Hillary Clinton addresses white crowd in New Hampshire

[BrotherIvan]

[Agschmid]

1. Lol.

Yuuuuuup, here we go.

[1StrongBlackMan]

57. And sadly, the Poster that posted ...

Really should know better, based on his racial srlf-Identification.

I guess, once he starts calling out Black people for "race-baiting", his journey will be completed.

[BrotherIvan]

66. Why don't you address your post to me?

I'm not yelling "race-baiting" I'm showing that your argument was premature.

[1StrongBlackMan]

73. Brother Ivan ...

If you don't understand how F'ed that post is/was, and so totally unrelated to my argument ... being a PoC, you are more F'd up than can be helped.

[BrotherIvan]

82. Well, I guess the truth has finally come out

Some of us count more than others. You and you alone speak for all people of melanin. And now you are trying to question my commitment to people of color because I won't go along and support the woman who ran a racist campaign in 2008?

Ok.

[1StrongBlackMan]

95. Yeah ... okay ...

No, I don't question your commitment to people of color because I won't go along and support the woman who ran a racist campaign in 2008.

I question my commitment to people of color because you post stupid sh!t like you just did ... betray a complete lack of awareness.

Actually ... I don't question your commitment to people of color. I don't think you have any ... you are color blind.

[BrotherIvan]

126. And your ego has blinded you

You don't care about any issues that may effect people of color below your income bracket. I do. Therein lies the difference. I don't care about only one part, I want equality and justice throughout the ENTIRE system. You can insult me all you want, and it is very clear that you are trying to go for a fatal blow. Yes, I am offended. And no, I will not respond in kind. At least now it is out in the open that you demand 100% obedience or you will go for the jugular.

[1StrongBlackMan]

166. It's not my "ego" it's my life's experience ...

You don't care about any issues that may effect people of color below your income bracket.

That is wrong ... I care very much about ALL issues that affect ALL PoC, at every income level. But that said, I, as a Black man, that loves all PoC, am unwilling to continue this discussion in an open forum (read: in front of white people) because it will lead to where neither of us want to go.

So peace.

[BrotherIvan]

171. "I care very much about ALL issues that affect ALL PoC"

So do I. And it seems that we have different ways of approaching those issues. We have different life experiences. I make statements based on mine as you do on yours. As should every person of color. And that's why it's insulting to constantly read the insinuation that caring about issues such as jobs, education, and healthcare *as well as* civil rights makes me and all the other people on DU who don't agree with you a traitor.

If you have a problem with the outreach of candidates, then the scrutiny should be applied equally. But it isn't. Therein lies the issue with your argument.

[1StrongBlackMan]

208. And, this ...

"I care very much about ALL issues that affect ALL PoC" ... So do I

I believe.

And it seems that we have different ways of approaching those issues. We have different life experiences.

Yes, we do.

I make statements based on mine as you do on yours. As should every person of color.

I completely agree.

As should every person of color. And that's why it's insulting to constantly read the insinuation that caring about issues such as jobs, education, and healthcare *as well as* civil rights makes me and all the other people on DU who don't agree with you a traitor.

My positions are in the mainstream of Black thought ... something that I am closely tied to ... I cannot escape, in body or thought ... I have not called you a "traitor" or any such thing; but you have made several references to your "being voted off the island" and "being told that you are not Black enough" ... That comes from you.

But this is where I will not go, so please don't make me.

[BrotherIvan]

223. I and other PoC on this board who have been trying to talk to you are not

the enemy. We agree on many things and disagree on some, but at heart, we can agree that bettering the lives of people of color is of paramount importance. In fact, I care more about what happens to the people in my neighborhood than for myself because they are really struggling. They are working crazy hours, never see their kids, and have no hope, only fear for the future. The whole country is now oppressed by a racist police force that kills black men with impunity. Voting rights are being taken away and children don't have enough food to eat. People are dying for lack of healthcare and being thrown out onto the street.

So why aren't we talking about that? I am not the enemy, believe it or not.

[R B Garr]

203. Whoa, 1SBM, I see this sentence from Post 126 and am disgusted at what

is being implied here about you:

"You don't care about any issues that may effect people of color below your income bracket."

I know you can't respond to this out here because of the stalkers, but this is really an UGLY comment in a tasteless and disingenuous thread. You don't deserve this. SMH.

[Number23]

209. I couldn't agree more with everything you've said here.

but this is really an UGLY comment in a tasteless and disingenuous thread.

Yep. I'm out. These folks can have at it.

[1StrongBlackMan]

210. Not a problem ...

I make not secret that I have achieved a measure of affluence. But I wasn't always doing well ... I have been flat-assed, committing pretty crime, and selling dope to eat, broke.

And every step of the way, I have experienced the same discrimination ... having an extra dollar would have meant I made bail sooner; but, it would not have stopped me from going to jail. (I have no convictions, largely, because the times I got arrested, I wasn't doing anything unlawful - and refused to plead out ... I was just in the "wrong" neighborhood or driving the "wrong" vehicle)

The only difference is, now ... I have the resources to, somewhat insulate me from the injustice.

[shaayecanaan]

172. I'm Arab

I'm not white. I'm somewhere between caramel and cafe latte. I don't know if that's color enough for you, but I honestly don't fucking care.

You're running exactly the same ratphucking tactics against Sanders that were run against Obama in 2008. Remember Obama's "white problem"? "Jewish problem"? The media banged on about them for fucking weeks, but most people here were honest enough to dismiss them as the cheap tabloid tactics they were.

Ironically, you claim to support O'Malley, who has genuine problems with African Americans, at least in some states. In Michigan, for example, his negative rating with black voters is at 47%:-



http://www.newsweek.com/2015/06/26/martin-omalley-tries-regain-his-standing-black-voters-win-2016-343346.html

By contrast, Sanders' polling with minorities is merely unremarkable, there's no evidence whatsoever that they hate him, his net ratings with minorities in the recent NC poll for example are higher for any nominee other than Clinton.

If you really take issue with the race-baiting, push-polling shit that Clinton ran in 2008, then quit doing the same yourself.

[1StrongBlackMan]

195. Okay. n/t

[George II]

129. If you're so upset with a so-called "racist campaign" conducted seven years ago.....

....(a false premise in the first place), why don't you address THAT instead of creating a faux issue about campaign rallies in New Hampshire here in 2015?

