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gobears10

(310 posts)
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:56 PM Jul 2015

#BlackLivesMatter co-founder warns presidential candidates: ‘We will shut down every single debate’

Back Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors criticized both Sen. Bernie Sanders and ex-Maryland Gov. Martin O’Malley after Saturday’s protest at the Netroots Nation progressive conference...

The protest continued during Sanders’ appearance, with one woman standing on a chair and using the #IfIDieInPoliceCustody tag, which has spread in the wake of the deaths of Kindra Chapman and Sandra Bland.

“If I die in police custody, I want Bernie Sanders to say my name,” she said.

Cullors and other protesters also called on the senator to “deal with anti-blackness” instead of focusing his speech on economic measures.

“Black lives of course matter,” Sanders said at one point. “But I have spent 50 yrs of my life fighting for civil rights and if you don’t want me to be here, that’s OK.”

But following the event, Cullors said Sanders and other presidential hopefuls need to make black communities feel like they are not being “sold something.”

“If you want our vote, you are going to have to do way more work,” she said.


Full article: http://www.rawstory.com/2015/07/blacklivesmatter-co-founder-warns-presidential-candidates-we-will-shut-down-every-single-debate/

What are your thoughts on this?
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#BlackLivesMatter co-founder warns presidential candidates: ‘We will shut down every single debate’ (Original Post) gobears10 Jul 2015 OP
They should join the dialog with campaigns not scream over candidates peacebird Jul 2015 #1
In some ways they have tried for years... Agschmid Jul 2015 #4
Their beef should be with the DoJ and the guy who appoints it's head. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #16
In other word they should sit down and shut the F*** up so you can hear your candidate? nt Stellar Jul 2015 #86
When they've been given 15 minutes to "ask a question" and finally ask it, MH1 Jul 2015 #99
No, it isn't working. Too bad Bernie wasn't president I doubt he would have sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #70
You make a rather large assumption when you call it a pre-tense. Agschmid Jul 2015 #74
No assumption, you claimed to be something you clearly were not. sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #82
Why aren't they all over Obama JimDandy Jul 2015 #57
they need dialogue bigtree Jul 2015 #2
Well, THAT will certainly win over a lot of converts to their point of view tularetom Jul 2015 #3
There are six debates...Maybe one can focus exclusively on issues of importance to them... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #5
I applaud #BlackLivesMatter Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #6
...At least until such time they pull this at Clinton. Scootaloo Jul 2015 #18
Nailed it Loki Autumn Jul 2015 #21
Bernie came across looking rather irritated and condescending Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #25
No he didn't. He came across as Bernie and did quite well. Yes today was just a taste. Autumn Jul 2015 #30
That's a very good question. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #36
It isn't a reason for any Democratic to celebrate, and I don't think they are. still_one Jul 2015 #40
Cali_Democrat is applauding. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #41
That will pass Autumn Jul 2015 #45
Wait till they disrupt a Clinton event. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #66
Oh yeah. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #67
No one's going to disrupt a Clinton event. Ya gotta be invited, vetted, and a campaign contributor. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #98
And it will be spun as "proof" that she's the real civil rights champion arcane1 Jul 2015 #100
EXACTLY. cherokeeprogressive Jul 2015 #105
makes no sense, unless it is to try and get a reaction I guess, I don't know still_one Jul 2015 #78
When you keep a tab open reading another site sometimes a person Autumn Jul 2015 #43
! beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #46
He doesn't suffer fools gladly. WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #31
I loved it, he don't take no shit. Autumn Jul 2015 #34
Exactly! And I'm not sure some of these young'uns... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #38
. Autumn Jul 2015 #44
Its true. He took no shit and stayed on message. He doesn't pander and isn't rattled. aikoaiko Jul 2015 #71
GET OFF MY LAWN! Evergreen Emerald Jul 2015 #95
Well played. beam me up scottie Jul 2015 #28
Bingo! QC Jul 2015 #32
I suspect this is the first time supporting heckling for some! nt m-lekktor Jul 2015 #51
Yeah. Saw plenty of them supporting Obama's "you're in MY house" response Scootaloo Jul 2015 #52
*mic drop* romanic Jul 2015 #68
boom! kath Jul 2015 #69
I would love that so much. It should happen to all of them. Multiple times. bravenak Jul 2015 #76
It will be good to check the Applause-o-Meter at that point villager Jul 2015 #101
Don't be selective Cali LeftOfWest Jul 2015 #84
When I see them shutting down the Republican debates, I'll believe them. eom Cleita Jul 2015 #7
Yup. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #39
+100000 onecaliberal Jul 2015 #49
Yep. romanic Jul 2015 #77
Exactly LittleBlue Jul 2015 #115
#blacklivesmatter hasn't completely lost me, WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #8
