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hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:46 PM Jul 2015

A deadly serious question.

Hillary Clinton has recently and repeatedly praised former SoS Henry Kissinger in public and in print, calling him, in a review of Kissinger's latest book "a defender of human rights."

Link:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/09/hillary-clinton-henry-kissinger-world-order

"Kissinger is a friend, and I relied on his counsel when I served as secretary of state. He checked in with me regularly, sharing astute observations about foreign leaders and sending me written reports on his travels."

Clinton also approvingly quotes a passage in Kissinger's book about “respecting national sovereignty” and “adopting participatory and democratic systems of governance.”

quoted from Washinton Post book review at http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2014/09/05/hillary_clinton_henry_kissinger_pals.html

Seriously, she thinks Kissinger has any respect, or even tolerance, for democracy? The man who said of a democratically elected government in Chile: "I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves."

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/h/henryakis143264.html#p8A7zWAYRmOOr8xq.99
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"Dr. Henry Kissinger proposed in his memorandum to the NSC that "depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World." He quoted reasons of national security, and because `(t)he U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less-developed countries ... Wherever a lessening of population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources, supplies and to the economic interests of U.S.

National Security Memo 200, dated April 24, 1974, and titled "Implications of world wide population growth for U.S. security & overseas interests,"

Reference: http://www.rense.com/general59/kissingereugenics.htm

"Many historians have likened Kissinger to a “war criminal or global mobster.” He has been responsible for millions of deaths and has earned a Nobel Peace Prize. It seems only the mass murderer’s these day get the “Nobel peace prize”. He has a spot of amnesty and chair on Bilderbergs Club Of Rome circle.

Dr. Henry Kissinger was a Nelson Rockefeller’s protege. He began his career under the “old money global elite” by recruiting Nazi scientists and “SS” officials to America through a secret Counter-Intelligence Corps (CIC) project that evolved into the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA) infamous “Project Paperclip.”

* * *

Kissinger’s involvement in directing massacres in Vietnam, Bangladesh and Timor, as well as assassinations in Chile, Cyprus, and Washington, D.C., Hitchens concludes subsequently Dr. Henry Kissinger should be prosecuted “for war crimes, for crimes against humanity, and for offenses against common or customary or international law, including conspiracy to commit murder, kidnap, and torture.”

Source: http://therundownlive.com/kissinger-death-mastermind-mass-murder/

See generally, Hitchens, The Trial of Henry Kissinger (2001),
see also http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Kissinger/CaseAgainst1_Hitchens.html

Kissinger was also a key player in sabotaging Lyndon Johnson's late-1968 attempt to end the Vietnam War.

In the Price of Power (1983), Seymour Hersh revealed Henry Kissinger---then Johnson’s advisor on Vietnam peace talks---secretly alerted Nixon’s staff that a truce was imminent.

According to Hersh, Nixon “was able to get a series of messages to the Thieu government [of South Vietnam] making it clear that a Nixon presidency would have different views on peace negotiations.”

Johnson was livid. He even called the Republican Senate Minority Leader, Everett Dirksen, to complain that “they oughtn’t be doing this. This is treason.”

“I know,” was Dirksen’s feeble reply.

Source: http://freepress.org/article/george-will-confirms-nixons-vietnam-treason

I am not necessarily attributing Kissinger's policies to HRC, though they sh68 re a hawkish, pro-plutocrat approach to foreign policy, but why in the name of all that is holy would anyone in their right mind want to place a dear friend of one of the 20th century's greatest monsters and war criminals, whom she has repeatedly and publicly says she admires, in the White House?

She could have written or said some platitudinous nothingness about her predecessor as SoS the way politicians all do, but she did not. She did the exact opposite. She went out of her way to pralse, even lionize, a man with the blood of millions of innocent Vietnamese, Timorese, Chileans, Bangladeshis, Argentinians and Cambodians and countless others on his hands. A man who has called for the passive extermination of millions more in the developing world. This not only shows less than stellar judgment and character, rather it shows a complete LACK of anything resembling judgment or character. To cozy up to and openly admire and praise, a creature whose foreign policy was an unbroken tapestry of mass murder, torture, assassination and saturation bombing of civilians is morally inexcusable in every way.

The company you voluntarily choose to keep speaks volumes about the kind of person you really are.

And that is without even mentioning her joined-at-the-hip ties to Lloyd Blankfein's Goldman Sachs, a criminal enterprise the profitability, power and immunity from investigation, much less prosecution, of which would have left Al Capone and Lucky Luciano shaking their heads in abject envy.

Why does anyone want a person with close friends like these in the Oval Office?

