2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA deadly serious question.
Hillary Clinton has recently and repeatedly praised former SoS Henry Kissinger in public and in print, calling him, in a review of Kissinger's latest book "a defender of human rights."
Link:
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-world-order
"Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state. He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations about foreign leaders and sending me written reports on his travels."
Clinton also approvingly quotes a passage in Kissinger's book about respecting national sovereignty and adopting participatory and democratic systems of governance.
quoted from Washinton Post book review at http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/05/hillary_clinton_henry_kissinger_pals.html
Seriously, she thinks Kissinger has any respect, or even tolerance, for democracy? The man who said of a democratically elected government in Chile: "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/henryakis143264.html#p8A7zWAYRmOOr8xq.99
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"Dr. Henry Kissinger proposed in his memorandum to the NSC that "depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World." He quoted reasons of national security, and because `(t)he U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less-developed countries ... Wherever a lessening of population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources, supplies and to the economic interests of U.S.
National Security Memo 200, dated April 24, 1974, and titled "Implications of world wide population growth for U.S. security & overseas interests,"
Reference: http://www.rense.com/general59/kissingereugenics.htm
"Many historians have likened Kissinger to a war criminal or global mobster. He has been responsible for millions of deaths and has earned a Nobel Peace Prize. It seems only the mass murderers these day get the Nobel peace prize. He has a spot of amnesty and chair on Bilderbergs Club Of Rome circle.
Dr. Henry Kissinger was a Nelson Rockefellers protege. He began his career under the old money global elite by recruiting Nazi scientists and SS officials to America through a secret Counter-Intelligence Corps (CIC) project that evolved into the Central Intelligence Agencys (CIA) infamous Project Paperclip.
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Kissingers involvement in directing massacres in Vietnam, Bangladesh and Timor, as well as assassinations in Chile, Cyprus, and Washington, D.C., Hitchens concludes subsequently Dr. Henry Kissinger should be prosecuted for war crimes, for crimes against humanity, and for offenses against common or customary or international law, including conspiracy to commit murder, kidnap, and torture.
Source: http://therundownlive.com/kissinger-death-mastermind-mass-murder/
See generally, Hitchens, The Trial of Henry Kissinger (2001),
see also http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/CaseAgainst1_Hitchens.html
Kissinger was also a key player in sabotaging Lyndon Johnson's late-1968 attempt to end the Vietnam War.
In the Price of Power (1983), Seymour Hersh revealed Henry Kissinger---then Johnsons advisor on Vietnam peace talks---secretly alerted Nixons staff that a truce was imminent.
According to Hersh, Nixon was able to get a series of messages to the Thieu government [of South Vietnam] making it clear that a Nixon presidency would have different views on peace negotiations.
Johnson was livid. He even called the Republican Senate Minority Leader, Everett Dirksen, to complain that they oughtnt be doing this. This is treason.
I know, was Dirksens feeble reply.
Source: http://freepress.org/article/george-will-confirms-nixons-vietnam-treason
I am not necessarily attributing Kissinger's policies to HRC, though they sh68 re a hawkish, pro-plutocrat approach to foreign policy, but why in the name of all that is holy would anyone in their right mind want to place a dear friend of one of the 20th century's greatest monsters and war criminals, whom she has repeatedly and publicly says she admires, in the White House?
She could have written or said some platitudinous nothingness about her predecessor as SoS the way politicians all do, but she did not. She did the exact opposite. She went out of her way to pralse, even lionize, a man with the blood of millions of innocent Vietnamese, Timorese, Chileans, Bangladeshis, Argentinians and Cambodians and countless others on his hands. A man who has called for the passive extermination of millions more in the developing world. This not only shows less than stellar judgment and character, rather it shows a complete LACK of anything resembling judgment or character. To cozy up to and openly admire and praise, a creature whose foreign policy was an unbroken tapestry of mass murder, torture, assassination and saturation bombing of civilians is morally inexcusable in every way.
The company you voluntarily choose to keep speaks volumes about the kind of person you really are.
And that is without even mentioning her joined-at-the-hip ties to Lloyd Blankfein's Goldman Sachs, a criminal enterprise the profitability, power and immunity from investigation, much less prosecution, of which would have left Al Capone and Lucky Luciano shaking their heads in abject envy.