BLM missed a great opportunity to present a plan. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #11
I gotta find out what's happening here in NC with Reverend Barber of Moral Mondays... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #23
Why "white progressives" (emphasis theirs)? mmonk Jul 2015 #9
They hurt the candidates that present the best chance for change. madfloridian Jul 2015 #13
Maybe BLM will start getting some Koch money support now. mmonk Jul 2015 #37
Hmmmmm. One does wonder.... kath Jul 2015 #72
Looks very suspicious to me. n/t JimDandy Jul 2015 #63
Self-marginalization? HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #10
It's pretty obvious that those yelling AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #64
Narrily a discouraging word about HRC, and the skies were not cloudy all day . . . leveymg Jul 2015 #12
They should tell it to someone who disagrees with them. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #14
BLM is telling the candidates no one is owed a vote gwheezie Jul 2015 #15
They had a great opportunity to make their voices heard. HooptieWagon Jul 2015 #17
Sanders and O'Malley were there WORKING for votes... WorseBeforeBetter Jul 2015 #26
Yes, I do remember the 68 Democratic convention. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #50
I remember the lead up to the convention too gwheezie Jul 2015 #53
Then you're remembering wrong. Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #55
I'm sorry I wasn't clear gwheezie Jul 2015 #56
Well, there's bound to be tension Le Taz Hot Jul 2015 #61
I can understand their passion virtualobserver Jul 2015 #59
I am with you on this. MuseRider Jul 2015 #104
The 68 Dem convention elected Richard Nixon. Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #107
Exactly the point I am making gwheezie Jul 2015 #108
I agree. I'm a Bernie backer too, Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #110
The protesters are right. This is the only way to be heard and maybe get their issues addressed Cheese Sandwich Jul 2015 #19
They had a meeting with Sanders scheduled for the following day, to address their concerns arcane1 Jul 2015 #42
Yup. Being listened to is more important than being heard, winter is coming Jul 2015 #60
Maybe there's fragmentation in the BLM romanic Jul 2015 #73
Safe to say jfern Jul 2015 #85
I wonder what Roger Stone is up to these days BeyondGeography Jul 2015 #20
A blast from the past that name. Autumn Jul 2015 #58
yeah, cause the one candidate whose tone is all about selling you something is DEFINITELY Sanders MisterP Jul 2015 #22
To those applauding this tactic Kenjie Jul 2015 #24
You mean like this forum? artislife Jul 2015 #81
My thoughts on this? Blue_In_AK Jul 2015 #27
What about President Obama? Why isn't blm protesting him? 4139 Jul 2015 #29
My thoughts exactly.... truebrit71 Jul 2015 #103
Well that's some creative ratfucking to shut down the debates. winter is coming Jul 2015 #33
Well I suppose this shuts down the "Hillary organized this" conspiracy n/t Sheepshank Jul 2015 #35
Cullors: Not good enough Bernie!! Vattel Jul 2015 #47
The BLM movement could do 39 seconds of research onecaliberal Jul 2015 #48
NOBODY has been fighting for the BLM cause. NOT A SINGLE POLITICIAN. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #91
I think they are screaming at the wrong people. Live and Learn Jul 2015 #54
That would be just stupid AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #62
they also should be focused on local elections restorefreedom Jul 2015 #65
They ARE being sold something whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #75
you got it Skittles Jul 2015 #119
They should be banned from future events. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2015 #79
Then no Democratic nominee will win the general election. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #92
They don't have a right to disrupt events. And your premise that no Democrat can win Lil Missy Jul 2015 #117
"A Democratic ham sandwich would beat this entire bunch of R clowns running." MohRokTah Jul 2015 #118
Good luck getting contributions (eom). oasis Jul 2015 #80
sadly and ironically elana i am Jul 2015 #83
Thinking about it romanic Jul 2015 #87
I think we can only address all of our issues. Of which there are many. raouldukelives Jul 2015 #88
These people's concerns have been ignored for more than four centuries. eom MohRokTah Jul 2015 #93
My thoughts? 99Forever Jul 2015 #89
Not all tactics are equally effective, though for some reason that's an unpopular sentiment arcane1 Jul 2015 #97
Democrats had DAMNED WELL better listen to them and offer REAL solutions to systemic racism. MohRokTah Jul 2015 #90
"offer REAL solutions to systemic racism" snagglepuss Jul 2015 #96
Why isn't our current President offering real solutions to the problem? frylock Jul 2015 #113
That has the #blacklivesmatter movement pissed as well. eom MohRokTah Jul 2015 #114
Honestly, after watching the video of the NN event... ljm2002 Jul 2015 #94
I believe this should fredamae Jul 2015 #102
As a student of Saul Alinsky, I think he would say Damansarajaya Jul 2015 #106
Allow the election of a Republican and see how things go Lint Head Jul 2015 #109
This is just so crazy! ananda Jul 2015 #111
My thoughts don't matter. Hatchling Jul 2015 #112
I think EVERYONE shouls listen more olddots Jul 2015 #116
Brilliant. Just Genius. Hillary and Bush will really appreciate that because 2banon Jul 2015 #120