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A deadly serious question. (Original Post) hifiguy Jul 2015 OP
A *VERY* good question for Clinton and her supporters to answer.. London Lover Man Jul 2015 #1
Fuck Henry Kissinger JEB Jul 2015 #2
are pictures still worth a thousand words nationalize the fed Jul 2015 #8
There's a doozy of her with Murdoch, too. hifiguy Jul 2015 #17
Don't forget Donald Trump. He donated to her Senate Campaigns AND sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #49
Support our candidate, don't tear down other peoples. Agschmid Jul 2015 #65
It would be great if you stopped trying to tell people not to discuss ISSUES sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #69
I know him, I trust him, and I support most of his policy positions. Agschmid Jul 2015 #70
So you don't think that MONEY in politics is an important issue sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #71
If you're going to accuse me of lying about who I support in the first sentence... Agschmid Jul 2015 #72
This isn't about YOU. Once again, focus on the issues. Money is one of the most sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #77
You made it about me... Agschmid Jul 2015 #79
See your post #65 in response to my post ON THE ISSUE of money sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #80
Yes I've seen my post, I wrote it. Agschmid Jul 2015 #82
I agree, which is why I stick to the issues as I did in the post sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #85
Well Done , sabrina 1! bvar22 Jul 2015 #114
Actually it appears we agreed. Agschmid Jul 2015 #122
Actually it was a hijack Trajan Jul 2015 #127
So my candidate is Bernie just FYI... Agschmid Jul 2015 #128
Yeah....thats what they all say. bvar22 Jul 2015 #145
Luckily what people think about me has no effect on who I vote for. Agschmid Jul 2015 #148
in other words. spqr78 Jul 2015 #116
A friend on FB posted this. CrispyQ Jul 2015 #84
So true, but on the good side, thanks to eg, OWS, the issue of money sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #88
I just put that movie in my queue. CrispyQ Jul 2015 #94
In a way it's more relevant now, because more people are aware sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #143
I still have problems with Biden's vote to protect the usurous Credit Card Industry bvar22 Jul 2015 #131
That has always rankled me as well, hifiguy Jul 2015 #132
Yes, Biden has been good on some issues, but his voting record sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #144
OWS didn't do shit... unfortunately... dionysus Jul 2015 #139
LOL bvar22 Jul 2015 #147
As Carlin said, It's a club, and we aren't in it. nt tblue37 Jul 2015 #113
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #130
How dare you! L0oniX Jul 2015 #89
Birds of a feather.... bvar22 Jul 2015 #146
Vultures ARE birds, so true enough. hifiguy Jul 2015 #152
We Vietnam veterans who know how Kissinger helped prevent Johnson from ending the war daybranch Jul 2015 #109
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2015 #129
Interesting that you picked Kissinger to fuck. He said power is the ultimate aphrodisiac. SusanaMontana41 Aug 2015 #154
That's part of the decision making process for primary voters. pa28 Jul 2015 #3
Yep. Tribunes of the people, hifiguy Jul 2015 #4
+1 arcane1 Jul 2015 #6
She didn't call him a "dear friend," she called him a friend. And yes, she's trying to pnwmom Jul 2015 #5
Hillary contributed financially to Bernie's campaign. Sheepshank Jul 2015 #7
Calling him a "defender of human rights" is vaguely positive? dflprincess Jul 2015 #10
She's being diplomatic. Better than being actual best buds with a creep like Scalia. pnwmom Jul 2015 #13
Calling him a "defender of human rights" dflprincess Jul 2015 #20
Kissinger is human excrement. Pinochet was his baby. Shameful. eom SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #103
Neither Orrin Hatch nor Scalia hifiguy Jul 2015 #18
How many people will die due to Medicaid not expanding? dsc Jul 2015 #21
Are you serious? Really? hifiguy Jul 2015 #26
I am not minimizing Kissinger dsc Jul 2015 #31
She's just being diplomatic. I know many people can't stand that about her. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #42
A defender of human rights frylock Jul 2015 #52
Yes, being diplomatic with war criminals is something I find intolerable. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #58
Call it "diplomacy" if you want. No matter how you spin it, schmoozing with a war criminal is not OK. SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #105
of course you know the upside (for BCF enablers and family buddies) dionysus Jul 2015 #140
So tell me, RoccoR5955 Jul 2015 #74
One can be "diplomatic" without actually praising the person. I think she was being "political". rhett o rick Jul 2015 #76
....and CHamberlain was "just" being diplomatic... bvar22 Jul 2015 #153
And don't forget about Cambodia. That whole fiasco caused the deaths of at least 1monster Jul 2015 #44
YES YES YES. So many warcrimes, so little political will. n/t SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #104
Reagan gave us al Qaeda, The Little Chimp gave us ISIS hifiguy Jul 2015 #117
Okay. He's just a very good friend. Luminous Animal Jul 2015 #22
That says it all. Right there. hifiguy Jul 2015 #30
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ no really ^^^THIS^^^ L0oniX Jul 2015 #91
I believe her friendship extends beyond merely collegial. LiberalAndProud Jul 2015 #25
Orin Hatch is not a war criminal responsible for Millions of deaths. JEB Jul 2015 #54
I think she treats him the same way she treats Putin. On the surface, they're friendly pnwmom Jul 2015 #55
So she's lying. Kissenger didn't actual counsel her as SoS. LondonReign2 Jul 2015 #75
If that's how you want to put it. I view it as her staying open to the possibility pnwmom Jul 2015 #86
Mitch McConnell refers to Harry Reid as "my friend", that's the way politicians are. George II Jul 2015 #97
Right. That's how people of opposite views manage to work together. n/t pnwmom Jul 2015 #98
Re: depopulation...he referred to .."useless eaters". dixiegrrrrl Jul 2015 #9
I'd say we know quite enough to draw conclusions. hifiguy Jul 2015 #12
Pretty blind. -none Jul 2015 #64
Don't forget David Coe. Erich Bloodaxe BSN Jul 2015 #83
Oy. hifiguy Jul 2015 #118
An (apocryphal) quote: bvf Jul 2015 #11
Kissinger should be Thespian2 Jul 2015 #14
Henry Kissinger should be rotting in jail. SheilaT Jul 2015 #15
Well, she also misjudged Dubya's intentions with the IWR RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #37
Earlier today I was with a friend, SheilaT Jul 2015 #56
A-fuckin'-MEN! gregcrawford Jul 2015 #16
HRC - Never Met An Oligarchs Or Minion That Was Not To Be Liked cantbeserious Jul 2015 #19
yep 840high Jul 2015 #23
Thanks! Kissinger is a vampire. nt Zorra Jul 2015 #24
I see no problem with lionizing Henry Kissinger. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #27
Well played, indeed. hifiguy Jul 2015 #28
... zeemike Jul 2015 #32
May be too rubbery for the lions.... London Lover Man Jul 2015 #35
And they laugh when they do it. zeemike Jul 2015 #50
Would probably be like gnawing on an old boot. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2015 #36
LOL! Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #46
Yes but maybe she has evolved. zeemike Jul 2015 #29
Yes ...we must look to the future. No point in dwelling on past friends or associates. L0oniX Jul 2015 #92
I find Kissinger to be a most unappealing sort of fellow Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #33
Kissinger should have been in the dock at the Hague years ago. LoisB Jul 2015 #34
I'd love to hear the Clinton spin on that. marble falls Jul 2015 #38
Keep digging..this stuff isn't going to make up 40 points! George II Jul 2015 #39
February's a long way off ibegurpard Jul 2015 #41
Every word is a fact that cannot be refuted. hifiguy Jul 2015 #43
. George II Jul 2015 #45
Kissinger a hero of yours? Feel good about re-appointing him to POTUS cabinet do ya? 2banon Jul 2015 #53
Did I say that Kissinger was a hero of mine? George II Jul 2015 #73
Dismissing completely the very significant question posed in the OP... 2banon Jul 2015 #100
How patronizing of you! George II Jul 2015 #102
Ok. Pardon Me. 2banon Jul 2015 #107
Crickets. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #120
ok, George, from a third party in the conversation: how do you feel about hillary's warm thoughts dionysus Jul 2015 #141
Shit, there are people here who would apologize for HRC hifiguy Jul 2015 #150
Considering that a good portion of those "words" are opinion, I don't agree. George II Jul 2015 #138
so you're a legitimate kissenger fan? dionysus Jul 2015 #142
Yes! As long as people remain fooled or ignorant, the truth is irrelevant! RufusTFirefly Jul 2015 #47
Do you like Kissinger? nt artislife Jul 2015 #57
Why do you ask? George II Jul 2015 #96
Because that is the topic of the thread. nt artislife Jul 2015 #108
Well, if the topic of the thread really is "do you like Kissinger", why drag in Hillary Clinton? George II Jul 2015 #111
Because her friendship with him is the topic of the thread. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #121
Every time someone disagrees with you (or disagrees with an anti-Hillary hit piece), the story is... George II Jul 2015 #123
Because you're trying to disrupt. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #125
Well, we know it's a major selling point for her admirers. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #59
Ah ...another Hillary supporter that has no problem with her friend ...Kissinger. L0oniX Jul 2015 #93
Yeah, but look at what the guy said. Geez. Talking about how the priority of our PatrickforO Jul 2015 #137
Maybe she'll apologize ibegurpard Jul 2015 #40
If a photo of HRC and Cheney eating live kittens turned up hifiguy Jul 2015 #119
So now we know the Kissinger plan for people in the Third World - PatrickforO Jul 2015 #48
THat is straight out of the NAZI plan for expansion of the "Fatherland". bvar22 Jul 2015 #135
Henry Kissinger is a War Criminal. I would not be able to be polite to him sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #51
Another to NOT vote or support Hillary emsimon33 Jul 2015 #60
Clinton has her own little Chile in Honduras. Fuddnik Jul 2015 #61
Indeed. hifiguy Jul 2015 #62
We are all in a big way defined by who and what we support stupidicus Jul 2015 #63
Good question MissDeeds Jul 2015 #66
With friends like these... n/t Fearless Jul 2015 #67
Kissinger was involved with the overthrow of Allende and the rise of the fascist Pinochet in Chile. jalan48 Jul 2015 #68
Same ideology, for sure. n/t SusanaMontana41 Jul 2015 #106
Hey, Kissinger won a Nobel Peace Prize for ending the Vietnam War. tclambert Jul 2015 #78
THANK YOU!!!! heaven05 Jul 2015 #81
A really fine post, hifiguy! vlakitti Jul 2015 #87
"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." - Henry Kissinger L0oniX Jul 2015 #90
Even given all of the above ... staggerleem Jul 2015 #95
To coin a phrase Persondem Jul 2015 #99
Hillary and Dr. Strangelove are foreign policy birds of a feather. Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #101
If we can't have Bernie for President then Hillary . . . R. P. McMurphy Jul 2015 #110
My Brother in Law Died in Vietnam Because of the Prolonged War McKim Jul 2015 #112
I am sorry you lost your bil, McKim. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #115
K&R. JDPriestly Jul 2015 #124
fuck Henry Kissenger and his friends.... mike_c Jul 2015 #126
I don't give a flying fuck who she pals around with. nt msanthrope Jul 2015 #133
Your delusion level is extraordinary. hifiguy Jul 2015 #134
I didn't give a flying fuck when the right wing was upset Obama paled around with Alinsky...... msanthrope Jul 2015 #136
I don't madokie Jul 2015 #149
A Person Is Known By The Company They Keep cantbeserious Jul 2015 #151
Different Opinions Gonzalo Oct 2015 #155
 