Why does anyone want a person with close friends like these in the Oval Office?
London Lover Man
(371 posts)Of course, we'll hear *crickets*... I could be wrong...
JEB
(4,748 posts)and the horse he rode in on. I despise that evil sack of vile, putrid lies. If Hillary calls him friend, that's a deal breaker for me.
nationalize the fed
(2,169 posts)or has inflation set in
What difference does it make?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)She seems terribly chummy with many of the vilest people on the planet.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)donated to the Clinton Foundation.
When asked why he would donate to Democrats he said that he is in NY and everyone is a Democrat, to donate to Republicans 'would be a waste of my money'.
I guess he expects something in return for that money.
He also has donated to the Dem Senate Committee in NY.
So when I see them sparring in public, I get that old feeling I got the first time I saw Bush and Clinton hanging out together after we all spent years defending Clinton against Bushbots.
As George Carlin said, 'It's BS, it's all BS'.
Except for Bernie Sanders.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Or mock them for their personal choices... Should people not be allowed to support Hillary? You/we should be better than this.
So over it.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)and it would also be great if people would STOP lecturing people for their decisions on who they support.
ISSUES that are vitally important to the people of this country when it comes to making choices as important as this one.
Now please address the content of my post, which pointed out an important issue when it comes to a candidate for the WH.
Money in politics is one of THE most important issues in this campaign.
This issue of the corrosive and corrupting effect of money in politics is one of the MAIN REASONS why I support Bernie Sanders.
Tell us why YOU support him, as you claim?
Is there something inaccurate in my post, if so say so and I will correct it. Otherwise it is a comment on what Joe Biden, agreeing with Bernie Sanders says, is THE most important issue in this campaign.
Do you disagree with Biden?
So sick of the attempts to hide the facts about candidates. If they have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear.
And do not accuse me of tearing down candidates. I have never done that, I post facts, periiod.
Hillary was my Senator and I supported her campaign. I did not support her accepting money from the likes of Donald Trump among others. The man has been a nasty, despicable moron for as long as I have known about him.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I went to college in VT, I lived there for several years after, I've had the pleasure of voting for him several times.
I support his policy positions and trust him.
But no I don't think what you are doing is discussing issues, you aren't actually willing to discuss much of anything.
I know lost cause but for some reason I still engage.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Then it is difficult to understand why you would support the only candidate in this race who has made it a central issue of his campaign, and why you would attempt to try to shut down any discussion of it.
Have you admonished those who post attacks on Bernie Sanders btw? I don't recall seeing you do so? But then I don't read non-ISSUES material so I could have missed it.
I have yet to see you discuss issues, I see you constantly lecturing Bernie supporters. Fine, if that's what you want to do, but it adds nothing to the discussion of what is important to the American people.
I will be discussing the ISSUE of money in our politics, I will be taking Biden's advice who told us that it is up to us to NOT ACCEPT this 'buying' of our government.
And if that is inconvenient for anyone, all they have to do is join Bernie in refusing to accept Corporate donations, an issue polls show is vitally important to a majority of Americans.
You have not pointed out what in my post is inaccurate.
Personal attacks I ignore, so waste your time on that if you wish, it has zero effect on me.
I am only interested in and will only discuss, ISSUES.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Then you aren't discussing issues, and I'm certainly not going to read the rest of the post.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)important issues in this campaign, due to its 'corrosive and corrupting effects on our electoral system'. Biden's AND Bernie's words.
The ONLY candidate who has made it a central issue of his campaign, putting his words into action and REFUSING that money, is Bernie Sanders.
You stated you support him because of his stand on issues. THIS is one of his main issues, his entire campaign being a lesson on how candidates CAN run a campaign without the 'corrosive and corrupting' obscene amounts of money pouring into our electoral system.
This is a political discussion forum. I responded to your personal attack on me by TRYING to stick to discussion of this ISSUE since you objected to my discussing it.
So let me try again, what is your position on this most important issue, and why do you object to anyone discussing it, since your candidate has every intention of shouting it from the rooftops until we get MONEY OUT OF POLITICS?