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
4. In some ways they have tried for years...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:04 PM
Jul 2015

It doesn't appear to be working and now they have a new method apparently.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
16. Their beef should be with the DoJ and the guy who appoints it's head.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:23 PM
Jul 2015

Sanders and O'Malley are not responsible for Micheal or Sandra. They are willing listeners and partners to help make a change, but not if they're being screamed at. The strategy employed by BLM is destined for self-defeat. The only explanation I can see is that they just want personal attention, not a solution to the problem.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
99. When they've been given 15 minutes to "ask a question" and finally ask it,
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:40 PM
Jul 2015

they SHOULD shut up long enough to hear the answer.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
70. No, it isn't working. Too bad Bernie wasn't president I doubt he would have
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:41 AM
Jul 2015

allowed his DOJ to 'file a report' and then do nothing. Their beef should be with those who have been in positions to do something, with the Dem Mayors and Governors who sent in the National Guard and treated them like terrorists.

And since I am involved in this movement and have been for nearly a year, I can assure you this guy isn't speaking for all of those who are part of this movement, not by a long shot.

Let me ask YOU something, when was the last time the police abused protesters in Ferguson? Just curious, you have a lot to say aimed at Sanders, but not much of substance so I'm wondering, have been BEEN to any of those protests lately, have you any ideo of WHO sent out the National Guard over the past several months to 'reign in' the 'terrorists'? Hint, it was NOT Bernie Sanders.

Btw, you didn't respond to my question regarding your pretense of being a Bernie supporter, at least I didn't see your response.

Why would someone do that, we are curious as it appears to be happening, not very successfully, quite a lot?

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
74. You make a rather large assumption when you call it a pre-tense.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:47 AM
Jul 2015

That's about all I have to say on that matter.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
82. No assumption, you claimed to be something you clearly were not.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:14 AM
Jul 2015

I am curious as to why someone would do that. But if you don't want to explain, that's up to you. Seems to be a trend, though not a very successful one.

JimDandy

(7,318 posts)
57. Why aren't they all over Obama
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:19 AM
Jul 2015

and Congress members as a whole..people who have the power to do something now?

