It's Official -- Bernie Sanders Has Overtaken Hillary Clinton In the Hearts and Minds of Democrats

[99th_Monkey]

It's Official -- Bernie Sanders Has Overtaken Hillary Clinton In the Hearts and Minds of Democrats
07/07/2015 * HuffPo * H. A. Goodman

According to PBS, Bernie Sanders is "gaining against Clinton in early polls." Salon's Bill Curry believes "Hillary Clinton is going lose," primarily because millions of voters longing for a truly progressive candidate will nominate Sanders. POLITICO explained recently that Early-state polls hint at a Bernie Sanders surge, a headline that was unthinkable only several months earlier. Yahoo's Meredith Shiner calls Sanders a "progressive social media star and pragmatic legislator" and states that "Sanders also has a much more substantial legislative history" than any GOP challenger. In Iowa, 1,100 people packed a gym to hear Bernie Sanders speak in May.

In contrast, Team Hillary had an intimate business roundtable discussion with five "ordinary" Iowans. The only problem was that according to The Washington Post, "All five were selected to attend her events." In fact, Clinton's "staged roundtables" were attended by a total of 13 Iowans, picked by either the campaign or the host.

A CLINTON 'TOWN HALL'


Therefore, a paradigm shift has taken place. Many Iowans drove 50 miles to hear Sanders speak in Des Moines, primarily because Bernie Sanders has surpassed Clinton as the ideal choice for Democratic nominee. Regarding electability, Sanders has also surpassed Clinton as the realistic choice for Democratic nominee in the minds of many voters, because as one Salon piece illustrates, Hillary "just doesn't get it." (snip)

BERNIE IN MADISON


According to a POLITICO piece titled The 2016 Results We Can Already Predict, "Assuming the lean, likely, and safe Democratic states remain loyal to the party, the nominee need only win 23 of the 85 toss-up electoral votes." Therefore, there's no need to jettison cherished values for the sake of pragmatism; those days are over. Senator Bernie Sanders, known in Washington and throughout the nation as an advocate for middle class Americans, veterans, the environment, and other cherished causes can win crucial electoral votes just as easily as Hillary Clinton.

Finally, we're all asking a question that we've been too frightened to ask, for fear of seeming unrealistic:"Why Not Bernie?"

MORE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/its-official-bernie-sande_b_7660226.html

[peacebird]

1. K&R!

[Scootaloo]

2. Reember, Bernie fans. Gotta win the primary before winning the general

Last edited Fri Jul 17, 2015, 09:04 PM - Edit history (1)

Make sure to stress this when telling people about the guy. get them out there making those Primary votes!

[99th_Monkey]

4. Yes absolutely, my GF was registered as an Independent in Oregon

So according to the Oregon primary system, she (quite ironically) cannot vote for Sanders
in the primary, because ONLY Democrats can vote in the Democratic Primary.

[SheilaT]

17. It's probably not too late to change her party registration.

Unless she'd rather remain an Independent than vote for Bernie where it is most going to count.

[99th_Monkey]

36. Yes, she actually has plenty of time

In Oregon she can change/update party affiliation no later than 21 days prior to
Election Day. We just don't want to forget all about it, and have that deadline
slip by.

[Juicy_Bellows]

132. Ridiculously easy to register/change party online in Oregon.

I just switched my Independent to Democratic so I can vote for Mr. Sanders. Thanks for the reminder, I will get the word out to those that may not know that they can't vote in the primary if they're registered independent (a stupid ass rule in my opinion).

Cheers!

[tblue37]

144. I did that in 1980. I temporarily became a reistered Republican in order to vote for

John Anderson for the Republican nomination, because Reagan scared the heck out of me.

Not that I did much good.

[BlueStreak]

83. The DLC hammer is vaporizing. That's the point.

Bill Clinton triangulated his way into thinking that a person who stood up for traditional (i,.e. FDR) Democratic values couldn't win in 1992. Maybe he was right, or maybe we got sold a bill of goods. Either way, the whole Beltway class has believed this way for 25 years. And naturally Hillary is counting on that thinking to survive one more cycle.

The new electoral calculus is very interesting. It seems to obliterate the main thing that Hillary had going for her, which is inevitability.

I find it amusing that people can be so quick to dismiss Bernie, given what happened in 2008. If anything, the electorate is more hostile to insiders than they were in 2008. Ask Jeb Bush about that one.