I still do not know where you stand on this issue. I assume, due to your objection to any discussion of it, that you have no problem with it.
But you can correct me if I am wrong, that is what discussion forums are all about.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Then it is difficult to understand why you would support the only candidate in this race who has made it a central issue of his campaign, and why you would attempt to try to shut down any discussion of it.
I made no personal attack against you, if you think I did please send it to a jury it should be hidden as a personal attack. All I want is for us to focus on our candidates positives and encourage other democrats to support him for those reasons.
And since you really want to know here are my positions on campaign finance...
- End Citizens United
- Remove PAC's entirely from the system
What else are you looking for?
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)in politics where you stated you were 'sick and tired of' people 'mocking' candidates and denying them the right to support 'Hillary'.
That was YOU addressing MY POST on the ISSUE OF MONEY IN POLITICS. Your interpretation being that someone discussing this most important issue with FACTS is 'mocking' and 'denying' people the 'right to support Hillary'.
Which you said you were 'sick of'
Now back to the issue which you still have not addressed so I will again state, and you have had the opportunity to correct anything in my comment regarding Hillary's funding from people like Trump, which so far you have not done, what is your opinion on Bernie Sanders' #1 issue in this campaign, and Joe Biden's opinion that it IS the #1 issue of this campaign, getting the 'corrosive and corrupting Corporate donations OUT of our politics'.
Try to stay focused on the issue, I am not interested in your opinion of me, only interested in ISSUES.
So' hard to keep the focus on one of the most important issues of this campaign. But I will continue to try to do so.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And my post HAS NOTHING to do with Hillary, I am sick an tired of people dragging other people's candidates through the mud. That includes but is not limited to:
- Bernie Sanders
- Martin O'Malley
- Hillary Clinton
And what the heck, even...
- Jim Webb
We need to stop tearing people down, it's not going to work. You want to get more people to vote for Sanders? Mocking them, and or belittling them isn't going to get us there.
In reference to Trumps donation to The Clinton Foundation, and or her Senate Campaign honestly not really sure which one you are asking about... Good for him, what's wrong with it? Did he get something back from it? Is there proof there was quid pro quo? Or is this all a bunch of bunk?
Who knows, no one can really accurately answer that question.
Does it seem "shady"? Maybe... But I'm not supporting Hillary so it has little/no effect on me.
Again, I have made no personal attack and have now attempted to answer all your questions. And I still think that posting something unsubstantiated like that gets us no where.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)you objected to.
Since Money in Politics is one my main reasons for supporting Bernie Sanders, I will be consistently pointing out who big donors to candidates are.
I agree with Joe Biden that 'until we get the money out of politics NOTHING ELSE will be accomplished'.
IF Bernie ever accepts money from someone like Trump, I will be the first to point out how hypocritical that would be and demand that he return it or stop claiming that he wants to see the end of Citizens United.
That is MY standard for MY candidate. And I will apply it as strongly to him as I am now doing and will continue to do to every other candidate.
Money in politics has destroyed our political system, it is the reason we have people like Scott Walker in politics. George Bush, Dick Cheney et al none of whom would stand a chance without the corrupting influence of Corporate money.
People do NOT spend obscene amounts of money on candidates without expecting something in return, which Trump actually stated. The intent of his donation is not hidden by him, and I personally would not accept his money. Nor would Sanders.
Thank you for your responses to the actual issue. I object to all Corporate donations to candidates running for elected office, so don't agree we need to know exactly what they got in return.
We see the bills that have passed Congress favoring Corporate interests and taking from the people. Supported by both Repubs and Dems.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)You did a good job of redirecting the failed Hi-Jack back to the issues.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)It wasn't a hijack.
Trajan
(19,089 posts)You referred to that poster, characterizing her comments as being against DU posters, when all she really talked about was Clinton and Kissinger ...
I am not sure how you have avoided my ignore list of permanent doom ... You fit the criteria - 'willing to purposely lie on behalf of your preferred candidate, and to 'lie in order to smear a fellow DUer'
That's enough to qualify ... It's your lucky day...
It all comes down to this 'Do I want to maintain relationships, even online relationships, to persons who would willingly and purposely lie?' ... The answer is no ... Gone ...