What did you expect of a crowd in New Hampshire? What demographic cross-section did you think would show up there? Is it any more "white" than Sanders' rallies in New Hampshire?

[bravenak]

134. I think he expected it to look the same as a Sanders rally in the same area. And it does.

[George II]

139. But I didn't see any "Bernie Sanders addresses a white crowd in New Hampshire" posts from him.

[bravenak]

147. Other people wrote the posts about Bernie having all white crowds.

This is his response to that, showing that the crowds usually resemble the people living there. The crowds here in Alaska are not much more diverse, so I see his point. But I'm in Anchorage so the crowds here are actually more diverse than NH.

[BrotherIvan]

148. I think you are confused

I don't expect to see anything BUT a white crowd in New Hampshire.

[George II]

153. No one does. So why do you feel it so important to point it out?

[Desert805]

176. herp

and derp

[George II]

177. Then why didn't you say that in the OP, but only when called out on it?

[sabrina 1]

240. If this post is 'F'ed up, then so were all those posts claiming that

Sanders' NH posts were showing only White People. Maybe now we'll get some intelligent discussion rather then the deceptive implications those posts TRIED to make.

I addressed you directly in one of your posts where you said you wanted 'discussion'. But you did not respond to my comment, maybe because it didn't fit with your claims re Bernie's campaign.

IF you think that Bernie's NH crowds say something negative about his record on racial issues, then I don't understand why you would not admit it was a specious argument at this point, OR make the same claim re Hillary's NH crowds mean the same thing.

[1StrongBlackMan]

241. Because that was not the point being made in those posts ...

as has been explained over and over again ... almost as many times as it has been explained that no one has called Bernie a racist and that no one has said Bernie doesn't care about Black people.

But why would you listen to what has been said now ... and ruin your near perfect record of misinterpreting what has been said at every opportunity?

[sabrina 1]

243. I've never seen any explanation as to why there is anything

remarkable about crowds in states with predominantly White populations for ALL CANDIDATES, including btw, JESSE JACKSON when he went there, at Sanders' invitation and with his help WON that state in 1988.

What exactly IS the difference between the WHITE crowd that showed up in VT thanks to Sanders and then VOTED for Jackson and the WHITE crowd that showed up for Bernie in NH and now Hillary??

Maybe I'm blind or something, but I see NO significance to the crowds who show up for only ONE candidate, but not for ANOTHER especially since Sanders has PROVEN that he could get a predominantly White state to vote for a Black Presidential Campaign against the odds at that time.s

Let's face it, there was no point to all those posts, other than something only you understood but have been unable to explain.

Also you had another Bernie bashing thread about the people who attended the Meet UP in Alabama claiming there were not Blacks in that crowd either. THERE WERE, just not in the photos you managed to find.

One African American woman at the Ala Meet Up, which was supposed to have only about 30 people there, gave a wonderful interview as to why she, as a woman and an AA was supporting Bernie.

I don't bother most of the time trying to argue against whatever it is you are trying to imply.

But I know this, more and more AAs are LEARNING about Bernie, and when they do, they support him.

You didn't note the music Bernie chose to use at his announcement in Vt either. But the musician himself did. Another AA who endorses Bernie, and no, it is not Killer Mike.

We see what we want to see, which doesn't mean that is what we really are looking at.

[mythology]

257. Because Jesse Jackson didn't poll poorly with blacks

Bernie Sanders does not poll well with minorities. So it's really not the same at all.

[R B Garr]

242. omg, the anti-intellectualism about his issue is truly stunning.

I know this wasn't directed to me, but for goodness sake, it's pretty obvious why some of these posts are slammed or not responded to.

Just a quick check on Google tells you that there are just over 6,000 black people in Vermont. Vermont is almost dead last in the whole United States in population with Wyoming being the last. How many black people do you think there are in New York? How many in Chicago? Los Angeles? Texas. It's not unimaginable that people speculate how Bernie Sanders will appeal to a large population of diverse voters since he's never had to expend any political capital in getting their vote. He's in a very small, safe state.

So if someone points out the lack of diversity in Bernie's Vermont crowd some two months ago now, those are the facts. Badgering them for noticing the obvious is not cool.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/census/2011-02-10-vermont-census_N.htm

[1StrongBlackMan]

244. If I may ...

and the point being made was not about the shocking fact that the NH audience was overwhelmingly white; but rather, EVERYWHERE he had/has gone mirrored/mirrors that audience ... and, this, while explaining away the lack of support among PoC was because he was largely unknown to PoC.

And, as I have said ... more than a few times ... it is smart strategy, to stay in front of audiences with whom you know your message resonates (i.e., regions that are largely white, upper-middle class, and educated); rather than, venture outside of those zones (i.e., non-white, non-upper middle, lesser educated), and risk proving that your assumptions about your message are wrong, and don't resonate outside of those zones/demographics.

Should that happen, it would be primary campaign game over.

[R B Garr]

247. You have made excellent points. National cross-over appeal is

one of the first items on the agenda when evaluating a candidate. That's why it's so glaring here that it's met with such backwards thinking.

I think your point about the audience targets is also astute. Except for some nice speeches and gestures, not much political capital has been spent outside his comfort zones, at least not yet.

Absolutely great points, 1SBM.

[1StrongBlackMan]

248. We are witnessing, denial. n/t

[sabrina 1]

245. I think you are not aware of the agenda at play here. Most of us are, but thanks

for your input.

Let me ask you this, does the almost all-white crowd in NH mean Hillary doesn't support AAs?

[R B Garr]

246. "Most of us are," I see you make proclamations on a regular basis that

you speak for the American people, all women, all union members of AFT, and now "most of us" here. I guess that means you speak on behalf of all minorities and you know best.

Your comment about the NH crowd elicited another cynical laugh. Vermont/NH are not statistically represented by minorities, so, no, you will not see them there. That is the point. There is nothing wrong or no "agenda at play here" to state the obvious about the obvious. Anyone here speculating about whether political candidates will have cross-over appeal to other segments of voters on a national level is part of the political process.