Is it really just all about publicity for them instead of real action? I'll take them seriously when they show up at Republican events...those are the people trying to supress them, not Sanders or O'Malley.

Way to lose support from Democats who generally have had the backs of supressed people during my lifetime.

bigtree

(85,999 posts)
2. they need dialogue
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 09:58 PM
Jul 2015

...these confrontations of would-be allies stifling speech is counterproductive to that important discussion and debate.

Would they, should they tolerate similar attempts to stifle their own dialogue?

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
18. ...At least until such time they pull this at Clinton.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:29 PM
Jul 2015

we'll see how much you're applauding them then.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
25. Bernie came across looking rather irritated and condescending
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:45 PM
Jul 2015

Not a good reaction considering the fact that blacks play a huge roll in the primaries, especially in states like SC.

It's impossible for a Dem to win the presidency without the black vote.

Don't take the black vote for granted....otherwise you will get burned.

Today was just a taste.

#BlackLivesMatter.

Autumn

(45,120 posts)
30. No he didn't. He came across as Bernie and did quite well. Yes today was just a taste.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:50 PM
Jul 2015

Will you be supportive when they do this to Hillary?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251457287 I look forward to your reaction when that happens.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
36. That's a very good question.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:56 PM
Jul 2015

It didn't take long for other HC supporters to realize this isn't a reason to celebrate.



 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
98. No one's going to disrupt a Clinton event. Ya gotta be invited, vetted, and a campaign contributor.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:36 PM
Jul 2015

Think this is at all possible at a Hillary Clinton event?

"...dozens of boisterous conference attendees flooded through a side door and shouted down the White House contender." http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/18/politics/bernie-sanders-netroots-nation-black-lives-matter/

My guess is no one gets in the door once Mrs. Clinton takes the stage, and if by some twist of fate it did happen, she'd be spirited off the stage by her handlers post haste under the guise of "protecting the former First Lady" and/or "protecting the former Secretary of State".

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
100. And it will be spun as "proof" that she's the real civil rights champion
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 03:58 PM
Jul 2015

'See? She's so great that BLM doesn't even need to protest her!"

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
38. Exactly! And I'm not sure some of these young'uns...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:02 PM
Jul 2015

are accustomed to no bullshit candidates like Sanders. They've grown up with the consummate slickie boys: Clinton and Obama.

Not to get ageist, or anything.

aikoaiko

(34,174 posts)
71. Its true. He took no shit and stayed on message. He doesn't pander and isn't rattled.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:41 AM
Jul 2015

And from the applause, it sounds like a vast majority of the attendees liked what he said.

It even seemed like many of the protesters had stopped protesting and were listening.

Evergreen Emerald

(13,069 posts)
95. GET OFF MY LAWN!
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 11:19 AM
Jul 2015

That is how I saw Sander's response. O'Malley was not sure how to handle it. I kinda felt sorry for him.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
8. #blacklivesmatter hasn't completely lost me,
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:09 PM
Jul 2015

but they're getting close. Code Pink slamming Condi is one thing, same with AIDS activists condemning Reagan, but this group taking their frustrations out on Bernie Sanders is BULLSHIT.

Someone please answer me: Cullors, et al. want structural racism eradicated, and for Democratic presidential candidates to come up with a "plan." What, exactly, goes into this plan? How do we, as a nation, eradicate structural racism?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
11. BLM missed a great opportunity to present a plan.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:16 PM
Jul 2015

Maybe they don't have one? If they just want to scream and shout and demand a plan be handed to them, then they'll be ignored no matter how loud they are. You don't treat willing allies like enemies...that's just stupid behavior.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
23. I gotta find out what's happening here in NC with Reverend Barber of Moral Mondays...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:39 PM
Jul 2015

and whether he's made any statements about the Democratic presidential candidates. Because what I saw with #BLM was, like you said, stupid behavior. Stupid, rude, Jerry Springer-like behavior... against candidates who are on THEIR side. It makes no fucking sense. Donald Trump yes, Bernie Sanders, no.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
9. Why "white progressives" (emphasis theirs)?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:10 PM
Jul 2015

Are they saying the progressive movement is fake? I'm starting to smell fish, especially given the very long record of Sanders in this area and of course, I don't think O'Malley is some sort of problem for BLM. Or maybe I can't get it but I'm a pretty logical thinker? Who exactly is taking their votes and current issues for granted from our side of the fence so to speak?