I don't know about Donald Trump, but I have to believe that after being forced to swallow Mitt Romney the last time around, there are a lot of Republicans that aren't going with the "safe choice" this time.

[erronis]

121. Nice analysis - thanks.

[TheCowsCameHome]

3. "But Hillary's crowd is much more diverse"

I can hear it now..........

[Lancero]

74. I hear that their is quite a bit of diversity...

Amongst the banking CEO's that support her.

Some have ten houses, some have five, some have a pool, some have a dozen pools...

[kath]

91. heh!

Good one.

[grahamhgreen]

125. Some have tennis courts, some have stables, the

Cool kids got helipads...

[chknltl]

140. Probably less diversity in the colleges they attended...

...but before college they likely attended a wide diversity of high schools and before that an even larger diversity of grade schools, which is where they would have learned the difference between the words 'their' and 'there'. No, I'm not the grammar police but that one just bugs me!

[daleanime]

5. Hell yes....

[BrotherIvan]

6. There are 467k likes on that article right now

[artislife]

11. !! That's a lot.

[snot]

64. Great gif!

What does the arrow mean?

[artislife]

66. It is the logo of H with the arrow...I got it on the logo thread in Bernie group

[LWolf]

113. And now there's 470k,

before I added my own.

[BrotherIvan]

126. Hmmm

Veddy interesting....

[OKNancy]

7. That GOodman fellow is no an unbiased writer

His twitter is nothing but slobbering all over Sanders. https://twitter.com/HAGOODMANAUTHOR
By the way, this article has been post many times before.
Re-posting it over and over doesn't make it true. Bern-out

[MADem]

104. Let them have their moment....it's not like we haven't seen this sort of thing before, after all.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x399397

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3797562




He wasted no time in getting the crowd fired up. His first comments led to what was the running theme of his speech: "War is not inevitable. Peace is inevitable."

The crowd responded with the first of many standing ovations (I lost count). .... Here was a sensible man saying all these...sensible things. A politician, of all people, whose views actually represented ours. Like everyone else, probably, I couldn't help but get a bit high from the experience.

http://www.slumdance.com/brian_flemming/my_photos/kucinich/index2.html

[pocoloco]

115. Hillary Forbids Young Supporters from Talking to Press

LOL

What is the currant rate for waving a campaign sign??

[Babel_17]

130. Thanks, I'll be reusing this!

It's good for a laugh and they are in short supply.

[NanceGreggs]

8. It must be recycling day on DU.

Can you explain the factual underpinnings that support the statement "Bernie Sanders Has Overtaken Hillary Clinton In the Hearts and Minds of Democrats"?

How does one measure the "hearts and minds" of Democrats? How does one determine that they've been "overtaken"?

More to the point, what makes this "official'? Is there a committee somewhere that declares such things?

I guess those poll numbers in HRC's favour are from Democrats whose "minds and hearts have officially been taken over", but they're voting for her anyway.

[kath]

10. Pot, meet kettle

Aye yi yi.

[NanceGreggs]

12. Is that supposed to make sense?

I'm not the one declaring "hearts and minds being officially overtaken".

Has your heart and mind been "overtaken"? Did anyone contact you as part of declaring it "official"?

[Lancero]

75. It's a rewording of "Hillary is inevitable"...

Just applied to Sanders.

I've heard quite a few Hillary supporters saying such - Have you called them on it, asking what group contacted her supporters to declare her the official canadiate?

[NanceGreggs]

76. I have NO idea what you're talking about. None.

[Lancero]

77. Uh huh

[NanceGreggs]

78. Well, as long as you are able to amuse yourself ...

... I guess that's what is important here.

[Lancero]

79. It's amusing how quickly you started denying things...

Don't like your own medicine?

[NanceGreggs]

80. How can I "deny" something ...

... when I have no idea what you're even on about?

[Lancero]

84. Sure you don't.

[NanceGreggs]

85. Look ...

If you want to play this ludicrous game by yourself, go ahead.

I have NO idea what you're talking about, you are not making any sense whatsoever, and you are acting like an insufferably boring child.

So go off to your Giggle Corner and amuse yourself - an activity you seem more than familiar with.

[Lancero]

123. If this is your way of convincing me to support Hillary...

I must say, with supporters like you who needs enemies?

[rock]

105. "Hillary is inevitable"

Is the straw man made up by (presumably) the Bernie supporters.

[Lancero]

114. Considering how many Hillary supporters say Bernie has no chance...

Well, you get my point.

