentless pressure from the Freedom Movement embraced enforcement of the Voting Rights Act in the South, Republicans opened their doors wide to welcome the exodus of white supremacist voters and politicians who'd been Democrats until that time. The modern Republican party re-made itself into the permanent white man's party not just in the South, but across the country, the party whose brands are rancid racism, pretentious piety, monstrous misogyny and shameless warmongering."

(Snip)

In today's political ecology, the job of Republicans is to provide political camouflage to right wing Democrats like the last two Democratic presidents Clinton and Obama, by moving still further rightward, even past the boundaries of lunacy. When Bill Clinton was busy passing NAFTA and ending welfare as we knew it, both measures tried and failed at by Bush 1, Newt Gingrich provided covering babble about taking poor children from their homes. While Barack Obama offered to put Medicare and social security on the deficit cutting table and enacted a so-called “Affordable Care Act” first passed as an insurance company bailout by Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney in 2004, Republicans threaten the piecemeal repeal of Rove V. Wade and cuts to unemployment compensation."

(Snip)

" We at Black Agenda Report spend more time denouncing Democrats because they act like and enable Republicans. We don't spend as much time denouncing the party of white supremacy because Republicans rarely bother to pretend to be anything else. African Americans haven't voted Republican in 50 years. But we're more unemployed than we've been in seventy years, and more imprisoned than we've ever been.


Full article at link...

http://blackagendareport.com/content/why-we-dont-spend-much-time-denouncing-republicans-we-do-democrats

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
208. But he/she just negated to say ...
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 01:48 PM
Jul 2015
BAR is well respected all over the net by those white liberals who want real leftist analysis, that can be used as a foil against what the mainstream of Black commentators have been saying.
 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
125. 1) I do like Black Agenda Report and respect them
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 05:49 PM
Jul 2015

2) Bruce Dixon is a smart political analyst kept off mainstream TV for giving too much truth.

3) I disagree with him about this. The Netroots protest was a smart move with mostly sincere participants.

4) He's right about something else though. Any prominent #blackLives activists and commentators ought to challenge Clinton the same way they challenged at Netroots.

5) If Hillary doesn't face a similar challenge, it bolsters Bruce Dixon's argument.

6) There is plenty to challenge Hillary on, including her support from private prison companies. She ought to make some kind of statement about the support she is getting and what is her opinion of it. (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=474524)

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