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
10. Self-marginalization?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:12 PM
Jul 2015

I don't understand how that's gonna work. They had an excellent opportunity for constructive dialog that they blew. Treating allies like enemies doesn't leave you many allies.
It's an important issue, and I hope they can find better leadership to persue the cause.

leveymg

(36,418 posts)
12. Narrily a discouraging word about HRC, and the skies were not cloudy all day . . .
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:17 PM
Jul 2015

Political dirty tricks operation.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
15. BLM is telling the candidates no one is owed a vote
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:19 PM
Jul 2015

Do any of you remember the 68 dem convention?
I admire these young folks, they are not going to give up anything without making their voices heard. These kids are the future of our country, they are trying to move an inert mass forward, it takes energy and passion.
I'm a realist and old so I am the inert mass but damn it we need these engaged and courageous generation. I may not stand with them but I appreciate the stake they have in being part of the political process and they have not given up that a political party can speak to their issues. That makes me hopeful. They make me hopeful.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
17. They had a great opportunity to make their voices heard.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:25 PM
Jul 2015

They had a meeting scheduled with Bernie. They blew it.

WorseBeforeBetter

(11,441 posts)
26. Sanders and O'Malley were there WORKING for votes...
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:46 PM
Jul 2015

does #BLM not realize that? Where the hell was Hillary?

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
50. Yes, I do remember the 68 Democratic convention.
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:59 PM
Jul 2015

Vividly. The PEACEFUL anti-war protesters were not being allowed into the convention venue. Today's protesters were not locked out. In 1968 Mayor Daley sent out his Goon Squad to bust heads (with the blessing of the Democratic Party). There was no violence nor threat of violence to these protesters. The two events are not comparable.

I also love these young people. The ones who use social media to raise social consciousness, who are socially and political aware, who inform themselves of the important issues and WHO STRIVE TO WORK WELL WITH OTHERS BECAUSE THEY RECOGNIZE THEY NEED ALLIES. Those outbursts at NN15 was a waste of everybody's time and only served to divide those who should stand united.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
53. I remember the lead up to the convention too
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:06 AM
Jul 2015

There was not a whole lot of peace leading to the convention. I don't remember many polite protests.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
55. Then you're remembering wrong.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:08 AM
Jul 2015

The peace was destroyed by Daley's brown shirts, NOT the protesters.

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
56. I'm sorry I wasn't clear
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:15 AM
Jul 2015

I was talking about that primary season culminating with the convention. There was a lot of tension leadi g up to how it all blew up. Some groups were more in your face than others.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
61. Well, there's bound to be tension
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:22 AM
Jul 2015

when two great leaders were assassinated within 5 months of each other and the Democratic Party was not listening to the masses of young people protesting against the war and for civil rights. Much the same way as it is today. HOWEVER, that has nothing to do with what happened today. The two politicians who are on the side of racial equality and social justice were shouted down at an event in which they were INVITED TO SPEAK.

MuseRider

(34,112 posts)
104. I am with you on this.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:20 PM
Jul 2015

How long can the community be expected to watch this happen with hardly a ripple to fix it? Sometimes just making people know how damned frustrated you are helps move the message. They will find their way but they will do what they do till they get there. I am guessing they don't really care that people think they are doing it wrong. Moving an inert mass (well put) takes a lot of different pressures. People are dying and the murderers are getting away with it. This is not recent but has peeked up recently. There really is no time to spend 6 years taking meetings. Do I want to see the debates interrupted? No I do not. Do I think the Dems will not be responsive? No I do not but they are working with government. How long can they be expected to wait and not scream as it continues?

gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
108. Exactly the point I am making
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:54 PM
Jul 2015

Look what happened. I am saying unless the dem candidates can offer people a reason to vote, we will lose and if the message is don't be rude when bringing issues forward then the dem party is headed to losing the WH.
I really do think Bernie is smarter than you give him credit. He did live it, he may not have natural political instincts but he knows a movement when he sees it. The last thing a campaign should do is disrespect the people vote they need to win.