[rock]

118. No, not really

Consider how many Bernie supporters say Bernie is going to win.

[Lancero]

119. The opposite being true doesn't make the other false.

Both statements are correct - Each side says that about their candidates.

It's a difference in prevalence and how much the statement is pushed however - Do a google search, democratic candidate inevitable. See which of the runners gets the most results.

[rock]

120. I think not

You try it and you'll see what I mean.

[Lancero]

122. None of the results include the words Hillary Clinton and inevitable?

Current results do differ from past results - Now that Sanders message has gotten out, many of the top results are a question on if she is still the inevitable canadiate, however past ones - From before Bernie's campaign had their explosion in support - were saying that she had it in the bag, generally saying "show us another Democrat that can beat whoever the Republicans put up".

Still though, my point was that the term is linked to a specific candidate over another. A general search links primarily to Hillary. A search using Hillarys name gets the same results. A search with Sanders name gets you, with the exception of the first result, articles saying that Hilary (Seeing a pattern here?) is no longer the 'inevitable' candidate with Bernie running against her.

My point is that the term is applied to one candidate moreso then others, not how the term is currently applied to them. Past applications were in a positive light - Current ones are now swinging negative, or at the very least urging a lot of caution.

[Depaysement]

127. Well done

And quite true. Maybe the inevitable is not inevitable.

[Bobbie Jo]

22. Huh?

[kath]

92. I meant the "recycliing day" bs.

Give me a freaking break. As if the HRC fans don't bring up the same shit over and over and over and over and over...

Sheesh

[99th_Monkey]

13. How does one measure the hearts & minds of Democrats?

A picture is worth a 1000 words:

[NanceGreggs]

14. Then how do you explain ...

... Hill's poll numbers?

Looks like the majority of Democrats haven't had their "minds and hearts" overtaken - despite it's being "official" and all.

"It's OFFICIAL!" God, that's just killer stuff!

[99th_Monkey]

15. Hillary's poll numbers reflect her 100% name-recognition, not much else.

I'm still meeting people every freaking day, who should know about Bernie Sanders,
but who have "never heard of him" ... which is a great conversation starter.

As for "It's official" those are Mr. Goodman's words, not mine.

You will have to take it up with him.

[NanceGreggs]

16. Yes, of course.

It's all name recognition. There isn't a single HRC supporter out there who knows a single thing about her. They just recognize the name, and that's enough for them.

You were the one who posted the "It's OFFICIAL!" article - so I guess you don't question the "officialness" of the sentiment, or how it could possibly be determined.

[99th_Monkey]

21. It would definitely be a big stretch to say "all" HRC supporters

are any one thing. Actually, now that I think of it, my sister was for Hillary in 2008,
and I assume still is; and it was/is genuine excitement that Hillary would be the first woman
POTUS.

And you are right, of course, there are people who know and love Hillary. You got me there.

I'm glad I took you off ignore, when you helped me realize that would be like giving you
a DU Invisibility Ring, where everyone could see what you post except for me. Thank you
for that.

[NanceGreggs]

27. I've never had anyone on Ignore ...

I have found through the years that the people who always claim they want to hear all opinions, whether they agree with them or not, are the same people who brag about how many people they have on their Ignore list.

It does create a nice cozy echo chamber for those who need it.

[JaneyVee]

34. And they like to call themselves "open-minded".

[NanceGreggs]

44. I know - that's what is so damned funny about it!

There was a discussion thread about the ignore function a few years back, and the people who were constantly complaining about "echo-chambers" and those who only wanted to hear opinions that agreed with theirs had ignore lists in the hundreds!

[London Lover Man]

59. I hear Clintonistas heavily, heavily use Ignore...

I'm sure I'm already Ignored by the 75% of the Clintonistas...

[MyNameGoesHere]

73. Why would a Clinton supporter ignore you?

The comedy is hilarious. Keep them coming. I need a good laugh after a hard days work.

[Bobbie Jo]

97. You've only been here for 2 weeks.

Welcome to DU.

[99th_Monkey]

39. fyi - my ignore list is very short, like 3-5

and if I went to check, I'd bet some have been
tombstoned by now.

[quickesst]

71. two words

Prove it. So far all we have seen are pictures. All we have heard is a repeat of a repeat, but nowhere have we seen, nor have we heard anything that proves the claim the OP made. They can claim it, but they damn well know they can't prove it. It is simply an opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. A lot of people may agree with an opinion, but it doesn't make it any more than what it is. I'll join you in the fun.

