Jefferson Jackson Dinners

[RobertEarl]

In a recent post, a Hillary supporter touted that Hillary was keynote speaker at an Arkansas dinner party that are most important events for state Democratic Parties annually.

Now think back to the times when Jefferson and Jackson were presidents. That was a time of slavery and the taking of native lands. The Democratic party at the time of the civil war was the main supporter of slavery and the taking of lands.

The party these days is not the same, yet the most important event for state Democratic Parties annually are events that tout these old days and the old ways.

It is time that we do away with such events. Such events are like waving the confederate flag in the faces of the oppressed.

[JI7]

1. lol

[RobertEarl]

2. yeah

I wonder how many Black and Native American people get invited to these big money raising vestiges of the old party events?

And did Bernie get invited? Would he go, if invited?

[brooklynite]

9. Bernie was happy to show up at a top dollar fundraiser for DSCC...

[Tanuki]

31. Since you don't know much about the subject, you might like to see some pictures

of last year's Louisiana Jefferson-Jackson dinner. You no longer have to wonder, as you will see plenty of people of color on the podium and in the audience. They seem to be having a good time, despite your disapproval.
http://makedapetersonphotography.zenfolio.com/jeffjackdinner2014

[RobertEarl]

32. Yes, well

Louisiana is so progressive, isn't it? ...... NO.

Lets just call it the 'Last Supper" why don't we?

Maybe next to last?

Anyway, you seem so wise, tell us why they do call it the Jefferson Jackson?

[Tanuki]

33. They call it that because Jeff and Jack are regarded as the founders of the

Democratic Party.

[RobertEarl]

35. Thanks. That makes sense.

But that was the old party. We live in different times. Out with the Old in with the New.

The vestiges of slavery and Indian dispersal matter in that we need to separate ourselves from such evil thinking.

They're dead, Jim. Lets make progress, shall we? JFK is the founder of our new way of thinking, let's not let the past hold us down and make it seem like we are stuck on slavery, shall we? Don't you think?

When all is said and done, neither J or J thought Black Lives Matter, right?

[hedda_foil]

53. Why? I can tell you in one.word. Tradition!

&list=RDgRdfX7ut8gw

[RobertEarl]

55. Anti-Traditionista here!! n/t

[RobertEarl]

3. Should be a BLM target

All these Jefferson Jackson state party fundraisers should have a real loud BLM presence.

[JaneyVee]

4. How about just renaming it?

[RobertEarl]

5. Good idea

Renaming these events would be excellent.

I wonder why the party leaders, like the Clintons, haven't done just that. Are they ignorant of the history? I find it rather shameful to have such big events under such racist banners.

[JaneyVee]

6. Stop trying to make DU suck.

[zappaman]

7. Trying?

[RobertEarl]

8. Eh? What's that all about?

I am a student of history and a party member who just now became cognizant of these events and their underpinnings - thank you Janey and George - and I am appalled that my party would carry on in such a fashion.

If it wasn't for DU, this may have never really come to a head like this. DU rocks!!

[wyldwolf]

11. So you're a recent student of history. You have to start somewhere.

[RobertEarl]

14. Recent?

Where did you get that from my post? That word was not in my post.

Are you telling us that you knew all along that the party was using the names of a slave owner and a traitor to the Indians as a way to raise big money, and you never even considered that is like flying the confederate flag?

[wyldwolf]

15. "who just now became cognizant of these events" = recent student

[RobertEarl]

16. Cognizant of the JJ dinners

So you have known all along and you just looked the other way; as if Black lives don't really matter because: money. Like Hillary did?

I look forward to the day they at least pick some decent name. Something like, oh, I don't know, maybe... JFK.

I find the name of such dinners to be regressive and a slap in the face to modern Democrats. Don't you think?

[wyldwolf]

17. One of the most well-known things about the Democratic party

[RobertEarl]

18. If you are an operative

Otherwise it's just manure. And points out quite well that the establishment democrats are indeed living in the distant, slave owning, past.

[wyldwolf]

20. You're showing your lack of knowledge

Student of history indeed.

