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Stevepol

(4,234 posts)
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 04:47 AM Jun 2012

MT ES&S failures cast further doubt on 100% unverifiable WI recall results

Bradblog details some of the latest gaffes surrounding the use of the ES&S technology (if it deserves that designation). When will people realize that votes tabulated on computers are impossible to verify without hand-counting paper ballots?

http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9342

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MT ES&S failures cast further doubt on 100% unverifiable WI recall results (Original Post) Stevepol Jun 2012 OP
The right wing talking point is that WI voters don't approve of recalls. fasttense Jun 2012 #1
Why not embrace that "talking point?" caraher Jun 2012 #2
Marketing works, when combined with extortion (private sector won't create jobs unless you vote shcrane71 Jun 2012 #4
Bingo! Look away from the stolen election because the real reason it turned .... Botany Jun 2012 #6
As commenter noted: RC Jun 2012 #3
So what can we do about it? postulater Jun 2012 #5
The TV says Scott Walker's a winner. Blue Owl Jun 2012 #7
And yet, Barrett didn't challenge the result. brooklynite Jun 2012 #8
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fasttense

(17,301 posts)
1. The right wing talking point is that WI voters don't approve of recalls.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 06:31 AM
Jun 2012

I even hear very liberal people say it. The RepubliCONS started using that talking point long before the campaign ever started. And it sunk in.

Americans will fall for anything as long as there are expensive commercial about it.

We have faith based voting. We have faith that RepubliCONS wont cheat when it comes to counting votes. Though we know RepubliCONS will cheat, we just pretend that they are counting (or NOT counting) the votes fairly. We know corporations own the secret code in our voting machines and we know corporations will do anything, even murder, to get more money. But we pretend that, just in this instance, the corporate machines are counting accurately and fairly.

Give Americans a slick overpriced commercial that explains away facts and they will fall for it every time.

caraher

(6,278 posts)
2. Why not embrace that "talking point?"
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 07:04 AM
Jun 2012

It seems to me that if the RW say WI voters are against recalls generally, they can't also claim the official result indicates voters approve of Walker's policies. At least not if they're going to be logically consistent...

Oh.

shcrane71

(1,721 posts)
4. Marketing works, when combined with extortion (private sector won't create jobs unless you vote
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:35 AM
Jun 2012

Republican), money, and fear.

Botany

(70,516 posts)
6. Bingo! Look away from the stolen election because the real reason it turned ....
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 10:09 AM
Jun 2012

..... out like it did was because the people were upset by the recall. Rinse lather
and repeat.

Wisconsin's vote on Walker was too important to be left up to the people.

http://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/

Wisconsin Recall: The adjusted Final Exit Poll was forced to match an unlikely recorded vote

 

RC

(25,592 posts)
3. As commenter noted:
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 08:56 AM
Jun 2012
Brad, would you clarify something for me? When kids take the SAT or ACT tests for college, they are always optically scanned using the same fill in the bubble format. So far as I know, they are considered reliable and presumably inexpensive. Why are the balloting machines so eminently screwy and expensive?


Only on ballots is there a continuing problem. Why not on other things that use the fill in the oval?
And why should voting machines, or even the tabulators cost $50,000 to $60,000 each!
The Electronic Touch Screen Voting Machines should run around a couple of hundred dollars each, at the very most. They are basically touch screen computers.
The optical scanners should cost less than two thousand. We are not talking SAT scores here, but it is the exact same technology, so what is the problem? Experimenting to find the most efficient way to swinging the election to the Right?

postulater

(5,075 posts)
5. So what can we do about it?
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 09:43 AM
Jun 2012

Maybe we can find one person in each precinct to stand outside the polls on election day and pass out fact sheets about the scanner in use.

It would take minimal time, minimal investment and would reach lots of people. Especially when presented in a non-partisan approach.

Blue Owl

(50,393 posts)
7. The TV says Scott Walker's a winner.
Tue Jun 12, 2012, 11:26 AM
Jun 2012

Don't trust your own common sense, trust the TV. So go ahead and buy that used car Scott Walker is selling.

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