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)If you read the posts you determined make you qualified for your ignore list you'd know that...
Since when is a call for civility a hijack?
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)spqr78
(73 posts)Hey guys. If you tell people to much about Hillary Clinton's history they won't vote for her!
CrispyQ
(36,492 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)in politics has received attention for the first time publicly, and now thanks to Bernie Sanders, and recently Joe Biden (see his warning about this delivered last week where he states it is the most important issue of this campaign) Sanders it has for the first time become a major issue in a political campaign for the WH.
I used to WISH this happen, so we are making progress and polls show it IS a big concern for voters also.
Credit goes to Michael Moore also where in his documentary 'Capitalism A Love Story' he showed how Corporate Lobbyists take to the Capital Bldg with bags of money right after new candidates arrive there. No doubt to ensure they 'understood' what those donations were for.
One scene that made it very clear, he showed members of Congress walking up the steps of the Capital Bldg with labels above their heads showing $$$ signs as the lobbyists walked in along with them.
That doc should be shown to every voter before they decide who they support.
Elizabeth Warren was one of stars of the documentary, and my first introduction to her.
And Marcy Kaptur was featured pointing to Capital Hill confirming the FACT of the buying of our government.
CrispyQ
(36,492 posts)It's been awhile since I've seen it.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)of issue, and of people like Warren who at the time wasn't known to many people.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Last edited Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:33 PM - Edit history (1)
I realize the entire Credit Card Industry is located in his state,
but HOW does one justify supporting 30% interest for low wage earning Americans who are in a bind?
How does he sleep at night?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)and I have generally liked Joe for many years.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)is nowhere near Bernie's on major issues. However the speech he gave last week sounded like a warning to voters. He was very emphatic that it was up to Democrats to stop the flow of money into our campaigns.
Almost as if he has now seen it up close and while he didn't mention Bernie, he sounded just like him.
Made me wonder what Hillary thought of the speech, and why he felt it was so imperative to focus on the money in politics.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)You haven't been paying attention.
OWS is WORLDWIDE, and sparked some of the Arab Spring uprisings.
OWS has entered the lexicon,
and changing the language is very powerful. Even YOU use words coined by OWS.
Did you notice that at Obama's SOTU BEFORE OWS was all about austerity and "Eat your Peas" for the poor & Middle Classes.
At the SOTU AFTER OWS summer, his SOTU was about Economic Justice...even using some words coined by OWS.
OWS changed the language of the President's SOTU.
That is pretty powerful.
OWS lives on, buying foreclosed properties and returning them to families who lost everything to the "bankers" among other things, feeding hungry people, and advocating for Economic Justice.
OWS was not a single movement, but is a continuation of ALL the Social and Economic movements of the American past....directly related. These movements never die....they emerge in different forms, but always about the same issues.
There will be more, and if not named OWS, they will certainly be directly related.
The movement for justice NEVER dies.
LOL
Those , and there were many at DUwere very,very wrong.
Were you one of those guys?
If so, Hahahahahahahah!
tblue37
(65,477 posts)Response to hifiguy (Reply #17)
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L0oniX
(31,493 posts)"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." -- Henry Kissinger
bvar22
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hifiguy
(33,688 posts)daybranch
(1,309 posts)hate him too. Any friend of Kissinger is no friend to the American people. He is plain and simple a traitor whose actions ignored his oath of office, and resulted with the aid of Nixon in years of additional fighting and thousands more deaths of American service men and lives of many more Vietnamese.
But then he is a republican neocon, so lets just excuse him. Shame on you, Hillary.
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SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)pa28
(6,145 posts)If you want to see more of Henry Kissinger, Lloyd Blankfein, Larry Summers and John McCain taking part in policy discussion vote for Hillary Clinton.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Every last one.
Jebus wept.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)work across the aisle, to say vaguely positive, even "diplomatic" things about him, and some people can't stand that. But that's why she could be Secretary of State and they couldn't.
And I remember when one of Ted Kennedy's actual best friends was Orrin Hatch, and no one seemed to hold that against him.
And I bet you are among Ruth Ginsburg's strong admirers (as am I) even though she is so close to the loathsome Scalia that they take vacations together.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)he must be as big a sack of shit as Hillary for co mingling with her and letting her guide his entrance into the Senate.