[R B Garr]

134. Exactly, and they also claim that everyone hates Hillary,

so with 100% name recognition, wouldn't that mean they all rate her unfavorably instead of favorably??

I guess they don't think about tying up those kinds of illogical loose ends if it means missing out on a phony Hillary slam.

[HooptieWagon]

42. Who's showing up to rallies?

Bernie supporters. Why isn't Hillary drawing crowds like Bernie? Is it because she's uninspiring? Her supporters are lazy? Peep know they're going to get a canned speech of vague platitudes? Who's going to be more enthusiastic about turning out to vote? A large energetic crowd, or a handful of people bussed in for the cameras?

[NanceGreggs]

81. Her poll numbers are still her poll numbers.

And Bernie is a greatly admired person. Just because people come out to hear him speak doesn't mean they think he's presidential material.

Pollsters ask who you support as the next president. They don't ask whose speech you listened to lately.

[HooptieWagon]

86. If people drive an hour each way to hear a candidate...

There's a fairly good chance of them being a voter. There's a level of commitment. Answering a phone call takes a couple minutes, and involves no commitment. And of course the person polled may possibly be answering falsely.
Although I don't doubt Hillary is still leading at this early stage, I think Bernie is probably doing better than polls indicate. Polls may not be calling cell phones, for example...and I think a big % of Bernies support comes from cell-only people. We shall see. Bernie still needs to get those enthusiastic crowds to the polls on election day. That might be his biggest hurdle.

[NanceGreggs]

89. My late husband ...

... went to a lot of trouble to hear Michael Moore speak years ago. He loved his writing, loved his sense of humour, loved his films - but would never have voted for him as president.

I don't doubt that Bernie draws a lot of people who will vote for him. But unless his poll numbers improve, his crowd appeal isn't going to get him the nomination.

[truebluegreen]

101. Wasn't aware Michael Moore ever ran for president.

Learn something new every day!

[NanceGreggs]

137. ...

Some people - such as Sanders - are popular figures. Regardless of whether they are running a campaign, or merely doing speaking engagements, they draw a lot of admirers who want to see them in person and hear them speak.

I'm sorry if that simple concept eludes you.

[truebluegreen]

139. Apparently the simple concept of an accurate analogy

is eluding someone here. Sorry to have to spell that out.

[OffWithTheirHeads]

109. We are driving 1 1/2 hours from Tucson to Phoenix today to seeBernie

and I have been votin g since Bobby Kennedy. Have not missed one yet.

[Scootaloo]

23. Hi nance. don't you have some activism to go not particpate in?

Maybe break out your magnifying glass to examine the great Bernie sanders DU Jury conspiracy?

Or - now here's a thought - why not post something positive about Clinton? ("she has money!" doesn't really count, but if that's al lyou have, go for it!)

[NanceGreggs]

40. As a matter of fact, I do!

I'm with a group right now who are trying to track down the organization that determines when "hearts and minds have been overtaken", and how it gets declared "Official!!!"

As for the "jury conspiracy", I never said there was one. But that doesn't matter, does it? DU nowadays is just a matter of responding to things people didn't say, while pretending they did.

I suppose for some that actually passes for political activism.

[Scootaloo]

41. I'm sure the investigation will take you far afield from your keyboard.

Good luck!

[NanceGreggs]

143. Given that I've been here ...

... for almost ten years, and you've been here for less than four and have more posts than I do, I don't think you're in a position to talk about how much time anyone spends "far afield" of their keyboard.

[thesquanderer]

25. Of course it's not "official." But don't blame the OP...

...it's the stupid headline from the article s/he is linking to.

(And I say that as a Bernie supporter.)

[A Simple Game]

29. Maybe if we think back to '08 we can figure out how to measure it.

Do you remember how you felt when candidate Obama first started "overtaking" candidate Hillary?

Come on, you must remember. I remember and I was a Hillary supporter at the time, how about you? Couldn't you feel it in your heart? I think most of us Hillary supporters felt it at the time, couldn't we?

Many of us thought Hillary was the best candidate, I have since learned that wasn't true then and still isn't true today, how about you?

[NanceGreggs]

35. I was an Obama Girl back in '08 ...

... but somehow never made it to the "my heart and mind has officially been overtaken" list.