 

Damansarajaya

(625 posts)
110. I agree. I'm a Bernie backer too,
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:57 PM
Jul 2015

and I thought he did well. At least all his time wasn't sucked up by the uninvited speakers who seemed to only want to talk about themselves.

I apologize for not getting your point the first time through, heh.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
19. The protesters are right. This is the only way to be heard and maybe get their issues addressed
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:30 PM
Jul 2015

I support Bernie but he should hear this message and work it into his policies and program.

If Bernie thinks economic exploitation is the root of slavery, class oppression, and modern racism, then I agree with him but he would need to explain the connections more, instead of just giving unemployment statistics.

That could get a bit heavy for a campaign, so instead he could just talk more about police and criminal justice reform, and double the priority from where it is now.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
42. They had a meeting with Sanders scheduled for the following day, to address their concerns
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:08 PM
Jul 2015

That would have also been a "way to be heard and maybe get their issues addressed".

Indeed, it seems to me that it would've been a much more effective way to do so. And if they weren't satisfied with the results of the meeting, then protests would make a little more sense.

They got it backwards, it seems

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
60. Yup. Being listened to is more important than being heard,
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:21 AM
Jul 2015

and they really shit in their hat on that one.

jfern

(5,204 posts)
85. Safe to say
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:20 AM
Jul 2015

I don't think Sanders is going to waste his time talking to her. He could be having a rally with 12,000 potential supporters rather than someone who decided that he's their enemy.

Kenjie

(122 posts)
24. To those applauding this tactic
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:45 PM
Jul 2015

be careful what you wish for. Soon we will be sitting in rooms shouting over each other without any ideas being taken in and debated. This means that no issues get handled including some that may be the number one issue to the people doing the yelling. Martin O'Malley and Bernie Sanders both agree that there is a problem with race and with African American people being murdered in this country. Even when both candidates addressed the issue, the protesters continue to shout over them even before they had a chance to finish their points. For this reason I believe that disruption was the real goal of this group.

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
27. My thoughts on this?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:47 PM
Jul 2015

Not impressed -- and it's kind of stupid to alienate candidates who are on your side.

4139

(1,893 posts)
29. What about President Obama? Why isn't blm protesting him?
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 10:49 PM
Jul 2015

? He has 2 years left to act, if you are trying to get something done now, he's the guy.

Maybe blm has been protesting the president, and I missed it.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
103. My thoughts exactly....
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:14 PM
Jul 2015

Never mind mouthing off to Presidential candidates, how about getting in the face of the guys that's actually in a position to do something about it RIGHT NOW!

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
47. Cullors: Not good enough Bernie!!
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:21 PM
Jul 2015

When Sanders was challenged at the Netroots conference to address the issue of police killing blacks, he said that the criminal justice system is out of control and he talked about the need for community policing. Really, I don't know what he was supposed to do.

onecaliberal

(32,874 posts)
48. The BLM movement could do 39 seconds of research
Sat Jul 18, 2015, 11:23 PM
Jul 2015

to learn that Bernie has been fighting for the cause for 50 years. Alienating those who are on your side, does your cause no good. Sanders was going to meet with a BLM leaders who could have asked any question and received an honest answer. Why aren't they addressing their local leaders who can actually do something about this terrible problem.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
91. NOBODY has been fighting for the BLM cause. NOT A SINGLE POLITICIAN.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:27 AM
Jul 2015

IF they had, then there would not be the systemic racism that leads to black people fearing for their lives every time they see flashing blue and red lights.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
62. That would be just stupid
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:23 AM
Jul 2015

They seem to want to derail the Democratic elections, and they are attacking the wrong candidates. They should be attacking Hillary because she represents the status quo.