You do realize that entire staffs are hired to vet candidates and do opposition research. It's not playing the "race card" -- is this article talking about Lieberman's viability and appeal as a Jewish candidate playing the "Jew card"? No, it's just an intellectual analysis about voting blocs and the thought process that goes into determining a candidate's national appeal. Hiding out in Vermont for 30 years with 593,000 out of 600,000 white folks deserves analysis like every other candidate endures. Just get used to it.

http://articles.mcall.com/2000-08-08/news/3321247_1_two-term-connecticut-senator-lieberman-gore
"But Lieberman should help Gore in New York, California and possibly Florida, states with large Jewish populations, and more importantly, 112 of the 270 electoral votes needed to win, Young said."

[1StrongBlackMan]

249. That poster continues to miss the point, to the point that I no longer believe it is inadvertent ...

I have explained it numerous time (as I have above), yet she waits a day or two and comes back with the same frame. So, her "misunderstanding" is deliberate.

Further, I'm noticing it more and more as a pattern among DU "progressives" ... particularly, where Bernie and race intersect.

[R B Garr]

250. Yes! I have noticed that same thing and also believe it is intentional.

There is no other cogent explanation for it and seems more strategy. I've called it the confusion scam, and it does seem to serve some collective purpose... You are very wise!

[zappaman]

253. Nailed it.

[MADem]

254. People can be anything they want on the internet....!

Did you know that I'm actually a 33 year old, multi-milionaire, pro-basketball player with an ENORMOUS ... portfolio?

I put my faith in people who walk the walk! When they stray too far from the path, I just have to say "Mmmm, hmmmm....OK, whatever!"

That poster will never understand, I suspect. And I have opinions as to why.

[1StrongBlackMan]

258. Yes ...

That poster will never understand, I suspect. And I have opinions as to why.

So do I ... But I will never discussion my thoughts on this in a public forum ... it is the respect that I have for people claiming to be "PoC".

[MADem]

259. You are a good soul.

[JaneyVee]

63. This is hilarious, its not about crowd diversity...

Its about polling diversity. Oh well, soon they'll realize.

[MADem]

256. OH MY GAWD!!!! A candidate spoke at a nursing home, and the only people in the audience were....

OLD PEOPLE!!!!!!!

Obama spoke at a prison....and the audience was full of .... PRISONERS!!!!

O'Malley gave a commencement address....and there were mostly STUDENTS in the audience!!!




NH, VT and ME are three of the whitest states in the union. There are a few others, but those are places where you can go all day and not see anyone with melanin to spare.

The first number is NH's percentage, the second one the US percentage:

http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/33000.html

White alone, percent, 2013 (a) 94.2% 77.7%

Black or African American alone, percent definition and source info Black or African American alone, percent, 2013 (a) 1.5% 13.2%

American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent definition and source info American Indian and Alaska Native alone, percent, 2013 (a) 0.3% 1.2%

Asian alone, percent definition and source info Asian alone, percent, 2013 (a) 2.4% 5.3%

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent definition and source info Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone, percent, 2013 (a) Z 0.2%

Two or More Races, percent definition and source info Two or More Races, percent, 2013 1.6% 2.4%

Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2013 (b) 3.2% 17.1%

White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent definition and source info White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2013 91.6% 62.6%

[HooptieWagon]

2. Looks all white.

I guess PoC just don't like her.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

43. Some of us really don't.

[BrotherIvan]

52. Because we remember

[zentrum]

61. Well said.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

72. Yes we do. And she and her cheerleaders have yet to apologize or make amends.

[BrotherIvan]

97. Thank you

[JaneyVee]

64. The polls say otherwise.

[HooptieWagon]

68. Same polls that had her beating Obama?

How did that work out for you?

[JaneyVee]

71. 2 things:

1-I was referring to her polling with AA. 2-I voted for Obama. So it worked out well for me.

[HooptieWagon]

80. She started out very strong vs Obama in early AA polling.

Then lost support when Obama started looking viable. I think same will happen with Sanders. When AA voters start to hear his positions, and he continues to trend upward, many will support him.

[JaneyVee]

93. Gee, you mean Hillary lost to arguably the greatest campaigner in US history??

Im SHOCKED. Even though she won the popular vote.

[HooptieWagon]

105. Sanders is picking up where Dean left off...

People fed up with the same old bullshit Hillary represents. Only Bernie has modern tools of social media Dean didn't have...FB, Twitter, Redditt,etc. You think all the thousands of people are showing up because of a slick Wall Street funded ad? Guess again. Hillary is repeating her same M.O. as last time, but even more top-down and more funded. But the same fatal flaws remain.

[JaneyVee]

137. The polls say otherwise.

[BooScout]

140. if you think Dean is great....

You should know he's endorsed Hillary.....I'm just sayin.

[London Lover Man]

192. i knew Dean was a centrist

but at the end, he didn't get anything going because he didn't have the technology (remember the bat?) that could have exploded every day with Facebook or Twitter. Bernie is skillful and doing very well in that area - and reaching out tens of millions more daily.

Dean's endorsement to Clinton came at no surprise to me. Always thought it was premature as well.

[George II]

146. Yeah, Clinton over Obama by 10 point, Clinton over Sanders by 30+. Works out just fine to me.

[George II]

142. Are you being sarcastic?

It's no more white than the crowd Sanders addressed in New Hampshire in May.

Can't we get away from these needless racist posts? It's unseemly for Democrats.

[cui bono]

151. When Sanders supporters asked what you are asking in the body of your post the answer

was a resounding "NO".

This post however, is not actually about racism, it's about all the 'concern' that was posted about Sanders' crowds. This post is mere sarcasm and a common event on DU called a copycat OP.

[HooptieWagon]

157. "No more white than the crowd Sanders addressed in New Hampshire in May"

Exactly. So where's the poutrage from Team Hillary now?

[beam me up scottie]

159. Do you not get sarcasm???

Why do you think BrotherIvan posted the op?

[George II]

167. As a hit post, and when called out on it by more than one person (several, in fact), its......

......"oh, I was being sarcastic!"

I've seen that many times before, and no doubt will be that tried many times more.

[beam me up scottie]

169. So you think BrotherIvan is really race baiting?

How about you walk that back?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=450797

[George II]

178. Nope - that wasn't in his OP, and only appeared once he was called out on it. Nice track covering.

[Desert805]

180. It's a response thread, and anyone who reads here

often knows it. Maybe you don't, but that surely doesn't make you right.

