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Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 05:44 PM Jul 2015

The last few days have given me heartburn here

On the one hand, I wish some Bernie supporters would stop telling black people what's good for them - it's embarrassing and not helpful in the slightest to winning over the AA vote. I suggest sitting back and listening outside of DU without the helpful explanation of what's wrong with their version of Manhattan. There are AA Bernie supporters here that I would suggest allowing to run point if you feel you must.

On the other hand, I'm annoyed and/or amused at the Rachel Dolezalization of DU; miraculously all of these Hillary supporters are now the spokesmen for BLM.
I went back today to read threads on BLM shutting down highways and at least a few people are consistent on their stances about BLM protests.

And with that, another thread on this topic has entered the sphere.





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The last few days have given me heartburn here (Original Post) Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 OP
Get some Rolaids .. Trajan Jul 2015 #1
"the Rachel Dolezalization of DU" beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #2
Thanks Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #10
that made me snicker as well m-lekktor Jul 2015 #15
Thank you Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #19
Both sides should slow down on the knee-jerk posting. blm Jul 2015 #3
Telling Bernie supporters what's good for them seveneyes Jul 2015 #4
Interesting post. Might I go out on a limb and suggest that DU is a discussion forum where folks still_one Jul 2015 #5
This has become a discussion board in name only Capt. Obvious Jul 2015 #9
That is a valid point, and I would go as far to say it is worse than it was in 2008. I don't know still_one Jul 2015 #11
I haven't seen any DU'ers claiming or acting as "spokesmen for BLM". In fact, I personally sent KittyWampus Jul 2015 #6
The Captain is not mocking you. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #7
The point about O'malley supporters is important JI7 Jul 2015 #8
Because to some, Jamaal510 Jul 2015 #20
"I wish some Bernie supporters would stop telling black people what's good for them" wyldwolf Jul 2015 #12
"miraculously all of these Hillary supporters are now the spokesmen for BLM." beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #13
nope, didn't miss it. wyldwolf Jul 2015 #14
More hypocritical and divisive my side is better than your side bullshit. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #16
much of it is complete bullshit Skittles Jul 2015 #17
Exactly. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #18

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
15. that made me snicker as well
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:32 PM
Jul 2015

your posts are always good. many go wooooooosh right over many people's heads. lol

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
19. Thank you
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 09:11 PM
Jul 2015

I think I've said elsewhere that sometimes I'm the only one who gets my humor and I'm okay with that.

blm

(113,067 posts)
3. Both sides should slow down on the knee-jerk posting.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 05:50 PM
Jul 2015

Not everything is a personal attack on you or your candidate. Listen, process, think, then post.

still_one

(92,243 posts)
5. Interesting post. Might I go out on a limb and suggest that DU is a discussion forum where folks
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 05:54 PM
Jul 2015

express different views. I do not think anyone is telling anyone what is good for them as much as they are expressing their view.

I agree with your Racial(Rachel) Delegalization of DU observation, though I would add that I suspect that is not unique to Hillary supporters, but include folks supporting other candidates as well.

One thing I would like to see, and maybe I missed it, is either someone who attended the town hall, or someone from BLM to relate their perspective of the recent events.

Otherwise, I suspect most of us will sit as Monday morning quarterbacks

Capt. Obvious

(9,002 posts)
9. This has become a discussion board in name only
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 07:51 PM
Jul 2015

It's devolved into trolling "the other side" and plotting various "revenge schemes."

That's fine if that's what the community wants but at least be honest about it. The self important walls of text that have no point but to troll the "enemy" and receive high fives from "their team" don't make this a discussion board; it makes it the old Meta forum. (which looking back actually served a valuable function)

And yes I won't argue that Dolezalization is limited to one group but the last few days is the focus of my OP.

still_one

(92,243 posts)
11. That is a valid point, and I would go as far to say it is worse than it was in 2008. I don't know
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:06 PM
Jul 2015

if most on DU have that mindset or just a small fraction who happen to make the most noise.

After the primaries are over we better become united.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
6. I haven't seen any DU'ers claiming or acting as "spokesmen for BLM". In fact, I personally sent
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:02 PM
Jul 2015

a Bernie Sanders supporter to their website, Facebook page, twitter account when he demanded an answer from them.

You have a problem with those of us (and I am NOT A HILLARY SUPPORTER) who call out those who want to tell black people how and when they may protest? Really? You want to mock us as if we're Rachel D? You might want to rethink that.

How is it, those of us who support Martin O'Malley didn't have a freaking meltdown over the weekend?

Why is that?

Why is it the OWS and Codepink and Greenpeace can get support on DU but black protestors who are in extreme pain get trashed cause some Bernie supporters are butthurt they wore their Robinhood hats to a fringe convention and didn't get to hear their hero's canned stump speech.

Blah!

Edit- and I've also said on DU I am actually ambivalent about the BLM protest this weekend.

But they need media exposure and they grabbed it in an easy to penetrate venue the same way Bernie Sanders might have done 50 years ago.

EDit 2- I don't even know if the protestors were actually protesting the 2 candidates as much as trying to express their frustration and anger and get heard.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
7. The Captain is not mocking you.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:06 PM
Jul 2015

Asking both sides to stop and consider how their actions are affecting others is not an attack.

Jesus Christ.

Way to miss the point and make it all about you.

JI7

(89,252 posts)
8. The point about O'malley supporters is important
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 06:12 PM
Jul 2015

I like sanders the best but am turned off by the way some of his supporters treat minorities with the demands and lectures.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
20. Because to some,
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 10:26 PM
Jul 2015
Why is it the OWS and Codepink and Greenpeace can get support on DU but black protestors who are in extreme pain get trashed cause some Bernie supporters are butthurt they wore their Robinhood hats to a fringe convention and didn't get to hear their hero's canned stump speech.


it's fine to have Black issues overshadowed as well as hold Pres. O's feet to the fire, but not their preferred 2016 candidate. Posters on DKos framed the BLM protests as "attacking allies", which I found to be strange since whenever Obama got heckled/interrupted over the years, these same people talked about him needing to be challenged and the voices of the protestors at his events needing to be heard.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
12. "I wish some Bernie supporters would stop telling black people what's good for them"
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:11 PM
Jul 2015

That's a hallmark of the white-led 'progressive' movement.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
13. "miraculously all of these Hillary supporters are now the spokesmen for BLM."
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:13 PM
Jul 2015

Did you miss that part?

The op is being equally critical.

wyldwolf

(43,867 posts)
14. nope, didn't miss it.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:26 PM
Jul 2015

the difference is no Clinton supporter actually believes he/she is their spokesman. All of them I've read are giving their opinions on the situation.

Progressive supporters of outsider candidates (not just referring to Sanders) honestly believe they know what's best for people.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
16. More hypocritical and divisive my side is better than your side bullshit.
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jul 2015
All of them I've read are giving their opinions on the situation.


Everyone who posts here is giving their opinion, and HC supporters also believe they know what's best for us.


Skittles

(153,169 posts)
17. much of it is complete bullshit
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 08:50 PM
Jul 2015

the assumption is if you didn't care for that ridiculous shout-down tactic, you HAVE to be a Hillary / Bernie fanboy - not a lot of critical thinking going on all around

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