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jenmito

(37,326 posts)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:05 PM Jun 2012

This is gonna backfire.

The Repubs. are being way too obvious in attacking Eric Holder as well as President Obama on everything from Fast and Furious to leaks "to make the president look strong on foreign policy" (as if he doesn't already look strong on foreign policy).

John Cornyn just called on Holder to resign, John McCain just called for a special investigation into the leaks (for which McCain says Obama is responsible), and Darryl Issa has been on a witch hunt for a long time to "get" the administration on anything he can.

This looks so political that along with the blatant attempts to ruin the economy, this will backfire.

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This is gonna backfire. (Original Post) jenmito Jun 2012 OP
They're going after Holder because he's trying to stop the Florida voter purge. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #1
Nope ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #3
You are both right sellitman Jun 2012 #4
Exactly... jenmito Jun 2012 #8
Absolutely!! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #24
September? Fawke Em Jun 2012 #27
And if they keep on breaking laws and not following the laws.. butterfly77 Jun 2012 #30
ETA: I thought they were going to work on jobs?! No, instead it's investigation Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #2
The more they mercuryblues Jun 2012 #6
Holder is holding up very well. I'm very impressed. lamp_shade Jun 2012 #5
Holder is tougher than nails. That guy has been pilloried by the Teapublicans BlueCaliDem Jun 2012 #13
How many times are we going to say that? vi5 Jun 2012 #7
Impeaching Clinton backfired. THAT was all the things you quoted in your post. I think it'll jenmito Jun 2012 #9
Did it backfire? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #15
Clinton came out of it more popular than ever. n/t jenmito Jun 2012 #18
All of these things that we say will backfire..... vi5 Jun 2012 #23
They are trying to hobble the backlash, thus Commie, Socialist, Fascist etc. WingDinger Jun 2012 #10
People who live in glass houses should not stow THRONES. patrice Jun 2012 #11
Since when has something looking 'so political' backfired on Republicans? muriel_volestrangler Jun 2012 #12
Promoting the Ryan budget backfired. They ran away from it. n/t jenmito Jun 2012 #16
But R'money has fully embraced Ryan's "marvelous" budget and his poll numbers BlueCaliDem Jun 2012 #19
That's because the media hasn't exactly pointed that out. But the Rs have stopped jenmito Jun 2012 #21
I feel and share in your frustration. eom BlueCaliDem Jun 2012 #20
In the end the debate is going to come down to whether Obama's economic policies hurt or help. dkf Jun 2012 #14
And ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #26
If Obama wins re-election it will be by the hand of god. Because the republicans have and southernyankeebelle Jun 2012 #17
+1000 nt abelenkpe Jun 2012 #22
Wow ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2012 #25
They'll come up with a two or three word catch phrase (FOX, Limbaugh, etc.) and railroad him. HopeHoops Jun 2012 #28
McCain is senile. Major Hogwash Jun 2012 #29
 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
1. They're going after Holder because he's trying to stop the Florida voter purge.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:07 PM
Jun 2012

That's what this is about...

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
3. Nope ...
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:11 PM
Jun 2012

They're going after Holder because he is a part of President Obama's administration.

That, and, because he's ... well ... you know ...

sellitman

(11,606 posts)
4. You are both right
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:16 PM
Jun 2012

On top of that they are beginning to realize that they cannot win in Sept. So they are getting desperate.

 

butterfly77

(17,609 posts)
30. And if they keep on breaking laws and not following the laws..
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 08:41 PM
Jun 2012

then what do they think the people will do when it comes to following laws,they will say and are saying more and more each day we can do it too..Npw if they are in office their favorite lines are,"ITS THE LAW" which is usually some bullshit law that is unfair to certain segments of the population..

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
2. ETA: I thought they were going to work on jobs?! No, instead it's investigation
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:08 PM
Jun 2012

after investigation...

...oh, and they're going on vacation next week!!!

mercuryblues

(14,532 posts)
6. The more they
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:21 PM
Jun 2012

are on vacation, the less harm they can do. The fewer abortion laws. Less time for investigations.

I hope the dems come back from vacation with a slew of legislation to debate/pass to keep the reps on unbalanced.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
13. Holder is tougher than nails. That guy has been pilloried by the Teapublicans
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:33 PM
Jun 2012

in ways I've never seen any other DoJ AG. Someone please investigate Issa and trash him so badly that his privileged constituents in San Diego can't vote for him without losing face. This is the tactic the Republicans use on strong Democrats all the time. They shame the Democrat into being forced to resign or force his constituents to not vote for him/

I'm sure in his corrupt past there's something he can be attacked with because short of that, he'll never lose an election and he'll continue to pollute the House.

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
7. How many times are we going to say that?
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:23 PM
Jun 2012

"This is going to backfire on the Republicans!"
"The Republicans are overreaching and it will come back to haunt them!!"
"The Republicans have pushed things too far!!!"

We've (myself included) have been screaming this for the past 10+ years. Still waiting for that massive backlash we've all been predicting, rather than where we are which is staring down the barrel of losing control of the Senate AND a not small chance of losing the Presidency.