You're totally wrong.

[beam me up scottie]

181. Now he's covering his tracks?

Are you for real?

Either sarcasm really is a lost art or you're being intentionally obtuse.

Most of the people responding in this thread got it, so why didn't you?

[George II]

185. Ever see this?

I've seen "sarcastic" posts hidden on this site.

[beam me up scottie]

187. If you read all of the posts in this thread and still needed a smilie to clue you in...

you are sarcasm impaired.

Maybe a few short visits to the professionals at the Onion can help you with that.


And if you're still claiming that the op is race baiting and lying about it... well I can't tell you what I really think because my post would get hidden.

[George II]

194. Yawn...you cover up better than Haldermann and Erlichmann. Bye.

[beam me up scottie]

196. Yeah, that's what I thought.

[Desert805]

179. Are you trying to be this wrong?

You couldn't be any more if you tried.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. I see what you did.

eom

[BrotherIvan]

6. Oh good

[Scuba]

41. And very nicely done too.

[BrotherIvan]

44. Does anyone have the jury results?

[Thinkingabout]

4. Oh, we recognize this, not in denial, and yes she marched for Civil Rights

[London Lover Man]

15. Personally with Martin Luther King, Jr in 1963?

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2007/12/hillary_and_martin_luther_king.html

Marching in Selma, March 4, 2007.

"As a young girl, I had the great privilege of hearing Dr. King speak in Chicago. The year was 1963. My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear someone that we had read about, we had watched on television, we had seen with our own eyes from a distance, this phenomenon known as Dr. King. He titled the sermon he gave that night "Remaining Awake Through a Great Revolution."

--Hillary Clinton, March 4, 2007, on the 42nd anniversary of Bloody Sunday in Selma.

Following on the controversy about whether Mitt Romney "saw" his father "march" with Martin Luther King Jr., a reader asked me to clarify exactly when Hillary Clinton went to hear the civil rights leader speak, an important event in her teenage years. The New York senator has presented herself as the "no surprises" candidate whose biography has been so thoroughly picked over by reporters that there is nothing new left to be discovered. It turns out that there is disagreement on even the simplest biographical facts.


According to Clinton biographers Jeff Gerth and Don Van Natta (Her Way, page 20), Hillary heard Dr. King speak when she was 17, i.e. 1964-1965. Carl Bernstein, in "A Woman in Charge" (page 35), says the incident happened in the fall of 1961. Gail Sheehy, in "Hillary's Choice" (page 35), plumps for January 1963. Clinton used the January 1963 date in her Selma speech.


Guess what? They are all wrong.


The Facts
The institution that hosted King in Chicago was the Chicago Sunday Evening Club, and it is still going strong. Its archives include typewritten index cards listing all the Sunday evening speakers in Chicago's Orchestra Hall. An index card for King reproduced below shows that the civil rights leader addressed the club on seven occasions. But he is only listed as giving the "Remaining Awake through a Revolution" sermon on one occasion, on April 15, 1962.

[Gman]

58. Well, I think that she was trying to remember something

From her childhood that was almost 50 years ago, she did pretty damn good with the year.

[Thinkingabout]

87. Yes

[Thinkingabout]

86. Actually she was still in high school in 1963. But she was a strong advocate for

Civil Rights.

[guillaumeb]

5. Given the composition of New Hampshire, is this a surprise?

Population Distribution by Race/Ethnicity

White Black Hispanic Other Total
New Hampshire 93% 1% 2% 4% 100%

http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/distribution-by-raceethnicity/

[BrotherIvan]

7. No, it's not

[jeff47]

17. Apparently it's only a surprise when Sanders is the one speaking. (nt)

[guillaumeb]

23. You also remember that similar post about Sanders? eom

[historylovr]

26. +1

[valerief]

49. Badda bing! nt

[BainsBane]

69. Except his crowd in AL looked just like his crowds in NH

and Maine.

[1StrongBlackMan]

83. And Madison and everywhere else he has spoken ...

except for this weeks address at the Convention of La Raza (that apparently, he confirmed for too late to get a main room slot).

[BrotherIvan]

100. He wasn't there

It was supporters who got together. And you've been told that time and again.

[BainsBane]

108. No, I haven't been told that time and time again

At least I didn't read it. If I had, I wouldn't have brought it up.

[Alittleliberal]

81. Ding ding ding

We have a winner! I'd like to present to you this years whoosh award.

[DCBob]

8. There is at least one black couple last photo left center.

[BrotherIvan]

11. Great!

[London Lover Man]

13. Don't see it.

All I see is white people...

Even "left of center" shows nothing but whte faces...

[DCBob]

14. Look closer.. they are there.

[London Lover Man]

16. MS Paint it.

Just a simple crude circle will do.

Or maybe you can give me a reference point other than "left center photo" - I scanned and looked at the photos specifically to the left center, and I don't see one single POC.

[DCBob]

28. Im on phone.. expand the image.. they are there.

Last edited Thu Jul 16, 2015, 09:35 PM - Edit history (1)

Last photo..far left center... older couple.. white hair.

[Divernan]

101. Those are two men - one in a suit, other in plaid shirt.

They apparently have gotten a little sun - it is summer, you know - the one guy looks like a farmer - and they do get a lot of sun.

[Divernan]

22. Nope. Not a single POC

[JaneyVee]

67. I clearly see 2 in the bottom photo.

[Divernan]

94. But yet, you can't describe where they are, what they're wearing, or

any location? Right!

[JaneyVee]

98. Bottom photo, in front of the window on the left, wearing a green shirt.

[Divernan]

115. You said there were 2, now you say there's one.

Could be the guy's face is in the shadow, i.e., the window is right behind him.

The point is of course, that New Hampshire is a predominantly white in population - whether the crowds are there for Bernie or Hillary. But, since Clinton supporters made multiple comments that Bernie only appealed to whites in New Hampshire, turn about is fair play for their candidate as well.

I don't think any the less of HRC if she had an all white audience at this event in New Hampshire - I know both Bernie and she have reached out to POC in their campaigns.

[JaneyVee]

133. And the person next to him.

[WillyT]

138. Are You Guys Seriously Playing "Where's Waldo" In This Thread ???

[JaneyVee]

141. LOL.

Its getting weird around here.