London Lover Man

(371 posts)
1. A *VERY* good question for Clinton and her supporters to answer..
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:14 PM
Jul 2015

Of course, we'll hear *crickets*... I could be wrong...

 

JEB

(4,748 posts)
2. Fuck Henry Kissinger
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:15 PM
Jul 2015

and the horse he rode in on. I despise that evil sack of vile, putrid lies. If Hillary calls him friend, that's a deal breaker for me.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
17. There's a doozy of her with Murdoch, too.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jul 2015

She seems terribly chummy with many of the vilest people on the planet.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
49. Don't forget Donald Trump. He donated to her Senate Campaigns AND
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:14 AM
Jul 2015

donated to the Clinton Foundation.

When asked why he would donate to Democrats he said that he is in NY and everyone is a Democrat, to donate to Republicans 'would be a waste of my money'.

I guess he expects something in return for that money.

He also has donated to the Dem Senate Committee in NY.

So when I see them sparring in public, I get that old feeling I got the first time I saw Bush and Clinton hanging out together after we all spent years defending Clinton against Bushbots.

As George Carlin said, 'It's BS, it's all BS'.

Except for Bernie Sanders.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
65. Support our candidate, don't tear down other peoples.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:24 AM
Jul 2015

Or mock them for their personal choices... Should people not be allowed to support Hillary? You/we should be better than this.

So over it.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
69. It would be great if you stopped trying to tell people not to discuss ISSUES
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 10:48 AM
Jul 2015

and it would also be great if people would STOP lecturing people for their decisions on who they support.