[RobertEarl]

23. Getting personal is all you have?

Yeah, I'm no professor, just a student.

Yet you come on like a professor, and all this time... even now.... you are fine with the party using these names as a drawing card to raise big money?

[wyldwolf]

26. Stating a fact.

[RobertEarl]

28. Thanks for the kicks

It would have been nice if you were also interested in an honest discussion. Oh well, can't have everything.

[okasha]

37. And you fail the course.

Andrew Jackson was a genocidal imperialist, but he wasn't "a traitor to the Indians."
We don't own him; he was never one of us. The honor of being a traitor goes to his accomplice, Sam Houston.

And yes, I want his name off these dinners, his face off the $20.00 bill and his statue out of Jackson Square.

I'm sure you've been pro active on the last two issues, given your Obvious Deep Concern for Native Americans. Perhaps you can offer some news on the latest effort in that direction.

[RobertEarl]

42. Right on

You: "...yes, I want his name off these dinners, his face off the $20.00 bill and his statue out of Jackson Square."

You are the latest convert that I know of, but then, I'm just a student, not a professor.

[okasha]

43. Convert?

Uh, no.

[Agschmid]

40. Getting personal...

Lol did you read your previous posts?

[sufrommich]

24. Bernie Sanders will be attending the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in Louisiana

on the 20th of this month. I believe that's a southern state with a slave owning past.

[RobertEarl]

27. That's awful

He should back out. Or he should speak and tell them to quit being so regressive as to use such figure heads in the 21st century.

[Gothmog]

36. You do realize that Southern states elect delegates to DNC

Sanders is going to be a difficult sell at the best of times in the South and his supporters attacking Southern Democratic party fundraisers is a good way to endear Sanders to these voters. If Sanders wants to be the nominee, then he needs to win support in states other than Iowa and New Hampshire.

I personally like Sanders and was considering attending a Sanders event on Wednesday time permitting. Good luck in broadening Sanders' appeal outside Iowa and New Hampshire

[RobertEarl]

38. This is a party matter

Not a campaign item. YMMV.

I believe BLM. The two names at the head of these dinners did not.

Time to do away with them as leaders in anyway shape or form. Don't you think?

[Gothmog]

50. No, I disagree

No I do not agree. I am a party leader in my county and we have traditions that are important. I really do not care what you think about these party functions.

You do realize that there are democrats in the South and we are working hard to win our states. Some parties honor Jefferson and others look to other past democratic leaders. In Harris County, the big annual fundraiser for the Harris County party is the Johnson Rayburn Richards Dinner. The Texas State party big dinner is the Johnson Jordan dinner. I really do not care what you think about LBJ or other past Democratic leaders.

You are entitled to your opinion and I am free to disagree with this opinion

[Joe the Revelator]

13. So you took an Intro to US History class...and not want to get rid of JJD?

[JaneyVee]

19. You know what? I support your cause. Lead the way on this, and...

I will have your back. Take up this name-changing cause. Lets do this!

[RobertEarl]

21. Of course you do

It makes perfect sense to quit using the old party's antiquated names.

JFK would be much more apropos. He was like the first BLM President, eh?

[JaneyVee]

22. Lets just rename it the Clinton-Obama dinner.

[okasha]

34. Oh, snap!

[Joe the Revelator]

12. Oh FFS....Have you ever been to a JJD dinner?

Take a breath.

[wyldwolf]

25. he thinks It's only for operatives

We used to give the activists who knocked on the most doors and generally did the best job organizing tickets to the JJ Dinner. I guess that meant we were indoctrinating them.

[Joe the Revelator]

30. Right? That's how I use to get in.

This op is silly.

[RobertEarl]

29. What does it cost?

How much for dinner?

Are poor people allowed?

[brooklynite]

10. Okay - name a Democrat you would find acceptable...

[Agschmid]

39. Kick...

But not because I agree, just for the sheer bewilderment I get from this post.

[SidDithers]

41. Yup...

this thread is all kinds of awesome.

Sid

[RobertEarl]

44. Two, count 'em, two..

Two of my net nannies in one thread!!

