Black lives matter

[ibegurpard]

No buts. I don't give a shit who your candidate is. That is all.

[TM99]

1. No buts.

However, now what?

What do we do to engage all of our allies in the Democratic party to help us set goals, find tools, and enact policies that will confirm that black lives matter?

That is what I am ready to hear. The rage and fear has fueled the protest. That is excellent. Now let us harness it and work for some real change.

[truebrit71]

2. ALL lives matter....

...and the only way to insure that happens is to work TOGETHER....

[ibegurpard]

4. you don't get it

Try harder

[truebrit71]

8. Oh I get it alright....ALL LIVES MATTER...

And the only way to make that happen is to work TOGETHER.

You go ahead and keep on attacking people that want to help you and see how far you get...

We are ALL in this together, and the sooner we figure that out, the better....

[ibegurpard]

10. white people don't walk around with a perpetual target on their back

Saying "all lives matter" to this is minimizing it. I'm white and I am enraged by the shit that's been going on. We aren't part of this. All we can do is add our voices to the chorus tgat says "enough."

[truebrit71]

12. So ONLY black people get murdered by police?

ONLY black people get profiled or harrassed?

That's bullshit.

ALL lives matter because ALL of us will benefit when the police are de-militarized, ALL of us will benefit when the playing field is leveled, ALL of us will benefit when institutionalized racism becomes a thing of the past. But ALL of us will have to be a part of the solution and you don't help that cause by ambushing people that are on your side....

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

28. Not all, but most.

And it is bullshit. On the part of the police.

As is the #NotAll..... derailing argument.

There are very few absolutes in the universe. Pretty much everyone out here knows that the answer to rhetorical questions about absolutist strawmen statements is that yes, there are exceptions.

But the reason we generally talk about rape of women by men is that the vast majority of rapes are men raping women, not women raping men, even though in some rare instances that does happen.

And the reason we talk about black people being killed by police is that the vast majority of people being killed by police are black.

And yes, if we stop the practices that lead to black people being killed by cops, white people will benefit too.

[Little Star]

13. What you said!!!!!....

[Little Star]

20. When I see young white men being slaughtered by police even close to the rate..

of young black men I might consider what you are selling.

Don't you get that taking that phrase and including white persons diminishes the meaning of their movement?
It does, and that's what they are objecting to. Not that all lives don't matter, but the fact is they have particular issues that white persons don't experience.

Can we not just support them without trying to co-op their movement?

[ibegurpard]

21. Yes we can

And I'm getting really tired of people scrambling for a political advantage over this. It should and does transcend politics. Any candidate who thinks they're going to be able to make hay out of this instead of listening, acknowledging, and pledging support will be in for a rude awakening.

[Little Star]

24. I agree!

[2banon]

3. ALL LIVES MATTER... NO BUT's..

That is all. I don't care who your candidate is or isn't.

[ibegurpard]

5. you don't get it either

[2banon]

7. Yeah, well could be the message and the way it's communicated?

just a thought.

[Little Star]

23. There's sure a lot of them. Amazing to see it here on DU...

And not in a good way amazing.

[randys1]

26. And they wont, white privilege explains it.

[Bobbie Jo]

22. Whooooosh

[NCTraveler]

6. No buts at all.

Done enough listening. Time to force others to listen. Will be told the whole time it is bad form. Been told that since I can remember no matter what the tactic. In your face time. If they don't like what they see, they never did in the first place. Republicans and centrists said the exact same things these people are saying about the occupy movement. Now its a different group employing the EXACT same tactics against BLM.

[artislife]

9. Yes ibegurpard.

But after reading this site this morning, I am not sure my life matters.

I might have to get a semicolon tattoo to stop myself from topping myself due to the craziness that is washing over the posters.

[ibegurpard]

11. we will get through this

People who care about this will do the self examination necessary to learn.

[Raine1967]

14. Yes.

I am saddened by what I am seeing in this forum.

You and I may disagree, but I learned a lot about two of the candidates after NRN this weekend.

One cared enough to stay, listen and talk after the protest, the other cancelled all meetings. That speaks volumes to me.

[ibegurpard]

17. this isn't about which candidate "passed"

It's about elevating this above the political fray.

[randys1]

27. I have been out of the loop, who did what at Net Roots? I know about the protest but not

even much about that, still catching up

[Raine1967]

31. Oh randys1, I swear I would not know how to begin

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I know that I would probably not be the most objective person to describe what happened afterwards.

I believe this post would be a good place to start. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251456604

it's what happened afterwards that is where I cannot objectively speak.

Edited to say I would not as opposed to would (without the not) — sorry about that.