[Divernan]

149. Tis the silly season, for sure!

[London Lover Man]

190. Exactly my point,

Lots of *whooshes* out there...

[840high]

216. Of course you do.

[London Lover Man]

9. Less than 1,000 is my guess

Based on the tight crowd shots...

And not one single POC. </Bernie>

[HooptieWagon]

30. Looks like <300.

[FloridaBlues]

10. Perhaps mostly white people live in this area

[BrotherIvan]

12. Yes, that is correct

[tymorial]

37. I lived near there and it is probably above 90% white.

[whathehell]

53. Bingo!

That is correct.

[JI7]

18. And she has many other events with diverse crowds

Which are reflected in poll numbers.

But if you accept sanders isn't running to Win as i do it's not that big an issue.

[Number23]

27. I barely looked at those photos and still saw poc in every last one of them

But then again, I'm not trying to piss on the legitimate concerns of poc or pretend that a meme that has been born out in countless photos and polls doesn't exist because I really don't want it to.

[JI7]

32. Obama had to campaign hard for the black vote

And he did the same for Hispanic and other minorities.

This is why he was able to get these votes after he won Iowa. If he had not been trying to win these votes he would not have got the level of black voters he did and Hillary would have won even after losing iowa.

While Hillary won the Hispanic vote overall .In some places like Virginia Obama win them. In a closer these things can make a huge difference.

So it's just bizarre to think sanders wouldn't have to do these things and he would still win.

[BrotherIvan]

42. I don't expect to see a lot of people of color in New Hampshire or Iowa

Maybe we should wait until the candidates get a chance to get out on the trail in states that have more diverse populations. It's very early in the campaign and the primary states are not representative of the population. That's not the fault of the candidates and the primary process should be changed for that very reason.

[HooptieWagon]

51. I agree.

The early states need to be more diverse. Small enough to begin a campaign in too. Maryland maybe.

[yeoman6987]

132. I always thought Utah and Delaware should be the first two states

One for each side and go from there.

[BrotherIvan]

155. They're not ver diverse either

[yeoman6987]

162. The problem is most diverse areas would be too

Expensive to start. California, New York and Florida are so expensive to advertise and rent out space. However something needs changed.

[HooptieWagon]

165. NJ is pretty diverse.

Probably moreso than Delaware.
Either of the Carolinas in the south...Florida is more diverse, but it's too big to start a campaign in and too many delegates up for grabs too soon.
NM or Arizona in the west.

[BrotherIvan]

184. Good ideas

NJ is a very expensive media state due to metro NY. But it's curious that Democrats have primaries in basically red states and states like California don't even get a say. Do you think that's by design so conservative candidates do better? I do.

[HooptieWagon]

202. California is even more expensive, just because of the size.

I think NJ would work. The geographic size is small, and plenty of venues in Democratic towns and cities. Sanders is kind of demonstrating you don't need M$M advertising.
I agree that having the first primaries in predominately white states is no accident, more diversity is needed.
IMO, have a few early primaries in small, diverse states, so an underdog or underfunded campaign has an opportunity to get traction. Then somewhat mix up the remainder having "Super Tuesday" primaries once a month for a few months. Save the biggest states for the end. There will be a lot of delegates up for grabs that could flip the nomination. Probably every candidate will have to make strategic decisions on where to focus.
The last thing I want is a Clintonesque sew up the nomination early. I want every candidate to stay in as long as possible, not only to get their message out, but also so the lesser candidates have as many delegates as possible to use as bargaining chips. Suppose Edwards hadn't fucked up in '08, and held enough delegates to swing the nomination either way...a more populist POTUS may have resulted.

[JustAnotherGen]

227. We are condensed here

You could easily do top to bottom in one day -

Booker, Menendez and Buono all did it. The next day you do Mercer and Hunterdon county. Go to Princeton, the borough of Flemington - then drive over the bridge in Stockton and hit New Hope PA and Allentown.

[restorefreedom]

50. how many times must we do this?

bernie is running to win. you are free to create your own reality, but that is what he has said over and over again.

[corkhead]

19. Isn't that a terrorist palm jab in the second pic?

[Robbins]

20. But it's terrable when bernie sanders speaks to white only crowd

at least that's what some here say so how dare she only speak to white only crowd

[whatchamacallit]

21. Not good enough, Hillary! n/t

[cui bono]

60. Yeah!

And when do the "minorities" get to come out and play???

[cherokeeprogressive]

96. You should have posted a link to the thread. That one's always fun to drag back out into the light.

[CharlotteVale]

24. Bwahahahaha.

[Autumn]

25. Was this where she was interrupted by an environmental activist yelling at her?

https://www.bostonherald.com/news_opinion/local_coverage/herald_bulldog/2015/07/environmental_activists_take_on_hillary_clinton

[okasha]

29. Suggest the "all white audience" crowd

take a look at the stills and video in the Hillary group. It tells a very different story than these carefully cropped pics.

[whatchamacallit]

34. Can you provide the more appropriate, "truthful" pictures

Or even a link to where you saw them? Thanks in advance.

[okasha]

48. Can't do links or pictures on the phone.

The complete video and a few stills from it are posted in DU's Hillary Clinton Group. Click on Forums and Groups; then on Democrats; then on Hillary Clinton, and you are there.

[BrotherIvan]

36. You mean they're all in the back?

[cui bono]

31. OMGZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 Monday she spoke only about economics and now this??????????

I guess her policy isn't for social justice or PoC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

I'm a Hillary supporter, but this doesn't feel quite right. I think I'm a bit 'concerned'. As someone else said on DU... "it's not racism, it's economics *wink wink*".

[TheCowsCameHome]

33. Hrumph! They must have bussed them in.

How else would so many white people be there?

popcorn, come and get it.

[tymorial]

35. She was in Dover

I lived not far. I get what you are trying to say but to be honest, there aren't many minorities that live in that area. It is largely white middle to lower class individuals.

[BrotherIvan]

38. Correct

[whatchamacallit]

40. you must have missed the 'Bernie's bad optics wars' n/t

[TheCowsCameHome]

55. Isn't that where the White Cliffs are?

[sarge43]

92. Aye up. PoC make up 6% of NH total population of 2.5M

Most of them live in the Iron Triangle - Manchester, Concord, Nashua. It would be the same picture no matter who was/is campaigning.