ISSUES that are vitally important to the people of this country when it comes to making choices as important as this one.

Now please address the content of my post, which pointed out an important issue when it comes to a candidate for the WH.

Money in politics is one of THE most important issues in this campaign.

This issue of the corrosive and corrupting effect of money in politics is one of the MAIN REASONS why I support Bernie Sanders.

Tell us why YOU support him, as you claim?

Is there something inaccurate in my post, if so say so and I will correct it. Otherwise it is a comment on what Joe Biden, agreeing with Bernie Sanders says, is THE most important issue in this campaign.

Do you disagree with Biden?



So sick of the attempts to hide the facts about candidates. If they have nothing to hide they have nothing to fear.

And do not accuse me of tearing down candidates. I have never done that, I post facts, periiod.

Hillary was my Senator and I supported her campaign. I did not support her accepting money from the likes of Donald Trump among others. The man has been a nasty, despicable moron for as long as I have known about him.



Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
70. I know him, I trust him, and I support most of his policy positions.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 10:53 AM
Jul 2015

I went to college in VT, I lived there for several years after, I've had the pleasure of voting for him several times.

I support his policy positions and trust him.

But no I don't think what you are doing is discussing issues, you aren't actually willing to discuss much of anything.

I know lost cause but for some reason I still engage.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
71. So you don't think that MONEY in politics is an important issue
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:04 AM
Jul 2015

Then it is difficult to understand why you would support the only candidate in this race who has made it a central issue of his campaign, and why you would attempt to try to shut down any discussion of it.

Have you admonished those who post attacks on Bernie Sanders btw? I don't recall seeing you do so? But then I don't read non-ISSUES material so I could have missed it.



I have yet to see you discuss issues, I see you constantly lecturing Bernie supporters. Fine, if that's what you want to do, but it adds nothing to the discussion of what is important to the American people.

I will be discussing the ISSUE of money in our politics, I will be taking Biden's advice who told us that it is up to us to NOT ACCEPT this 'buying' of our government.

And if that is inconvenient for anyone, all they have to do is join Bernie in refusing to accept Corporate donations, an issue polls show is vitally important to a majority of Americans.

You have not pointed out what in my post is inaccurate.

Personal attacks I ignore, so waste your time on that if you wish, it has zero effect on me.

I am only interested in and will only discuss, ISSUES.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
72. If you're going to accuse me of lying about who I support in the first sentence...
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:33 AM
Jul 2015

Then you aren't discussing issues, and I'm certainly not going to read the rest of the post.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
77. This isn't about YOU. Once again, focus on the issues. Money is one of the most
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:56 AM
Jul 2015

important issues in this campaign, due to its 'corrosive and corrupting effects on our electoral system'. Biden's AND Bernie's words.

The ONLY candidate who has made it a central issue of his campaign, putting his words into action and REFUSING that money, is Bernie Sanders.

You stated you support him because of his stand on issues. THIS is one of his main issues, his entire campaign being a lesson on how candidates CAN run a campaign without the 'corrosive and corrupting' obscene amounts of money pouring into our electoral system.

This is a political discussion forum. I responded to your personal attack on me by TRYING to stick to discussion of this ISSUE since you objected to my discussing it.

So let me try again, what is your position on this most important issue, and why do you object to anyone discussing it, since your candidate has every intention of shouting it from the rooftops until we get MONEY OUT OF POLITICS?

I still do not know where you stand on this issue. I assume, due to your objection to any discussion of it, that you have no problem with it.

But you can correct me if I am wrong, that is what discussion forums are all about.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
79. You made it about me...
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jul 2015
So you don't think that MONEY in politics is an important issue
Then it is difficult to understand why you would support the only candidate in this race who has made it a central issue of his campaign, and why you would attempt to try to shut down any discussion of it.


I made no personal attack against you, if you think I did please send it to a jury it should be hidden as a personal attack. All I want is for us to focus on our candidates positives and encourage other democrats to support him for those reasons.

And since you really want to know here are my positions on campaign finance...

- End Citizens United
- Remove PAC's entirely from the system

What else are you looking for?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
80. See your post #65 in response to my post ON THE ISSUE of money
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jul 2015

in politics where you stated you were 'sick and tired of' people 'mocking' candidates and denying them the right to support 'Hillary'.

That was YOU addressing MY POST on the ISSUE OF MONEY IN POLITICS. Your interpretation being that someone discussing this most important issue with FACTS is 'mocking' and 'denying' people the 'right to support Hillary'.

Which you said you were 'sick of'

Now back to the issue which you still have not addressed so I will again state, and you have had the opportunity to correct anything in my comment regarding Hillary's funding from people like Trump, which so far you have not done, what is your opinion on Bernie Sanders' #1 issue in this campaign, and Joe Biden's opinion that it IS the #1 issue of this campaign, getting the 'corrosive and corrupting Corporate donations OUT of our politics'.

Try to stay focused on the issue, I am not interested in your opinion of me, only interested in ISSUES.

So' hard to keep the focus on one of the most important issues of this campaign. But I will continue to try to do so.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
82. Yes I've seen my post, I wrote it.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jul 2015

And my post HAS NOTHING to do with Hillary, I am sick an tired of people dragging other people's candidates through the mud. That includes but is not limited to:

- Bernie Sanders
- Martin O'Malley
- Hillary Clinton
And what the heck, even...
- Jim Webb

We need to stop tearing people down, it's not going to work. You want to get more people to vote for Sanders? Mocking them, and or belittling them isn't going to get us there.

In reference to Trumps donation to The Clinton Foundation, and or her Senate Campaign honestly not really sure which one you are asking about... Good for him, what's wrong with it? Did he get something back from it? Is there proof there was quid pro quo? Or is this all a bunch of bunk?

Who knows, no one can really accurately answer that question.

Does it seem "shady"? Maybe... But I'm not supporting Hillary so it has little/no effect on me.