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)Sounds like an outright lie to me.
That phrase has never crossed my mind when I hear Kissinger's name.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)dflprincess
(28,082 posts)goes way beyond diplomacy and it's an outright lie and not a phrase she needed to use - she could have refrained from saying anything. All it shows is that she's willing to sweep his crimes under the rug.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)was directly responsible for the deaths of millions. They are merely wrong-headed assholes. BIG difference.
Kissinger's record makes Cheney look good by comparison.
dsc
(52,166 posts)How many would have if Obamacare had gone down completely? Scalia sure as heck is responsible for deaths.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)The four years of unspeakable barbarism inflicted on the Vietnamese by Kissinger and Nixon actually killed more than a million people. Thousands were tortured and executed in Chile by their chosen dictator, Pinochet.
And she listens to his counsel? Better to get cooking tips from Hannibal Lecter.
dsc
(52,166 posts)but you sure were implying Scalia has no blood whatsoever on his hands. Well that is crap.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)This isn't about HRC in particular. She's not the first. A recent example is The Bush Crime Family. And they weren't the first, either.
What is the justification for it? What is the payoff? What is the upside? I can't think of one.
dionysus
(26,467 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)How is lying about someone being "diplomatic?"
Kissinger is NO defender of human rights in any sense of the phrase.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)She knows that those with a lot of power (the Oligarchs), love this evil man that wielded so much power. I think he might have helped in the decision to kill innocent Iraqi people. It's a sickness.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...when he negotiated "Peace in our Time" before WW2.
Clue" Monsters do NOT "negotiate".
Kissinger was and IS a MONSTER guilty of MILLIONS of the deaths of innocents.
1monster
(11,012 posts)two million people... and those deaths can be directly traced to Kissinger.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)but decades before, Henry the K gave the world Pol Pot. Two million dead.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)DISTINGUISHED INTERNATIONAL LEADERSHIP AWARD ATLANTICCOUNCIL ATLANTIC COUNCIL- MAY 1, 2013
Thank you very much, Henry. That was incredibly generous. It means a great deal to me personally. Henry's been a very good friend and a very willing counselor over the course of my tenure as Secretary of State. He's also going to be celebrating a birthday this spring, so an early Happy Birthday. But he truly is such a remarkably astute and indefatigable presence in the world. He got up here and tried to pretend that when he goes places people talk to him about me. (Laughter) That was such an unusual statement coming from Henry, it should be recorded for posterity (Laughter), but the fact is that everywhere I go people talk to me about Henry, and I'm always pleased to hear that, because he is still out there every week, every month traveling around the world trying to work with and encourage leaders to think beyond their own narrow and oftentimes destructive self-interests. So his friendship and advice has been indispensable to me.
http://www.womenspeecharchive.org/women/profile/speech/index.cfm?ProfileID=65&SpeechID=3294&printfriendly=1
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)LiberalAndProud
(12,799 posts)I believe her admiration is genuine.
I speak only for myself and my own perceptions.
JEB
(4,748 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)and say nice things about each other. This is how diplomatic people behave.
But she doesn't really trust him and he's not really a friend.
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)Got it.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)that he sometimes has useful information. It's up to her what she does with it.
George II
(67,782 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)And, now we know what we need to know about Mrs. Clinton.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Her chosen associations would gag a vulture.
And Chimpy has said he thinks of her as a sister-in-law.
How fucking blind can people BE?
-none
(1,884 posts)The only thing bigger than infinity is human stupidity.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Her 'spiritual mentor', at least at one point in time. Not sure if she still thinks of him that way. But Dominionism is in that toxic brew as well.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)It just keeps getting worse the deeper one digs.
bvf
(6,604 posts)Satire died the day they awarded Henry Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize.
-- Widely (but incorrectly) attributed to Tom Lehrer.
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)rotting in jail...before he has a chance to burn in Hell...Like W, a mass murderer of the first rank...
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)If Hillary Clinton does not understand that, if she truly counts him as a friend, then she does not understand the world the way I do, and she has no business being in the White House.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I detect a pattern here.