[pangaia]

39. Somewhere I read that sarcasm is a sign of genius.

[beam me up scottie]

45. If this was anyone but you, BrotherIvan...

I wouldn't KnR it!

Very funny.

[BrotherIvan]

46. I don't count

Or so I've been told.

[beam me up scottie]

47. I remember.

One of the worst moments in DU history.

[moobu2]

54. I posted that there were an awful lot of white people at one of bernie's speeches and

My post was reported as being disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate and it was voted 5 to 2 to be hidden.
Here's a link to it...http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=428502

[BrotherIvan]

56. I'm sure if you alert on this one it will be too

[moobu2]

59. I've never reported a thread

I dont want to break my record.

[cui bono]

62. Good.

BrotherIvan's post is sarcasm though.

[Kalidurga]

65. Brilliant

But, now I won't be allowed to serve on the jury.

[bigtree]

70. the thread you're mocking was about a Sanders rally in a town with 70% plus black population

... others were about the diversity of his campaign kick off.

What point are you trying to make highlighting this crowd in a predominately white community, 99%, I think?

[HooptieWagon]

75. No, OP is mocking the Hillary supporters poutrage that Sanders drew white people to a NH rally.

[bigtree]

88. you and the op are inventing your own reasons for their criticism

...(including calling them all Hillary supporters) and ignoring questioners' own.

It's become a familiar tactic from supporters here in defense of Bernie Sanders, but, to be fair, deflecting from questions of diversity isn't a tactic unique to DU.

[1StrongBlackMan]

114. Thank you. n/t

[JaneyVee]

76. A voice of reason.

Not to mention, the concern isn't about crowds, its about polling. Do we really want to nominate someone that isn't resonating with a very important constituency? (especially in these times of new efforts to marginalize PoC)

[bigtree]

99. the point about support is lost in the defensiveness

...supporters actually failing to engage with questioners and critics of Sanders on ways to increase that support among minority members of the voting public.

[BrotherIvan]

78. Every single appearance has been scrutinized

It started in Vermont with his kickoff. Lots and lots of threads about optics. Then New Hampshire, Wisconsin, Iowa, and Maine.

This thread, as I explained above, is that we cannot blame the candidates for the diversity of the primary states. The primary states do not represent the diversity of the the US population. The primary process should be changed to fix that.

It was easy to make those statements when Hillary was in hiding and making very few appearances. Now, she is following the same trail and addressing the same issues. She gave a speech about economics and only mentioned people of color in one sentence. She referred to the high rate of Latino and black youth unemployment, the very same statement that Sanders has been criticized for. But strangely enough, I did not see a single thread talking about that.

Perhaps we all should have waited and let the campaign mature a bit before deciding if a candidate was avoiding people of color. Perhaps we should have let the speeches and policies have a chance to come out before posts like Not Enough, Bernie. Instead, the talking points commenced after a single 45 minute kickoff speech.

[Agschmid]

79. That scrutiny is called national politics... Get used to it.

Warranted or not all candidates deal with it.

[BrotherIvan]

85. Ah, we're back to the beginning

Well, I guess your candidate can stand up to equal treatment then.

[Agschmid]

89. I think you mean "our" candidate.

[cui bono]

104. Not likely. n/t

[Agschmid]

111. You do understand that all different types of people support candidates...

We aren't all one monolithic thought group.

And when you get inside my head and know what I'm thinking let me know, until then don't expect any revelations. I came out of the closet in 7th grade nothing left to hide...

[cui bono]

117. I said nothing about monoliths or people who have come out of the closet so I'm not

sure what you are getting at.

[Agschmid]

120. You know exactly what I'm getting at and I'm sick of it.

But I'll deal.

[cui bono]

122. I have absolutely no idea. What are you sick of?

I have no idea why you are reading whatever it is you reading into my post. It was pretty straight forward.

[Agschmid]

127. It was.

[cui bono]

131. Yes, but you seem to have misinterpreted it.

All I meant was I doubt that BI and you are supporting the same candidate.

[Agschmid]

136. We are.

[cui bono]

143. Oh really...

[Agschmid]

144. Really.

[bigtree]

91. if you criticized the others, you're being deliberately hypocritical with this post

...and mostly obtuse to the reasons behind those criticisms.

I'm going to go ahead and hide this navel-gazing thread. I look forward to the next post from you (and other supporters) actually advancing some of the issues your candidate supports.

[BrotherIvan]

107. This post is not to criticize Hillary

This post is to criticize the constant scrutiny of crowds and turning it into an argument that somehow that means that a candidate "avoids" people of color, or that his record on race is irrelevant, or that his policies and statements regarding race do not matter. There is no logic to it whatsoever.

The argument that a candidate does not support people of color does have logic is when a candidate's surrogates say things like, "did he deal drugs?" or "he's only getting votes because he's black" or his candidacy is a "fairytale" or "I'm one of you."

[Agschmid]

112. Oh so it's meta then?

Got it.

[bigtree]

113. back to respond

...you've made up your own reasons for the criticisms and have taken to arguing with your own premise.

The points about the racial make-up of the Sanders crowds are meant to highlight the more substantive dearth of support in polling among minority voters.

[BrotherIvan]

121. I don't understand your first sentence

I have made the same statement many times whenever those threads have popped up.

Am I to understand that the criticism of white crowds is now about polls? Because I see that floating around on DU. Because polls say it, NO African Americans support anyone but Hillary. Including O'Malley. If polls are to guide everything in this campaign then we are doomed.

And the insinuation that somehow the people of color on DU who support Sanders are traitors to their race or "fucked up" as I was told I am above is insulting in the extreme. There are equally if not more people of color in the Sanders group than any other on DU. And yet only certain posters get to decide what African Americans care about.

Here's my statement on that: no one gets to decide what someone cares about. But that is exactly what is happening. Some posters are more equal than others.

[bigtree]

125. I know you don't understand

...try and work on it; maybe from a perspective outside of the political defense of your candidate and from a view toward the support you want him to benefit from.

I'm going to stop trying to explain.

[BrotherIvan]

130. Perhaps I am tired of being told what to think

or be called a traitor to my race. I don't understand what's unclear about that.

[bigtree]

156. I've not made either of those criticisms of you

...I may have missed those concerns of yours as the reason for this thread.