Again, I have made no personal attack and have now attempted to answer all your questions. And I still think that posting something unsubstantiated like that gets us no where.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
85. I agree, which is why I stick to the issues as I did in the post
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:42 PM
Jul 2015

you objected to.

Since Money in Politics is one my main reasons for supporting Bernie Sanders, I will be consistently pointing out who big donors to candidates are.

I agree with Joe Biden that 'until we get the money out of politics NOTHING ELSE will be accomplished'.

IF Bernie ever accepts money from someone like Trump, I will be the first to point out how hypocritical that would be and demand that he return it or stop claiming that he wants to see the end of Citizens United.

That is MY standard for MY candidate. And I will apply it as strongly to him as I am now doing and will continue to do to every other candidate.

Money in politics has destroyed our political system, it is the reason we have people like Scott Walker in politics. George Bush, Dick Cheney et al none of whom would stand a chance without the corrupting influence of Corporate money.

People do NOT spend obscene amounts of money on candidates without expecting something in return, which Trump actually stated. The intent of his donation is not hidden by him, and I personally would not accept his money. Nor would Sanders.

Thank you for your responses to the actual issue. I object to all Corporate donations to candidates running for elected office, so don't agree we need to know exactly what they got in return.

We see the bills that have passed Congress favoring Corporate interests and taking from the people. Supported by both Repubs and Dems.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
127. Actually it was a hijack
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:52 PM
Jul 2015

You referred to that poster, characterizing her comments as being against DU posters, when all she really talked about was Clinton and Kissinger ...

I am not sure how you have avoided my ignore list of permanent doom ... You fit the criteria - 'willing to purposely lie on behalf of your preferred candidate, and to 'lie in order to smear a fellow DUer'

That's enough to qualify ... It's your lucky day...

It all comes down to this 'Do I want to maintain relationships, even online relationships, to persons who would willingly and purposely lie?' ... The answer is no ... Gone ...

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
128. So my candidate is Bernie just FYI...
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:26 PM
Jul 2015

If you read the posts you determined make you qualified for your ignore list you'd know that...



Since when is a call for civility a hijack?

 

spqr78

(73 posts)
116. in other words.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:20 PM
Jul 2015

Hey guys. If you tell people to much about Hillary Clinton's history they won't vote for her!

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
88. So true, but on the good side, thanks to eg, OWS, the issue of money
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:01 PM
Jul 2015

in politics has received attention for the first time publicly, and now thanks to Bernie Sanders, and recently Joe Biden (see his warning about this delivered last week where he states it is the most important issue of this campaign) Sanders it has for the first time become a major issue in a political campaign for the WH.

I used to WISH this happen, so we are making progress and polls show it IS a big concern for voters also.

Credit goes to Michael Moore also where in his documentary 'Capitalism A Love Story' he showed how Corporate Lobbyists take to the Capital Bldg with bags of money right after new candidates arrive there. No doubt to ensure they 'understood' what those donations were for.

One scene that made it very clear, he showed members of Congress walking up the steps of the Capital Bldg with labels above their heads showing $$$ signs as the lobbyists walked in along with them.

That doc should be shown to every voter before they decide who they support.

Elizabeth Warren was one of stars of the documentary, and my first introduction to her.

And Marcy Kaptur was featured pointing to Capital Hill confirming the FACT of the buying of our government.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
143. In a way it's more relevant now, because more people are aware
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 10:47 AM
Jul 2015

of issue, and of people like Warren who at the time wasn't known to many people.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
131. I still have problems with Biden's vote to protect the usurous Credit Card Industry
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 03:34 PM
Jul 2015

Last edited Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:33 PM - Edit history (1)

I realize the entire Credit Card Industry is located in his state,
but HOW does one justify supporting 30% interest for low wage earning Americans who are in a bind?
How does he sleep at night?

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
144. Yes, Biden has been good on some issues, but his voting record
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 11:27 AM
Jul 2015

is nowhere near Bernie's on major issues. However the speech he gave last week sounded like a warning to voters. He was very emphatic that it was up to Democrats to stop the flow of money into our campaigns.

Almost as if he has now seen it up close and while he didn't mention Bernie, he sounded just like him.

Made me wonder what Hillary thought of the speech, and why he felt it was so imperative to focus on the money in politics.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
147. LOL
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jul 2015

You haven't been paying attention.
OWS is WORLDWIDE, and sparked some of the Arab Spring uprisings.
OWS has entered the lexicon,
and changing the language is very powerful. Even YOU use words coined by OWS.

Did you notice that at Obama's SOTU BEFORE OWS was all about austerity and "Eat your Peas" for the poor & Middle Classes.
At the SOTU AFTER OWS summer, his SOTU was about Economic Justice...even using some words coined by OWS.
OWS changed the language of the President's SOTU.
That is pretty powerful.

OWS lives on, buying foreclosed properties and returning them to families who lost everything to the "bankers" among other things, feeding hungry people, and advocating for Economic Justice.

OWS was not a single movement, but is a continuation of ALL the Social and Economic movements of the American past....directly related. These movements never die....they emerge in different forms, but always about the same issues.
There will be more, and if not named OWS, they will certainly be directly related.
The movement for justice NEVER dies.




LOL
Those , and there were many at DUwere very,very wrong.

Were you one of those guys?
If so, Hahahahahahahah!



Response to hifiguy (Reply #17)

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
89. How dare you!
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:03 PM
Jul 2015


"Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." -- Henry Kissinger

daybranch

(1,309 posts)
109. We Vietnam veterans who know how Kissinger helped prevent Johnson from ending the war
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:27 PM
Jul 2015

hate him too. Any friend of Kissinger is no friend to the American people. He is plain and simple a traitor whose actions ignored his oath of office, and resulted with the aid of Nixon in years of additional fighting and thousands more deaths of American service men and lives of many more Vietnamese.
But then he is a republican neocon, so lets just excuse him. Shame on you, Hillary.