Either she's "shading the truth" or she's demonstrating a recurring failure to effectively judge character.
If I were a supporter, I wouldn't brag about either scenario.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)a woman my age (we're both 66) and she expressed unbridled support for Hillary, because of wanting to see a woman in the White House. I pointed out some of Ms. Clinton's flaws, and my friend said she'd look into it more closely. I know she will, because if nothing else I know she trusts my judgement. If she comes out still supporting Hillary, then darn, but she at least looked more closely.
gregcrawford
(2,382 posts)cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
840high
(17,196 posts)Zorra
(27,670 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)But he could be too old for lionization...after all the king of beast has some taste.
London Lover Man
(371 posts)But certainly not for the hyenas - they EAT anything!
zeemike
(18,998 posts)He should definatly be hyenaised.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,806 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)zeemike
(18,998 posts)Primaries will do that to you.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)LoisB
(7,222 posts)marble falls
(57,145 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Keep your eyes in your rear view mirror
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Truth is like that.
2banon
(7,321 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Your bizarre conclusions are offensive!
2banon
(7,321 posts)highly suggests you have absolutely no issue, qualms, or any level of concern wrt to HRC's relationship with Kissinger as a close friend/confidant/advisor.. certainly would be (officially or unofficially) a member of her cabinet or advisors.
The very clear point of the OP requests a specific response from her supporters on that matter alone. Your bizarre snark completely ignored the question.
One could be compelled to draw the obvious conclusion, but I wanted to give you an opportunity to make your feelings/thoughts/position clear as regards the question of Kissinger playing any role in HRC's foreign policy decisions.
George II
(67,782 posts)"I wanted to give you an opportunity to make your feelings/thoughts/position clear"?????
And presumptuous, too!
2banon
(7,321 posts)Please allow me to apologize for my transgressions and if you would please spare a moment in addressing the question?
What are your thoughts with regard to Kissinger playing such a significant and important role in HRC's group of foreign policy advisors?
Thanks in advance!
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Seems George just wants to deflect and derail the conversation.
Quelle surprise!
dionysus
(26,467 posts)towards a known war criminal, who can't travel as much as he used to because of pesky international warrants out for him and such?
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)if she were shown to be president of the Martin Bormann fan club. Which needless to say she is not.
Were the rules of Nuremberg applied to Kissinger he would have been hanged thirty years ago. And that a Democratic candidate expresses such open and unqualified admiration for a known, wanted WAR CRIMINAL is more than slightly disturbing. But apparently it is of no consequence to many people. I wonder why that is?
George II
(67,782 posts)dionysus
(26,467 posts)RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)Perception rules! Facts are so 20th century!
Henry Kissinger is a valued part of Our American Heritage. Much like the Confederate battle flag.
You tell 'em, Georgie!
artislife
(9,497 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)I read through some of the links, especially the Mother Jones story. Unfortunately the OP pulled out the WORST (and subjective) parts of that article on which to base a Clinton hit piece. He/she conveniently neglected to mention any of the things about Clinton where she ISN'T his "friend", or as has been portrayed here falsely, "GOOD friend".
I'm sure I could dig up some dirt about the "other" candidate and go on for paragraphs and paragraphs, but that's not my style and it doesn't accomplish anything positive.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You're trying to shut down the conversation because you can't dismiss or defend her own words.
George II
(67,782 posts)"You're trying to shut down the conversation." That's blatantly false - where can you find any inkling in my posts that I'm trying to shut down the conversation?????
But the OP conveniently ignores these excerpts from the Mother Jones article:
She does add that she and Henry "have often seen the world and some of our challenges quite differently, and advocated different responses now and in the past."
She served on the staff of the House judiciary committee, which voted to impeach Nixon; one of the articles of impeachment drafted by the staff (but which was not approved) slammed Nixon for covering up the bombing in Cambodia.
Unfortunately some people desperately need to come up with negative things about the woman, who has been involved in national politics for more than two decades. Its sad that to do so right-wing talking points to do so.
Using the circular logic used here, how about this - several times Donald Trump has mentioned that "she was the worst SoS in our history" - so, if I were to use your and other Sanders' followers' logic, I could say "Bernie Sanders' campaign aligns with Donald Trump"!