Obama is doing none of what they demand either. When will they start heckling him too?

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
65. they also should be focused on local elections
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:33 AM
Jul 2015

because they matter a lot. and gotv, and registrations to vote, esp for young people. they could be pamphleting at colleges and places where young people go.

i know it is not as exciting as disrupting, but what is better to accomplish the goal?

crapping on the people fighting against the gop hate machine seems exceedingly counterproductive.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
92. Then no Democratic nominee will win the general election.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:28 AM
Jul 2015

You dismiss these people now, you lose the election.

It's that simple. If their issues are not addressed, there will be no way for a Democrat to win in 2016. Period.

Read my signature.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
117. They don't have a right to disrupt events. And your premise that no Democrat can win
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:57 PM
Jul 2015

without these obnoxious disruptions is baloney. A Democratic ham sandwich would beat this entire bunch of R clowns running.

That's not to say to "dismiss these people", as you say. The issues should still be addressed -there are more appropriate ways to protest and get noticed.

You can have the last word - I'm done with this.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
118. "A Democratic ham sandwich would beat this entire bunch of R clowns running."
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:03 PM
Jul 2015

Yeah, they said that in 2000, too.

elana i am

(814 posts)
83. sadly and ironically
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:16 AM
Jul 2015
But following the event, Cullors said Sanders and other presidential hopefuls need to make black communities feel like they are not being “sold something.”


everything any candidate says on this issue from now on will be anything but authentic, organic, or very believable. from this day forward all it's going to be is selling, selling and more selling.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
87. Thinking about it
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 06:38 AM
Jul 2015

What is the purpose of "shutting it down" anyway? Nothing productive came out of "shutting down" highways and "shutting down" subways" and "shutting down" malls/public squares/the street corner/etc. All we got out of all this "shutting down" bullcrap is the MSM portraying the protestors as "anarchists", cops becoming even more aggressive to black folks, riots, and higher crime in mostly black areas with less policing.

Face it: SHUTTING SHIT DOWN DOESN'T FUCKING WORK!

raouldukelives

(5,178 posts)
88. I think we can only address all of our issues. Of which there are many.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 09:56 AM
Jul 2015

By having more discussions, not less. Beware those who would limit the voices and concerns of the people.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
89. My thoughts?
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:21 AM
Jul 2015

Just what is it this strategy is supposed to accomplish?

Other than pissing off those that are already your allies?

I just don't understand and I see and hear zero attempt to explain it in a rational manner. All I see is clearly political opportunists screaming dirty nonsense in a sad attempt to use it as another weapon to beat down all but their chosen one.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
97. Not all tactics are equally effective, though for some reason that's an unpopular sentiment
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 02:26 PM
Jul 2015

This one sure wasn't very effective.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
90. Democrats had DAMNED WELL better listen to them and offer REAL solutions to systemic racism.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:24 AM
Jul 2015

Or guaranteed, the Democratic candidate WILL LOSE in 2016, and by a wide margin.

A significant portion of the black community WILL SIT OUT 2016 if Democratic candidates don't start offering real solutions to the problem. If that happens, there is no way for a Democratic candidate to win the general election.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
96. "offer REAL solutions to systemic racism"
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 12:43 PM
Jul 2015

If that is indeed BLM's prime motive why did they not prepare a statement with a list of specific recommendations to achieve that end. All I heard was adolescent BS, specifically the inanity of repeatedly shouting "say her name". Utterly empty and a wasted opportunity too get their recommendations heard.

ljm2002

(10,751 posts)
94. Honestly, after watching the video of the NN event...
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 10:54 AM
Jul 2015

...I think that both O'Malley and Sanders would have done well to start saying the names of black people who have died in police custody -- starting with Sandra Bland.