Response to JEB (Reply #2)

pa28

(6,145 posts)
3. That's part of the decision making process for primary voters.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 09:29 PM
Jul 2015

If you want to see more of Henry Kissinger, Lloyd Blankfein, Larry Summers and John McCain taking part in policy discussion vote for Hillary Clinton.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
5. She didn't call him a "dear friend," she called him a friend. And yes, she's trying to
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:01 PM
Jul 2015

work across the aisle, to say vaguely positive, even "diplomatic" things about him, and some people can't stand that. But that's why she could be Secretary of State and they couldn't.

And I remember when one of Ted Kennedy's actual best friends was Orrin Hatch, and no one seemed to hold that against him.

And I bet you are among Ruth Ginsburg's strong admirers (as am I) even though she is so close to the loathsome Scalia that they take vacations together.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
7. Hillary contributed financially to Bernie's campaign.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:08 PM
Jul 2015

he must be as big a sack of shit as Hillary for co mingling with her and letting her guide his entrance into the Senate.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
10. Calling him a "defender of human rights" is vaguely positive?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:19 PM
Jul 2015

Sounds like an outright lie to me.

That phrase has never crossed my mind when I hear Kissinger's name.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
20. Calling him a "defender of human rights"
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:50 PM
Jul 2015

goes way beyond diplomacy and it's an outright lie and not a phrase she needed to use - she could have refrained from saying anything. All it shows is that she's willing to sweep his crimes under the rug.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
18. Neither Orrin Hatch nor Scalia
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:33 PM
Jul 2015

was directly responsible for the deaths of millions. They are merely wrong-headed assholes. BIG difference.

Kissinger's record makes Cheney look good by comparison.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
21. How many people will die due to Medicaid not expanding?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:52 PM
Jul 2015

How many would have if Obamacare had gone down completely? Scalia sure as heck is responsible for deaths.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
26. Are you serious? Really?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:59 PM
Jul 2015

The four years of unspeakable barbarism inflicted on the Vietnamese by Kissinger and Nixon actually killed more than a million people. Thousands were tortured and executed in Chile by their chosen dictator, Pinochet.

And she listens to his counsel? Better to get cooking tips from Hannibal Lecter.

dsc

(52,166 posts)
31. I am not minimizing Kissinger
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:07 PM
Jul 2015

but you sure were implying Scalia has no blood whatsoever on his hands. Well that is crap.

SusanaMontana41

(3,233 posts)
105. Call it "diplomacy" if you want. No matter how you spin it, schmoozing with a war criminal is not OK.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:00 PM
Jul 2015

This isn't about HRC in particular. She's not the first. A recent example is The Bush Crime Family. And they weren't the first, either.

What is the justification for it? What is the payoff? What is the upside? I can't think of one.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
74. So tell me,
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jul 2015

How is lying about someone being "diplomatic?"

Kissinger is NO defender of human rights in any sense of the phrase.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
76. One can be "diplomatic" without actually praising the person. I think she was being "political".
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 11:55 AM
Jul 2015

She knows that those with a lot of power (the Oligarchs), love this evil man that wielded so much power. I think he might have helped in the decision to kill innocent Iraqi people. It's a sickness.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
153. ....and CHamberlain was "just" being diplomatic...
Mon Jul 27, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jul 2015

...when he negotiated "Peace in our Time" before WW2.



Clue" Monsters do NOT "negotiate".
Kissinger was and IS a MONSTER guilty of MILLIONS of the deaths of innocents.

1monster

(11,012 posts)
44. And don't forget about Cambodia. That whole fiasco caused the deaths of at least
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:28 PM
Jul 2015

two million people... and those deaths can be directly traced to Kissinger.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
117. Reagan gave us al Qaeda, The Little Chimp gave us ISIS
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:28 PM
Jul 2015

but decades before, Henry the K gave the world Pol Pot. Two million dead.

Luminous Animal

(27,310 posts)
22. Okay. He's just a very good friend.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:56 PM
Jul 2015

DISTINGUISHED INTERNATIONAL LEADERSHIP AWARD ATLANTICCOUNCIL ATLANTIC COUNCIL- MAY 1, 2013
Thank you very much, Henry. That was incredibly generous. It means a great deal to me personally. Henry's been a very good friend and a very willing counselor over the course of my tenure as Secretary of State. He's also going to be celebrating a birthday this spring, so an early Happy Birthday. But he truly is such a remarkably astute and indefatigable presence in the world. He got up here and tried to pretend that when he goes places people talk to him about me. (Laughter) That was such an unusual statement coming from Henry, it should be recorded for posterity (Laughter), but the fact is that everywhere I go people talk to me about Henry, and I'm always pleased to hear that, because he is still out there every week, every month traveling around the world trying to work with and encourage leaders to think beyond their own narrow and oftentimes destructive self-interests. So his friendship and advice has been indispensable to me.


http://www.womenspeecharchive.org/women/profile/speech/index.cfm?ProfileID=65&SpeechID=3294&printfriendly=1

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
25. I believe her friendship extends beyond merely collegial.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:58 PM
Jul 2015

I believe her admiration is genuine.

I speak only for myself and my own perceptions.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
55. I think she treats him the same way she treats Putin. On the surface, they're friendly
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:43 AM
Jul 2015

and say nice things about each other. This is how diplomatic people behave.

But she doesn't really trust him and he's not really a friend.

pnwmom

(108,990 posts)
86. If that's how you want to put it. I view it as her staying open to the possibility
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:56 PM
Jul 2015

that he sometimes has useful information. It's up to her what she does with it.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
9. Re: depopulation...he referred to .."useless eaters".
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jul 2015

And, now we know what we need to know about Mrs. Clinton.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
12. I'd say we know quite enough to draw conclusions.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:24 PM
Jul 2015

Her chosen associations would gag a vulture.

And Chimpy has said he thinks of her as a sister-in-law.

How fucking blind can people BE?