Is that fair?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Your very first post in this thread was "Keep digging..this stuff isn't going to make up 40 points!"
This "stuff" as you refer to it is obviously important to many DUers, the fact that you don't like the quotes and info in the op doesn't mean it's an "anti-Hillary hit piece".
And unfortunately for you we don't have to "come up" with anything, her words and record are coming back to bite her on the ass.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Good to know where her supporters stand with war criminals.
PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)foreign policy should be to depopulate the Third World so we don't have all those 'useless eaters.'
That's just...I mean, how can we even find the words to express pure disgust.
And he has Clinton's ear...
I think Bernie might be making up those points.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Some here are sure to believe her.
hifiguy
(33,688 posts)somehow, though I doubt one will, some would still not believe it. The denial and delusion is as thick as the humidity in the rainforest.
PatrickforO
(14,586 posts)"depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World."
Geez.
I guess depopulation sounds great unless you're one of the ones chosen for 'depopulation.'
bvar22
(39,909 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)if I ever met him, let alone consider him a 'friend'.
So Hillary supports minorities? Has she ever listened to the victims, the people whose loved ones were murdered and tortured and disappeared by Kissinger's friend Pinochet?
Sometimes I think there is no hope for this country, but then I think of Bernie and though I know they will do everything in their power to stop him, he gives me a glimmer of hope.
emsimon33
(3,128 posts)Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Not on a grand Kissinger scale, but it looks like Henry took her training wheels off.
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)and she obviously has no qualms about the guilt by association she hung around her neck with that one...
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)K&R
Fearless
(18,421 posts)jalan48
(13,879 posts)He's a war criminal like Bush. Maybe these folks all belong to the same party.
SusanaMontana41
(3,233 posts)tclambert
(11,087 posts)Too bad it came two years before the war actually ended with a completely different outcome from what he helped negotiate.
heaven05
(18,124 posts)FOR CLARITY, one more time, on HRC. So obvious yet totally ignored by 'the group'.
vlakitti
(401 posts)Thanks for bringing this up. Kissinger's a war criminal.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)So uhm ...Hey Hillary ...you're pals with this sociopath?
staggerleem
(469 posts)... I'd STILL be more comfortable with Hillary in the White House than Scott Walker, or JEB!, or Rubio.
All that means is the Bernie had better win the Primary - with billions behind the Republican candidate, not voting in the General Election is not an option.
Persondem
(1,936 posts)The incestuous cannibalism continues.
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)Her foreign policy positions are my single strongest reason for disliking her.
R. P. McMurphy
(835 posts)is definitely the lesser of the Fascio-Corporate evils!
FEEL THE BERN!
McKim
(2,412 posts)My brother in law died in Vietnam because the war was prolonged. It is a good thing that Henry Kissinger had to flee the Ritz Hotel in Paris a few years ago. Interpol was coming for him as a war criminal. A shame he can't shop there with Nancy anymore.
So, I also have been noticing the nice things that Hillary has said about Kissinger over the years, and this, along with her Iraq War vote that sent our boys and girls to die and get maimed for a lie.
All my compaign cash and hopes will go with Senator Sanders.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)My brother got sent to Ramadi, he made it back but won't ever be the same.
Some things can't be forgiven and forgotten, nor should they.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Had to read his first book, Nuclear Weapons and Foreign Policy in college in a government class. It was awful. It has been many, many years, over 50, but if I recall correctly it suggested that war and rivalry between Russia (then the USSR) and the US was practically unavoidable because of our geography.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)eom
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)hifiguy
(33,688 posts)Few things are as revealing as the character of the people one voluntary chooses to associate with.
Ever hear the old adage "Lie down with the dogs and you get up with fleas"?
Kissinger isn't just another ex-government official. He is a wanted war criminal in many countries. Your candidate calls a WANTED WAR CRIMINAL a good friend.
Nuff said, I think.
msanthrope
(37,549 posts)And at some point there's going to be an association of Bernie has made that is unsavory and you know what I'm going to care about it? 0 fucks will be given.
madokie
(51,076 posts)want her anywhere close to the oval office.
Read my sig line for an explanation of where I stand though
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
Gonzalo
(13 posts)So take your side.