[A Simple Game]

38. So now second best is good enough for you? I'm shocked! n/t

[NanceGreggs]

52. What a ridiculous thing to say!

Obama was the right man for the job in 2008. Hillary is the right woman for the job in 2016.

Does something that simple really cause you confusion?

[A Simple Game]

54. Now you aren't going to turn mean on me are you? I just asked a question. n/t

[NanceGreggs]

58. I try not be mean ...

... to people who say ridiculous things like that. I just assume they don't know any better.

[A Simple Game]

63. Now you know what they say about assumptions.

Anyway i'm sure you probably didn't always try so hard back in the day.

[Change has come]

87. No wonder you get so many hidden posts.

You're candidate must be so proud.

[NanceGreggs]

88. My candidate ...

... has actually had nothing to do with my "hides".

But nice try!

[Scootaloo]

43. Sure you were

So were all the people who hated his guts with blind, seething rage, after he actually won the election.

Sort of like all those DU'ers who were screaming and howling for war with Syria until the day after they realized there wasn't going to be one.

[NanceGreggs]

48. You're more than free ...

... to do a site search. I was for Obama from the beginning - which earned me a lot of enemies among the Hillary supporters at the time.

I see you weren't even here in 2008. Were you "lurking" and making notes of who supported Obama and who supported Hillary?

[Scootaloo]

53. DU wasn't the only place in the universe in 2008

And I would LOOOOOVE to be able to search by post date on DU. Our google search thingy is just godawful, though.

Were you? Good for you. As you note, many weren't, and were quite livid at the very notion of Obama challenging clinton. Maybe reflect back on those days and see how it might look to those of us who still aren't going for clinton this time around. And compare your posts to theirs.

[London Lover Man]

62. Google search yeah, has gotten so bad but I did find the "date range" command (:daterange 0000-0000)

and takes it in only in Julian dates... JFC...

[NanceGreggs]

70. People who are supporting ...

... someone over Clinton is their prerogative.

But here's the thing, being as you weren't here at the time ...

It got nasty between the Hillary and Obama factions - very nasty at times. The past positions, policies, statements of each candidate were discussed over and over. People on both sides were passionate in their support, and passionate in their defense of their candidate-of-choice.

But people on either side were not accusing their "opponents" of being Third Wayers, corporatists, DINOs, Conservadems, authoritarians, water-carriers for the 1%, etc. No one was accusing either HRC or Obama of being "bought and paid for", corporate shills, or elitists trying to maintain the "status quo" for their own political or personal gain.

Those epithets only started being bandied about after Skinner changed the TOS (in 2009, I believe), scrapping the "only constructive criticism of Democrats allowed" and replacing it with "any and all criticism allowed".

That opened the DU doors to every troll who was now free to say the vilest, nastiest things about any Democrat with NO fear of reprisal. And now we can all see where that has led - a site that has been, for years now, a place where anyone with a computer can sign-up and trash Democrats - elected Dems and fellow Democrats posting here - to their heart's content.

There was a time when calling the Democratic president a "piece of shit used car salesman" would have gotten you banned. Now it gets you hundreds of RECs.

As I've said here many times in the past, I no longer consider DU to be a Democratic site. It is just another political discussion board where anyone is free to "pose" as a Democrat - and then go on to trash the Party and its members.

There are a lot of honest Bernie supporters here. I admire their passion for their candidate, and their efforts to see him become the nominee. However, there are also a LOT of trolls here posing as BS supporters, and they use their alleged support as cover to snipe at HRC, her supporters, and the Party as a whole. And the bonus is that because Bernie is not a Democrat, they can continue to trash the Party without losing their "honest BS supporter" status.

I wish you had been around DU during the 2008 primary season. You would have seen a LOT of fellow Dems (actual Democrats) fighting tooth-and-nail for their favoured candidate without calling anyone supporting the "other" candidate's Democratic bona fides into question.

It is no coincidence that the same posters who have continually bashed Obama for years on DU are now the same posters who are leveling the very same accusations against HRC. Leopards don't change their spots - and neither do RW trolls.

[Bobbie Jo]

98. ^^THIS^^

All of it...

There are a lot of honest Bernie supporters here. I admire their passion for their candidate, and their efforts to see him become the nominee. However, there are also a LOT of trolls here posing as BS supporters, and they use their alleged support as cover to snipe at HRC, her supporters, and the Party as a whole. And the bonus is that because Bernie is not a Democrat, they can continue to trash the Party without losing their "honest BS supporter" status.

Nailed it.