What is not awesome is that anyone on DU would condone using the names of two people who did not believe BLM, as a way to raise money.

[Tanuki]

48. Did you know that James Clyburn was the keynote speaker last year at the

Virginia J-J dinner? You apparently think he must not believe that BLM.

If you are interested in what really goes on, take a look at what it was all about:
http://www.roanoke.com/news/rep-james-clyburn-addresses-jefferson-jackson-day-dinner-crowd/article_bc0c048c-f9bd-11e3-a501-0017a43b2370.html

[RobertEarl]

49. Clyburn

What that man has tolerated in his career makes him a hero. When the SC governor made the announcement that the flag was coming down, he was on her right shoulder. It only took him 50 years to get 'er done. He has the patience most of us would only dream of having.

You should ask him what he thinks about Jackson. I'm pretty sure he would side with me: Jackson needs to go!

[okasha]

45. You know,

I don't think I've ever seen anything quite like it before.

[brer cat]

46. !

RobertEarl: "Why do I post on DU? To help change history."

[RobertEarl]

47. Jackson is bad news for Dems

Time we got rid of any vestige of any recognition that he is someone to be looked up too.

BLM to me. Onward, upward, let's make progress!!

[John Poet]

51. I was just thinking to myself the other day,

it's time to change the name of the "Jefferson-Jackson Day" dinners....

[RobertEarl]

52. Yes. It is time for change

I just found out about this and man it makes me sad.

[merrily]

54. Jury results.

(post about Jefferson/Jackson actually alerted on was self-deleted, but it was along the lines of the OP)

On Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:02 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

ALERT
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=467470

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The poster is running around and dropping this bomb in multiple threads around DU. We don't need bomb throwers self aggrandizing their own posts across the forum.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue Jul 21, 2015, 11:12 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Jefferson/Jackson. Factually correct. Leave it.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: That Jefferson and Jackson were slaveowners is a historical fact. What if the poster has posted it more than once?
Also, alerter, if your real complaint is a pattern, you have to give jurors links.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Sorry alerter, not enough here to warrant a hide. Is his claim true? If so, it shouldn't be hidden. If not, debunk it. That's the way forums like these work.

[RobertEarl]

56. Connecticut Democrats made the change

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141155917

HARTFORD — Prompted by the national controversy over the Confederate flag, the state Democratic Party voted unanimously Wednesday night to change the name of its annual fundraising dinner and strip the names of two slave-owning American presidents.

For the past 67 years, the dinner has contained the names of Democratic presidents Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson. In later years, Democrats included famed former party boss John Bailey, and the annual event became widely known as the Jefferson-Jackson-Bailey Dinner.
<snip>

"Let's work together to show the rest of the state exactly what it means to be a Connecticut Democrat,'' party Chairman Nicholas Balletto said before introducing the resolution.

In part, the resolution said, "As members of the Democratic Party, we are proud of our history as the party of inclusion. Democrats have led the way on civil rights, LGBT equality and equal rights for women. … It is only fitting that the name of the party's most visible annual event reflects our dedication to diversity and forward-looking vision.''

[blitzen]

57. Just got an e-mail from Bernie inviting me to Jefferson-Jackson Dinner in New Orleans...

It's true, he'll proudly be there.

I'm not sure what your point is, but whatever it is, it's not really fair to single out Hillary for criticism.

[RobertEarl]

58. Clintons, since 1992, have lead the party

They now are experiencing a teachable moment.

I look forward to Hillary's pronouncement of how much she is in favor of this progress.

[brooklynite]

59. No - it's time to rename them...

..."Jefferson-Jackson" is a pro-forma name, in honor of the fact that they are seen as Democratic Party founders. There is no actual honoring of either. These are fundraising events for the State Parties. Considering the number of people who want a return of Howard Dean and the 50 State Strategy, what would be your alternative funding approach?

[RobertEarl]

60. Yes

We know the party was founded by slave holders.

But that was then, this is now. Now the party is against slavery.

This is mere progress. A small step, but a noteworthy and correct step. I find it rather weird that anyone would be objecting.