It does feel like there is a movement starting, a movement of black Americans who have simply had it with the level of police violence routinely displayed against them. And I don't blame them. Whether it is more now, or just more publicized now, matters not one bit. The fact is, there is a contingent of police around the country who feel no hesitation at hurting or even killing black people, nor do they feel any remorse for it -- and they rarely suffer any punishment for it. They clearly view black people as lesser beings. The only way that can change is if we all insist that it change.

I admittedly adore Bernie Sanders as a candidate. He remains my choice in the primaries. I will not fault him for his reaction there, nor will I fault O'Malley. They were not prepared for it, that's all. Hopefully they take it in and recognize this for what it is, and react appropriately: people who are fed up and aren't going to sit quietly while their own are slaughtered, often with video for all of us to see -- and then watch the perps walk free, usually not even charged. This should not stand and it will not stand.

BTW I also will not fault Hillary for any of this, nor for her not attending NN. I suspect she will be subjected to such displays soon in other venues.

Activism can be annoying and unnerving. It can appear to be counter-productive. Sometimes we think "But look at all the progress we've made!" and wonder WTF they can be thinking. But you know what? What is happening to black people now IS extreme, and they have every right to bring it right to the forefront of the discussion, by any means necessary.

That's what I think.

fredamae

(4,458 posts)
102. I believe this should
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:13 PM
Jul 2015

be a big priority during this election.
I hope they are planning this action at GOP events.
I believe this action/protest should Include the USDOJ/USAG's office, Senate (state legislatures too), House (state legislatures too) All 50 Governor's and yes, this presidents admin as well.
Not one single candidate can single handedly "do anything"...but for this group of activists, forcing debate Is democracy in motion. I hope they extend beyond Dem POTUS candidates.

There has been a whole lot of criticism offered about this, that and the other thing.......I'd like to know, What Would You Do if This Was Happening to You and Yours?

Remember, no matter who wins...that individual will absolutely Need a Working, sane Congress to accomplish progress for the Multiple Crises the GOP and a few Dems have wrought upon us and "our" society.
We have a lot of work to do (together) and time is wasting, imo.

 

Damansarajaya

(625 posts)
106. As a student of Saul Alinsky, I think he would say
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jul 2015

they blew it.

Both Alinsky and M. L. King, Jr. were abundantly clear that protest was never an end in itself--it was a means to true dialogue (dialogue in the sense that it's interaction that leads to change) and power-sharing.

The Yippies seemed to miss that last part, and a lot of folks since then don't get it either. Standing in the street screaming, burning the American flag (which Alinsky hated as a tactic), disruption of events etc. may be very cathartic for its participants, perhaps even addictive.

But it doesn't do any good unless it is followed up by a seat at the table. Alinsky told the Yippies in Chicago to get organizing and get themselves elected delegates at the next Democratic convention and change the party from within.

Well, they didn't do that because organizing is hard and fighting with the cops and burning the American flag is easy.

As a result, the American people looked at Chicago and voted overwhelmingly for Richard Nixon. Great job, Yippies. Out fucking standing.

The first thing the Black Lives Matter people can do is get over themselves. This isn't a movement; this is a handful of ego-maniacs who know nothing about organizing for change.

After Netroots, they aren't getting within a country mile of another public venue, and that's entirely their own fault.

"Disrupt every debate," my ass.

Hatchling

(2,323 posts)
112. My thoughts don't matter.
Sun Jul 19, 2015, 05:32 PM
Jul 2015

I may live in poverty with few resources but I've got white privileges written all over my face.

How POC decide how they must be heard is up to them.

And if they are calling Sanders out, I fully trust he can answer their concerns.

Btw, I support both.

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
120. Brilliant. Just Genius. Hillary and Bush will really appreciate that because
Mon Jul 20, 2015, 02:15 AM
Jul 2015

they don't want any debates either! Too bad BLM didn't bother to shut down CPAC though, wonder why?

I guess BLM just loves White Republican Racists Thugs, and can't wait until they're in full control to bring us back 150 years

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