[redstateblues]

103. Great post. I was not for Hillary in 08 but I am now

I think she is the best person for the job. The idea that some Democrats were seething because Obama was running- Really? Proof?

[Thinkingabout]

145. Good post, Nancy. Sometimes we need a real history lesson.

[sheshe2]

147. Well done NanceGreggs.

[SunSeeker]

148. So well said!!

[JaneyVee]

37. Sure, just let us know when the "overtaking" begins.

[George II]

108. The best way to measure that is in the polls, and Sanders has yet to "overtake" 20% in most!

[olddots]

9. oh but

Neener neener .

[George II]

18. Whose hearts and whose minds? Certainly not mine.

[calimary]

56. Nobody asked me either.

My heart belongs to Hillary. AND my mind, too. I think she nabbed them both back in 1992.

[MissDeeds]

19. Yea

Love it!

K&R

[SoapBox]

20. Go Bernie!

Every minute of every day...more and more hear Bernie's message and Feel the Bern!

[Zorra]

24. Bernie supporters are mainly the most high information voter Democrats/other liberals.

We are going to have to hit the streets to clue the low information voters in.

[JaneyVee]

33. Um, what?

[Metric System]

106. You should use that language when talking to them. Sounds like a winning strategy.

[sabrina 1]

26. Wow! Look at those crowds!! Just let people get to know him, and he wins

this election!

[Unknown Beatle]

28. I'll Post This Again.

[MissDeeds]

45. Spot on

[kath]

93. Thanks for posting that. It is sooooo fitting!

[aikoaiko]

100. Oh my.

[pa28]

138. It's evolving.

[sellitman]

30. Stop it now!!!

I can't handle the excitement !



Go Bernie!!!!!👍🏼👍🏿👌🏽🙏🏻 🖖🏼

[JaneyVee]

31. Did I miss a recent poll?

[ConservativeDemocrat]

67. Nope. It's a link to a screed in someone's blog.

This, of course, makes it completely "official" and everything.



- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[orpupilofnature57]

32. Democrats Progressing !!!!

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

46. I think any good news about Bern

should be posted in the Bern forum. Then you don't get these Hillary trolls spittin, spewin, and stewin. Very tiresome people.

[SunSeeker]

68. Reality can be so tiresome!

[KansDem]

96. You took the words...

...right out of my mouth!

[MissDeeds]

49. The comments following the article

are great! Lots of people are "Ready for Bernie "!!!

[hifiguy]

50. I'd even bet that Bernie's crowd won't be carefully prescreened.

[iandhr]

51. This article has been posted

Here many times before. It seems that people want to think that this is fresh material. Nobody serious actually believes Sanders can win a general election.

[99th_Monkey]

55. Nobody except the author of the article

and all the people the article cites, .. oh, and all the people who are taking
valuable time from working 2-3 jobs, and raising kids, to turn out for Bernie,
because they KNOW in their bones, it's now or never for our constitutional
democracy.

If Bernie loses, Oligarchy wins, hands down, end of story,

[whereisjustice]

57. Wall Street and everyone who will continue to harm the middle class agrees with you.

[raouldukelives]

95. Most likely they are backers in Wall St themselves.

Always funny to hear people who do all they can each day for conservatives to rule complain about a liberals chances.

If he wins, it will be in spite of the best efforts of conservatives. Those who devote themselves to advancing the goals of corporations over everyday people. Those who wish things to not only remain the same, but to become even more lax for Wall St. and thus, themselves.

Some of us surround ourselves with the concerns of real people, and some surround themselves with Citizens United "people".

[progressoid]

112. First time I've seen it.

Being on the road working long days means not having constant access to DU.

[beam me up scottie]

60. Rec'ing for poatrp!

The howling from HC supporters in this thread is hillarious!

ZOMGWTFBBQ!!1!

A positive thread about Sanders!

How dare you, 99th Monkey?

[HooptieWagon]

61. Unofficial NJ newspaper poll...

U.S. Sen. Bernie Sanders. 83.24% (6,235 votes)


Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. 12.06% (903 votes)


Neither. 3.78% (283 votes)


I don't know. 0.92% (69 votes)



Total Votes: 7,490

[SunSeeker]

69. Got any "Official" polls?

The OP sure doesn't offer any "Official" polls to back up the headline.