[BrotherIvan]

164. Look upthread, this isn't new

I have had my "color cred" questioned many times because I don't genuflect.

[bigtree]

175. hmm

...on second look, the poster appears to feel this false equivalency thread is a step away from familiar deflections of questions of race and diversity.

[BrotherIvan]

189. Sure

Yeah, ok.

[cui bono]

118. It's called sarcasm. And it is also following a long held DU tradition of copy cat OPs.

[PotatoChip]

170. "But they don't look like the rest of America" (when Bernie spoke in NH)

Paraphrasing, but roughly, those were your words.

How do you explain the same, but much smaller, lily white crowds for Hillary?

[bigtree]

183. link?

...I'm not going to debate with your paraphrasing, no matter what link you produce, but it would be helpful and appropriate for you to actually produce something with your claim of what I said about a NH appearance.

[BrotherIvan]

198. What town was he in that had a 70% black population?

That's news to me.

[bigtree]

207. back to the deflection du jour

...this is your campaign?

The issue is Bernie's dearth of support among minority voters, not defense of DU political pablum. You appear obsessed with the latter. I have an increasingly dwindling concern for attracting more of that support to this potential nominee; that increasing indifference, in no small part, due to the inane obsession of supporters here in saving Sanders' DU face.

[BrotherIvan]

218. I was seriously asking the question

Because the only place I know that you could be referring to is Birmingham where the candidate did not appear and a bunch of supporters put a post on Facebook and a whole mess of (white) people unexpectedly showed up. It is part of the false meme that no black people support Sanders, when there are numerous ones on DU and in this thread.

Perhaps you should consider that some Sanders supporters on DU are "defensive" because we're being told that we're racists because we support a certain candidate. Perhaps some supporters are offended by the idea that white faces in a crowd means a candidate "avoids" people of color. Perhaps attacking a person's ideals and the reason why they are a part of the political process in the first place might lead them to stand up for themselves.

I remember when you were attacked in a thread on Ferguson when you asked why Obama wasn't doing anything about it. A bunch of people who you now have no respect for because of their chosen candidate, including myself, came to your defense. And the very same people who were attacking you then are attacking all Sanders supporters now and are demonizing them for giving a shit about education, jobs, healthcare and equality, and yes, civil rights.

Perhaps it isn't so simple.

[bigtree]

221. back to arguing with your own premise

...I'm not attacking Sanders supporters for giving a shit about education, jobs, healthcare and equality, and civil rights: nor have I ever made the ridiculous charge that Sanders 'has no black supporters.' Nor, do I believe there's some wave of critics calling you 'racist' for supporting Sanders.

Moreover, your version of complaints, reasoning that people are claiming the color of his crowd means Sanders is 'avoiding' people of color is a convenient exaggeration of the criticisms at best; paranoid delusion, at worst.

I, at least, know I've not made those charges. I'm making criticisms of navel-gazing defenses from far too many supporters engaging in a navel-gazing, backbiting DU campaign. Thankfully, that's not reflective of Sanders' own campaign outside of this board.

I'm tired, busy, and bored with this deflection game. I sincerely hope you can take a step back and extricate yourself from engaging in it. There's so much more you can be doing to actually promote your candidate.

[BrotherIvan]

224. It's quite obvious that you have missed more than a few threads

It's no exaggeration. I have not accused you have making those charges, but it's clear we are done.

[BrotherIvan]

226. I was sent this link to share

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=428909

That's not paranoid delusion. You were in that thread.

[LondonReign2]

235. Wow, amazing thread

Shows that your OP was spot on.

[bigtree]

236. you obviously didn't take heed of my own response - likely too caught up in your own narrative

here it is (bears repeating):

..the response here to these concerns about under-representation of minorities among Bernie's supporters - and this thread noting that this small state isn't indicative of larger populated regions of the nation in which minorities comprise key percentages of the voting public - is amazingly dismissive and depressingly insulting.

If this 'people's revolution' was to be led by the tenor and tone of responders to these concerns and insights here at DU, the campaign would be in for a rude awakening.

There is no safe haven for minorities at DU to openly express concerns about race and the Sanders campaign - concerns regularly discussed in stark and blunt terms by my peers, friends, and family; conversations and commentary of the like which draw nothing but defensive outrage by the majority of Sanders supporters here. There's mob rule at DU over these expressions of concern by minority members of this forum enforced by a stacked jury system which is reminiscent of the national experience of blacks and government under Jim Crow. Essentially, if a majority calls these observations and expressions of concern out-of-bounds, that becomes the operating consensus here where I'm certain whites outnumber minority members by a wide margin (I may be understating that percentage). DU is certainly not getting realistic critiques from a minority pov included in our discussion and debate, and, unfortunately, I don't expect that to happen anytime soon. Very disturbing.

[George II]

74. HEY!!!! 96% of the population of New Hampshire is WHITE! What's your point?

[HooptieWagon]

77. Which is why Sanders drew white people to his NH rally.

Hillary supporters made a big issue of it.

[beam me up scottie]

84. WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!

[George II]

102. Never thought race baiting would be acceptable on Democratic Underground

[beam me up scottie]

109. Is this performance art?

I don't recall you having a problem with "race baiting" when it was done to help your candidate.

BrotherIvan is just giving y'all a taste of your own medicine.

Apparently it's not going down well.

[George II]

123. When have I NOT had a problem with race baiting? You said it, now let's see it, okay?

[beam me up scottie]

150. Oh, my bad. You must have missed this epic thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026737025

And there have been many other posts complaining about how white his crowds are, including the one who welcomed him in Burlington when he announced his candidacy.



Oh and in case you're STILL not getting the point, the HC supporters who claim Bernie's crowds are too white are serious, BrotherIvan is not.

He's being sarcastic.

[oberliner]

90. Looks like she is winning over some of Bernie's base

Good job!

[artislife]

116. You won! nt

[bbgrunt]

158. great pic!

[cui bono]

119. haha...

Good job indeed.

[bravenak]

161. LOL!

[William769]

103. Moving in on Bernie's turf I see.

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[kenfrequed]

106. Ok...

I know we are all sore over some of the early posts by a very few Hillary supporters that got into "optics" and what not when Sanders announced, and I get the goose-gander thing, but shouldn't we just back off on this one. Two wrongs don't make a right. We need to be better than this. I don't care what kinds of aspersions the Hillary camp casts, we should be better than this.