[randys1]

37. thanks, i will check it out, funny thing about being out of the loop

Relaxes me, this stuff makes me a wreck

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

30. You're projecting your opinion there.

There's nothing in what happened to tell you if Bernie cancelled all meetings because he 'doesn't care'.

Quite simply, he might just not have felt prepared or ready, given how poorly what he did say went over with the protestors. He might have wanted time to meet with advisors before he gets back together with BLM folks. Time will tell.

[Raine1967]

32. Projecting? No. Giving my opinion? Yes. I have not control over whether you like my opinion

or not.

I made it clear what my opinion is. I am not going to pontificate about what might have gone on in Mr. Sanders mind. His actions, just as O'Malley's actions spoke volumes to me in the aftermath of those protests.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

33. Fine, it's your opinion. But yes, you are 'pontificating upon', when you say he 'doesn't care'. nt

[Raine1967]

34. What I am saying is that is the way I felt about it.

I did not pontificate. I said:

One cared enough to stay, listen and talk after the protest, the other cancelled all meetings. That speaks volumes to me.

You see, that is a provable fact, one cancelled meetings.

I believe pontification happened here, when you said to me:

You're projecting your opinion there.

There's nothing in what happened to tell you if Bernie cancelled all meetings because he 'doesn't care'.

Quite simply, he might just not have felt prepared or ready, given how poorly what he did say went over with the protestors. He might have wanted time to meet with advisors before he gets back together with BLM folks. Time will tell.

Here is one of many meaning of pontificate. Mine was an opinion based on actions.

Also, I did not project. I do not suffer red herring arguments.

I said exactly what I said and I meant it.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

35. As you yourself point out, the 'proveable fact'

is limited to 'one cancelled meetings'. You then pronounced the reason for the cancellation, in a way that proclaimed that you had insight into Sanders' mind (and O'Malley's). 'One cared' and one did not.

[Raine1967]

36. No, sir. when I said that part, that was my takeaway. You are aware he also cancelled another

meeting correct? http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/martin-omalleys-presidential-strategy-try-try-try-again#.kpDEgoAde

Around the same time, Sanders was scheduled to meet with a small group of activists supporting Black Lives Matters. The senator has been focused with great intensity on the message driving his campaign — income inequality — and the idea behind the meeting was to “get Sanders on track with the conversation about issues around racial justice,” according to Elon James White, who is the founder of This Week in Blackness and was invited to attend the gathering. “His campaign was completely oblivious to the Black Lives Matter campaign and what’s been happening around the movement.”

When White arrived for the meeting, Sanders wasn't there. It was just a few staffers. White was told, he said later, that Sanders had cancelled all meetings for the afternoon. (snip)

Later, Sanders angered members of the Arizona Democratic Party, when he canceled 40 minutes after his scheduled speaking slot, according to Alexis Tameron, the chair of the party. The reason given to Tameron: “logistical issues,” she said. “That was it.”

A Sanders spokesperson did not respond to a question about his schedule.

I don't care that you disagree with me, but please don't try to twist what my actual words are. That's not a really good debate tactic.

Bernie Sanders did not return to to crowd after his appearance at NRN to talk to people one on one and with TWiB and BRN.

If you can show me where he did, I would gladly be proven wrong. In the mean time, there is this OP: http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251461527

I get you support Sanders. Thats all good, but I was not pleased with how he handled what happened this weekend. I was actually pretty neutral about Sanders. His temperament on stage and his actions afterwards really turned me off.

If you don't like my opinion, I am more than fine with that. Arguing/debating about something I never said or implied is a really bad debate tactic.

[Vattel]

15. Sanders doesn't include any buts when he says that black lives matter.

He is the only candidate who has avoided the "all lives matter" response to "black lives matter." And his record and policy proposals on issues of race is superior to those of Clinton or O'Malley.

[ibegurpard]

19. see my answer to the poster above you.

[libodem]

16. Black Lives DO Matter

What sucks is that in this country we still need to declare it.

Its abhorrent that Law Enforcement especially seems ignorant of this fact.

[ibegurpard]

18. absolutely

Law enforcement needs to be cleaned out with a firehose.

[sadoldgirl]

25. Yes, black lives matter,

How about the lives of Latinos? Do they matter?

In my state both of them have a target on their backs.

If you ask about policy regarding the problem of
racism, don't, just don't start with the Federal
government. It has to start with locality, county,
and state, because that is where the real power
lies.

No matter what Obama or Holder tried, they
could not and cannot change, what is still
happening in MO. The first little change took
place in a state,SC, where at least the flag came down.

If your question was just rhetorical though, then I am sorry to
have answered it at all.

[ibegurpard]

29. it wasn't a question

And it doesn't minimize racism against Hispanics. It's not a competition.

[ibegurpard]

38. kick

Because people are still having the pointless back and forth about whose candidate fared better or who it was directed at.