I think part of the problem with Republican overreach is that they've learned by now that if they overshoot something by a million miles past where they should play it, they know that there will at least be a handful of Democrats who will try to burnish their "bipartisan" credentials by agreeing to meet them at the 500K mile mark.

jenmito

(37,326 posts)
9. Impeaching Clinton backfired. THAT was all the things you quoted in your post. I think it'll
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:27 PM
Jun 2012

happen again THIS time. It's already happening in FL with the attempt at voter-purging.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
15. Did it backfire?
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:40 PM
Jun 2012

They lost a net 2 House seats in 2000, retaining control. They won the presidency, despite running an idiot as their candidate. They did lose 4 Senate seats, but Cheney had the tie-breaking vote (and the Senate was the part of the Republicans least responsible for impeachment - that was where it died).

 

vi5

(13,305 posts)
23. All of these things that we say will backfire.....
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 01:06 PM
Jun 2012

maybe do in some very short term way. As the news cycles get shorter and shorter thanks to the internet and the many forums for a new outrage du jour to come around, any negative impact from something the GOP does becomes less and less.

So yes, for the time the Clinton impeachment backfired on them. Then by 2000 as another respondent pointed out they were back to their old tricks and not all that much worse for the wear. And since that time each outrage has a shorter and shorter shelf life so nothing really has the time to fully backfire.

Look at just this past year alone. At first what Walker pulled in WI really roiled a lot of people and we all said "It's going to backfire!!!!!" And for a short time it did piss off a lot of people, enough that we got a recall election. But soon enough it seemed like the anger died down and people moved on to other outrages and forgot about why they were mad in the first place.

Same think with the birth control debacle and the "war against women". A lot of people were really pissed off when all of this stuff started, and many still are. But all it takes is a fairly small chunk of people to move on and forget about stuff, which is really easy to do in this day and age of information and news overload, and the backlashes never really amount to much long term damage at all.

Again, it doesn't help that "our side" too eagerly goes along with the GOP when they try and change subjects.

 

WingDinger

(3,690 posts)
10. They are trying to hobble the backlash, thus Commie, Socialist, Fascist etc.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jun 2012

This is to limit the allowance of shift of the status quo.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,320 posts)
12. Since when has something looking 'so political' backfired on Republicans?
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:33 PM
Jun 2012

I'm struggling to think of a single example. Occasionally, things do backfire on them (eg the Terri Schiavo case), but not, I think, for looking 'political', ie being an attack on Democrats.

'Obivious' is what the Republicans do. It's the only thing their supporters understand.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
19. But R'money has fully embraced Ryan's "marvelous" budget and his poll numbers
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:48 PM
Jun 2012

are almost neck-and-neck with President Obama who has saved this country, had taken out bin Laden, had saved the auto industry, who pushed through health care reform that has already benefited tens of millions, and who had helped create 4.3 million jobs.

What has R'money done? NADA. He doesn't even have to show his long form BC or his tax returns for chrissakes! Not a single corporate media outlet has demanded such a thing.

We shouldn't underestimate the power of propaganda. It works each and every time, and the Republicans are backed by multinational corporations with unlimited funds, and a media that's gone from being our watchdog to being incorporated, and what favors the Republicans.

jenmito

(37,326 posts)
21. That's because the media hasn't exactly pointed that out. But the Rs have stopped
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:55 PM
Jun 2012

campaigning on it and Ryan himself revised his own plan. Once the debates happen, the numbers will change in Obama's favor, I bet.

 

dkf

(37,305 posts)
14. In the end the debate is going to come down to whether Obama's economic policies hurt or help.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:39 PM
Jun 2012

The Holder thing is a sideshow. The leaks may have more teeth though.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
26. And ...
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:10 PM
Jun 2012

Based on the number of sideshows, I think the gop has answered/is answering the question on the economy.

 

southernyankeebelle

(11,304 posts)
17. If Obama wins re-election it will be by the hand of god. Because the republicans have and
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 12:41 PM
Jun 2012

are doing everything in their power to make him a one term president. Shame on them. What makes me so upset are that republicans know what they are doing is wrong yet do nothing to play fair. Dems know what is going on yet they sit back like little pussies in congress and don't call them out on it. Shame on them also.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
25. Wow ...
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 03:08 PM
Jun 2012

The hearing is criticizing Holder for not release every page of a 140,000 investigation ... this being the same congress that grouses about reading, and remained silent with SCOTUS Justice refusing to have read, the 2,700 pages that are ObamaCare(s)?

Really? Seriously?

 

HopeHoops

(47,675 posts)
28. They'll come up with a two or three word catch phrase (FOX, Limbaugh, etc.) and railroad him.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 07:17 PM
Jun 2012

Don't underestimate Rove, Murdoch, and their minions. That's what they always do.

Major Hogwash

(17,656 posts)
29. McCain is senile.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 08:12 PM
Jun 2012

He called for Congress to name an independent special prosecutor to investigate where these leaks came from, but the law that gave Congress the ability to name an independent special prosecutor was not renewed by President Clinton more than 14 years ago, so Congress can no longer pull that shit.

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