[bobclark86]

117. Oh, good... somebody Freeped a poll... n/t

[dembotoz]

65. Apples and oranges... Hrc using small gatherings Bernie big crowds

Different strategy
Both working for different goals

Cmon let's be rational

[99th_Monkey]

72. So you're saying the only reason Hillary isn't drawing 10,000 people

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to her events is because she doesn't want to? I suppose there is some truth to that.

Unlike Bernie, everyone already knows who HRC is, and pretty much what she stands for,
or doesn't stand for .. so what's the point.

Still, if I were supporting HRC, her roping-off journalists and only meeting with hand-picked
supporters for 'town hall' meetings .. of what, 30-50 people, would worry me. But that's just me.

Seriously, where IS the excitement and fervor in her campaign. I just don't see it.

[Fuddnik]

99. Or, she's afraid of drawing an empty room like Romney.

Her expiration date has passed.

[99th_Monkey]

116. I didn't want to say that

but since you did, I can agree with you.

[Smarmie Doofus]

82. OK. But it was NEVER "unthinkable":

>>> a headline that was unthinkable only several months earlier. >>>

A lot of us were "thinking" it and saying it all along.

[brooklynite]

90. Mind showing us the certificate? If it's "official" and all...

[neohippie]

94. You don't need a weather vane (or poll) to know which way the wind blows

The people want their power back

[Betty Karlson]

102. Good news. This makes the primaries more substantive.

One doesn't have to be on team Bernie to welcome the news that degrees of progressivism are no longer indicative of degrees of electability.

We can stop discussing strategy and strategic votes, and instead discuss substance, and policy choices.

[George II]

107. I don't think being behind roughly 15%-55% is "overtaking in hearts and minds".

[En Garde]

110. Hillary the Inevitable is candidate of choice for hedge fund Titans, the DLC establishment, as well as those...

... who pay lip service to liberal policy causes such as reinstating Glass-Steagall and a $15 minimum wage.

What possibly can go wrong?

[Geronimoe]

111. It is very simple

Never vote for the Bankster's number one pick.

[Fred Friendlier]

124. This is the test

For years, progressive activists have been promising that millions of voters are out there: disillusioned, but eager to leap into the fray should a progressive leader arise.

Bernie is giving us that leadership, so the time is now to prove that idea.

Win today, or face another generation of marginalization.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

128. "...there's no need to jettison cherished values for the sake of pragmatism."

[Babel_17]

129. Great graphic, and widely applicable

It seems the truth regarding good news for the Sanders campaign has a subversive, anti-HRC, agenda.

It must be stamped out!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

135. Dems in the Beltway are TERRIFIED of being identified with hippies....

Meanwhile Republicans are PROUD of their base of lunatics.

[ut oh]

131. I'm a Bernie supporter

but I think we need to still treat him as the underdog, to continue to recruit supporters. I don't think we should assume he's going to take the nomination. We still have a lot of time for things to change.

[99th_Monkey]

133. I hear that

This article is over-reaching a bit, I'll give you that. At the same time though,
Bernie's support is growing so fast, in so many ways. and he will only
be able to wear his Underdog t-shirt for so long, then it becomes a liability.

I think this article was just a bit premature, i.e. ahead of the curve. I do think
it is valuable in that it cites a bunch of well-respected folks who are taking Bernie
very seriously and who DO believe he can absolutely win, both the Primary and
the General.

I think the meme that "Bernie actually CAN win this thing!" is germinating quite
well though, and is the next step beyond "Bernie's an underdog who can't win"

[Babel_17]

136. More about confidence, and taking a leap of faith :)

But I do get your point, and I agree.

[Stainless]

141. I am banned from the Hillary Clinton group.............

I guess you know who I support 100% from now on......Hillary can thank her paranoid supporters on Democratic Underground for forcing my hand. I have also contributed to Bernie's campaign and will continue to do so.

[99th_Monkey]

142. I too was banned

I didn't even realize what was going on, that I was even in a "protected" space,
just opened the OP .. la -la- laa .. then bam, "you've been banned from HRC Group."

ahh ok. I think they were the first to do the closed group thing, but now most on
DU are well-aware of needing to check every OP I open, so I know where the OP is
posting.

[Thinkingabout]

146. Bookmarking another, beginning to have a big book. Say whatever you please,

Without the votes in the primaries there will not be the delegate count. Without the delegate count a candidate for not win the primary.

It is not necessary for me to attend the rallies to vote for Hillary, she knows she is still bringing in supporters.

[MohRokTah]

149. The shit.

It's crocked.