Erich Bloodaxe BSN

(14,733 posts)
83. Don't forget David Coe.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:25 PM
Jul 2015

Her 'spiritual mentor', at least at one point in time. Not sure if she still thinks of him that way. But Dominionism is in that toxic brew as well.

 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
11. An (apocryphal) quote:
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:20 PM
Jul 2015

Satire died the day they awarded Henry Kissinger the Nobel Peace Prize.

-- Widely (but incorrectly) attributed to Tom Lehrer.

Thespian2

(2,741 posts)
14. Kissinger should be
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:27 PM
Jul 2015

rotting in jail...before he has a chance to burn in Hell...Like W, a mass murderer of the first rank...

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
15. Henry Kissinger should be rotting in jail.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 10:29 PM
Jul 2015

If Hillary Clinton does not understand that, if she truly counts him as a friend, then she does not understand the world the way I do, and she has no business being in the White House.

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
37. Well, she also misjudged Dubya's intentions with the IWR
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:19 PM
Jul 2015

I detect a pattern here.

Either she's "shading the truth" or she's demonstrating a recurring failure to effectively judge character.

If I were a supporter, I wouldn't brag about either scenario.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
56. Earlier today I was with a friend,
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:55 AM
Jul 2015

a woman my age (we're both 66) and she expressed unbridled support for Hillary, because of wanting to see a woman in the White House. I pointed out some of Ms. Clinton's flaws, and my friend said she'd look into it more closely. I know she will, because if nothing else I know she trusts my judgement. If she comes out still supporting Hillary, then darn, but she at least looked more closely.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
92. Yes ...we must look to the future. No point in dwelling on past friends or associates.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:12 PM
Jul 2015
It's just some folks.
 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
100. Dismissing completely the very significant question posed in the OP...
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:01 PM
Jul 2015

highly suggests you have absolutely no issue, qualms, or any level of concern wrt to HRC's relationship with Kissinger as a close friend/confidant/advisor.. certainly would be (officially or unofficially) a member of her cabinet or advisors.

The very clear point of the OP requests a specific response from her supporters on that matter alone. Your bizarre snark completely ignored the question.

One could be compelled to draw the obvious conclusion, but I wanted to give you an opportunity to make your feelings/thoughts/position clear as regards the question of Kissinger playing any role in HRC's foreign policy decisions.

George II

(67,782 posts)
102. How patronizing of you!
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:21 PM
Jul 2015

"I wanted to give you an opportunity to make your feelings/thoughts/position clear"?????

And presumptuous, too!

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
107. Ok. Pardon Me.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 04:11 PM
Jul 2015

Please allow me to apologize for my transgressions and if you would please spare a moment in addressing the question?

What are your thoughts with regard to Kissinger playing such a significant and important role in HRC's group of foreign policy advisors?

Thanks in advance!

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
141. ok, George, from a third party in the conversation: how do you feel about hillary's warm thoughts
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 12:01 AM
Jul 2015

towards a known war criminal, who can't travel as much as he used to because of pesky international warrants out for him and such?

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
150. Shit, there are people here who would apologize for HRC
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 07:38 PM
Jul 2015

if she were shown to be president of the Martin Bormann fan club. Which needless to say she is not.

Were the rules of Nuremberg applied to Kissinger he would have been hanged thirty years ago. And that a Democratic candidate expresses such open and unqualified admiration for a known, wanted WAR CRIMINAL is more than slightly disturbing. But apparently it is of no consequence to many people. I wonder why that is?

RufusTFirefly

(8,812 posts)
47. Yes! As long as people remain fooled or ignorant, the truth is irrelevant!
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:34 PM
Jul 2015

Perception rules! Facts are so 20th century!

Henry Kissinger is a valued part of Our American Heritage. Much like the Confederate battle flag.

You tell 'em, Georgie!

George II

(67,782 posts)
111. Well, if the topic of the thread really is "do you like Kissinger", why drag in Hillary Clinton?
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jul 2015

I read through some of the links, especially the Mother Jones story. Unfortunately the OP pulled out the WORST (and subjective) parts of that article on which to base a Clinton hit piece. He/she conveniently neglected to mention any of the things about Clinton where she ISN'T his "friend", or as has been portrayed here falsely, "GOOD friend".

I'm sure I could dig up some dirt about the "other" candidate and go on for paragraphs and paragraphs, but that's not my style and it doesn't accomplish anything positive.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
121. Because her friendship with him is the topic of the thread.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:42 PM
Jul 2015
"Henry's been a very good friend and a very willing counselor over the course of my tenure as Secretary of State. He's also going to be celebrating a birthday this spring, so an early Happy Birthday. But he truly is such a remarkably astute and indefatigable presence in the world. He got up here and tried to pretend that when he goes places people talk to him about me. (Laughter) That was such an unusual statement coming from Henry, it should be recorded for posterity (Laughter), but the fact is that everywhere I go people talk to me about Henry, and I'm always pleased to hear that, because he is still out there every week, every month traveling around the world trying to work with and encourage leaders to think beyond their own narrow and oftentimes destructive self-interests. So his friendship and advice has been indispensable to me."


You're trying to shut down the conversation because you can't dismiss or defend her own words.

George II

(67,782 posts)
123. Every time someone disagrees with you (or disagrees with an anti-Hillary hit piece), the story is...
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:31 PM
Jul 2015

"You're trying to shut down the conversation." That's blatantly false - where can you find any inkling in my posts that I'm trying to shut down the conversation?????

But the OP conveniently ignores these excerpts from the Mother Jones article:

“She does add that she and Henry "have often seen the world and some of our challenges quite differently, and advocated different responses now and in the past." “

“She served on the staff of the House judiciary committee, which voted to impeach Nixon; one of the articles of impeachment drafted by the staff (but which was not approved) slammed Nixon for covering up the bombing in Cambodia.”

Unfortunately some people desperately need to come up with negative things about the woman, who has been involved in national politics for more than two decades. Its sad that to do so right-wing talking points to do so.

Using the circular logic used here, how about this - several times Donald Trump has mentioned that "she was the worst SoS in our history" - so, if I were to use your and other Sanders' followers' logic, I could say "Bernie Sanders' campaign aligns with Donald Trump"!

Is that fair?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
125. Because you're trying to disrupt.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jul 2015

Your very first post in this thread was "Keep digging..this stuff isn't going to make up 40 points!"

This "stuff" as you refer to it is obviously important to many DUers, the fact that you don't like the quotes and info in the op doesn't mean it's an "anti-Hillary hit piece".


Unfortunately some people desperately need to come up with negative things about the woman


And unfortunately for you we don't have to "come up" with anything, her words and record are coming back to bite her on the ass.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
93. Ah ...another Hillary supporter that has no problem with her friend ...Kissinger.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:15 PM
Jul 2015

Good to know where her supporters stand with war criminals.

PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
137. Yeah, but look at what the guy said. Geez. Talking about how the priority of our
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 08:17 PM
Jul 2015

foreign policy should be to depopulate the Third World so we don't have all those 'useless eaters.'

That's just...I mean, how can we even find the words to express pure disgust.

And he has Clinton's ear...

I think Bernie might be making up those points.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
119. If a photo of HRC and Cheney eating live kittens turned up
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:35 PM
Jul 2015

somehow, though I doubt one will, some would still not believe it. The denial and delusion is as thick as the humidity in the rainforest.

PatrickforO

(14,586 posts)
48. So now we know the Kissinger plan for people in the Third World -
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:43 PM
Jul 2015

"depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World."

Geez.

I guess depopulation sounds great unless you're one of the ones chosen for 'depopulation.'

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
51. Henry Kissinger is a War Criminal. I would not be able to be polite to him
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:24 AM
Jul 2015

if I ever met him, let alone consider him a 'friend'.

So Hillary supports minorities? Has she ever listened to the victims, the people whose loved ones were murdered and tortured and disappeared by Kissinger's friend Pinochet?

Sometimes I think there is no hope for this country, but then I think of Bernie and though I know they will do everything in their power to stop him, he gives me a glimmer of hope.

Fuddnik

(8,846 posts)
61. Clinton has her own little Chile in Honduras.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:56 AM
Jul 2015

Not on a grand Kissinger scale, but it looks like Henry took her training wheels off.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
63. We are all in a big way defined by who and what we support
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 09:15 AM
Jul 2015

and she obviously has no qualms about the guilt by association she hung around her neck with that one...

jalan48

(13,879 posts)
68. Kissinger was involved with the overthrow of Allende and the rise of the fascist Pinochet in Chile.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 10:12 AM
Jul 2015

He's a war criminal like Bush. Maybe these folks all belong to the same party.

tclambert

(11,087 posts)
78. Hey, Kissinger won a Nobel Peace Prize for ending the Vietnam War.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 12:00 PM
Jul 2015

Too bad it came two years before the war actually ended with a completely different outcome from what he helped negotiate.

 

L0oniX

(31,493 posts)
90. "Military men are just dumb stupid animals to be used as pawns in foreign policy." - Henry Kissinger
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:06 PM
Jul 2015

So uhm ...Hey Hillary ...you're pals with this sociopath?

 

staggerleem

(469 posts)
95. Even given all of the above ...
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 01:56 PM
Jul 2015

... I'd STILL be more comfortable with Hillary in the White House than Scott Walker, or JEB!, or Rubio.

All that means is the Bernie had better win the Primary - with billions behind the Republican candidate, not voting in the General Election is not an option.

 

Comrade Grumpy

(13,184 posts)
101. Hillary and Dr. Strangelove are foreign policy birds of a feather.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jul 2015

Her foreign policy positions are my single strongest reason for disliking her.

R. P. McMurphy

(835 posts)
110. If we can't have Bernie for President then Hillary . . .
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 05:18 PM
Jul 2015

is definitely the lesser of the Fascio-Corporate evils!

FEEL THE BERN!

McKim

(2,412 posts)
112. My Brother in Law Died in Vietnam Because of the Prolonged War
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 06:51 PM
Jul 2015

My brother in law died in Vietnam because the war was prolonged. It is a good thing that Henry Kissinger had to flee the Ritz Hotel in Paris a few years ago. Interpol was coming for him as a war criminal. A shame he can't shop there with Nancy anymore.

So, I also have been noticing the nice things that Hillary has said about Kissinger over the years, and this, along with her Iraq War vote that sent our boys and girls to die and get maimed for a lie.

All my compaign cash and hopes will go with Senator Sanders.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
115. I am sorry you lost your bil, McKim.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 07:12 PM
Jul 2015

My brother got sent to Ramadi, he made it back but won't ever be the same.

Some things can't be forgiven and forgotten, nor should they.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
124. K&R.
Fri Jul 24, 2015, 08:37 PM
Jul 2015

Had to read his first book, Nuclear Weapons and Foreign Policy in college in a government class. It was awful. It has been many, many years, over 50, but if I recall correctly it suggested that war and rivalry between Russia (then the USSR) and the US was practically unavoidable because of our geography.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
134. Your delusion level is extraordinary.
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:31 PM
Jul 2015

Few things are as revealing as the character of the people one voluntary chooses to associate with.

Ever hear the old adage "Lie down with the dogs and you get up with fleas"?

Kissinger isn't just another ex-government official. He is a wanted war criminal in many countries. Your candidate calls a WANTED WAR CRIMINAL a good friend.

Nuff said, I think.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
136. I didn't give a flying fuck when the right wing was upset Obama paled around with Alinsky......
Sat Jul 25, 2015, 04:47 PM
Jul 2015

And at some point there's going to be an association of Bernie has made that is unsavory and you know what I'm going to care about it? 0 fucks will be given.

madokie

(51,076 posts)
149. I don't
Sun Jul 26, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jul 2015

want her anywhere close to the oval office.

Read my sig line for an explanation of where I stand though

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