[SamKnause]

110. K&R

Well played Brother Ivan !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sadoldgirl]

124. Well, Brother Ivan, when I attended

Bernie's rally in Denver, he was introduced
by a nice young lady (AA). I really don't know
why they allowed her to speak, especially
when she was talking about police brutality.

After all, we all know that Bernie does not
really care about AAs or Latinos. They
must have made a huge mistake.











sarc

[BooScout]

128. what a bait thread...

Pitiful.

[shenmue]

152. Yeah

[kath]

213. Two more WHOOOOOOOOSSSSSHHHHHes

[R B Garr]

234. Exactly. Proud anti-intellectualism is as RW as it gets,

and this thread is full of it.

[WillyT]

135. LOL !!! - DUzy !!!

[Bobbie Jo]

232. No way

This would qualify.

DU'zys were never about mocking DU'ers or POC.

[CTBlueboy]

145. What is this

oh no OP You must have photoshopped all those white people in those pics !!

HRC Supporters really think black people forgot about 2008 campaign ?
sorry I do not tap dance for the Clintons, I vote for the candidate that will best serve me and my people's needs.

[BrotherIvan]

160. It really is as simple as that

We all get to decide who and why we support someone. But I guess that's not true if I don't follow the DU narrative.

[CTBlueboy]

174. aint that the truth

I saw a someone who is keeping a tally of endorsements, make a thread about how CBC( Congressional Black Caucus) all supports HRC ! I said to myself wait so because the CBC endorses a candidate that means black people have to fall in line and vote for that candidate too lol.

[BrotherIvan]

182. There is an assumption that we can't make up our own minds

That we don't care about issues such as jobs and healthcare and education too. That the candidate who ran the campaign she did in 2008 is now our champion because she gave a speech with a couple of platitudes in it? LOL is right.

[CTBlueboy]

188. makes you think what they think of us when those doors are shut

Education
Jobs
Healthcare

All issues that black people care deeply about and have been fighting for a long time.

HRC supporters say - you must vote HRC otherwise Sanders will give it away to Republicans
I will say this black people are not weak,or feeble minded there is nothing on this God green earth that the GOP can ever do to black people that we have not endure already so stop the scare tactics HRC supporters get to the issues that impact us.

[BrotherIvan]

193. I couldn't agree more

That's EXACTLY what I've been trying to say. But this has been going on since the minute the candidates announced. The same day in fact. We can make up our own minds what is important to us, thank you! And the idea that because we also care about those issues DOES NOT mean we are traitors to our race for fuck's sake!!!

[CTBlueboy]

199. Well said

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These issues have to be addressed and this why Sen. Sanders has my support, and I know its not going to easy if he wins but I need in my corner that will take on and sell out to big money interest.

For example the median household income for whites in America as 2013 is 58,000 while for Blacks its 34,500 and Hispanics 40,000.

[kath]

211. Nitpick - you may have misread the graph. it's Asians that have the $67K median income, white's is

$58270. Still, it doesn't change your point - the income gap between whites and balcks and Hispanics is huge.


Go, Bernie, Go!

[CTBlueboy]

220. Yes

that what Im proving that the income gap is huge between white vs blacks and hispanics

maybe you should re-red the thread lol

I'm sen. sanders supporter

[kath]

222. Hey, I love Bernie too. Was just pointing out about the graph.

I in no way meant to get you upset. The income gap is indeed terrible.

[demosincebirth]

154. I love the way the poster seemed to emphasized "white people" as if Hillary was addressing

a group of white racist. Very clever and yet not so clever

[99Forever]

163. But but but...

... must be Photoshopped. Yeah yeah ... that's the ticket!

[ybbor]

168. Hmm, who did I hear this about before?

If I recall it was a sign of a really big problem with that person.

I see some above didn't get the sarcasm intended in your OP.

[redstateblues]

173. This is an ugly post. Pointless really.

[ibegurpard]

206. Not at all pointless

A fitting retort to the nonsense of the "white-only" optics various DU Hillary pushers have been tarring Bernie Sanders with. This very same bullshit (and that time it was serious) was used about Sanders' kickoff rally in Vermont. Enjoy your petard.

[KittyWampus]

186. WELL! It turns out there were PoC in the crowd after all. LOL!

All you have to do is watch the footage and a few seconds in you can see some darker complected people seated in the audience.


http://www.c-span.org/video/?327146-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-dover-new-hampshire

[CTBlueboy]

191. lol

you really went on C-span and play "spot the POC in the crowd" wow

In the words of Joker:

?w=645&h=284

[beam me up scottie]

197. Kitty started her own thread to prove BrotherIvan wrong.

I shit you not:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251450981

[CTBlueboy]

200. Really OMG

I'm dying in laughter

[KittyWampus]

204. Thanks for the mention!

[beam me up scottie]

205. Hey, no prob. We all needed a good laugh.

A sense of humour is necessary during silly season.

[kath]

215. Wow. Just wow.

The mind boggles.

[kath]

214. So now we're playing "where's Waldo?"again??

Sheesh.

And BTW, i'm sure there were small numbers of PoC in Bernie's crowds in these mostly-all-white states as well.
Should we get out the magnifying glasses and look at Bernie's crowds too?

[840high]

217. As you so kindly pointed out - 3 people of color.

[KittyWampus]

219. I only watched a few seconds. Why don't you watch longer and do an actual head count?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

201. EBONY AND IVORY

[slipslidingaway]

212. bigtree, link for you

"Bernie's crowd in Portland, ME ...

Whoa hooo! Wake me when "minorities" get to play."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251428686

[BrotherIvan]

225. You should reply to bigtree because he can't see your post

unless you do.

[riversedge]

228. Good photos of Hillary's townhall but

why the need to be so divisive with your OP subject line. Very unnecessary.

[Warren Stupidity]

229. Hey, it just isn't true that there are no black people in my state. nt.

[Gothmog]

230. Watch the Cspan video

There are a number of POC in the audience http://www.c-span.org/video/?327146-1/hillary-clinton-town-hall-dover-new-hampshire

[NCTraveler]

231. She speaks to all segments of society...

and is comfortable speaking in front of all segments of society. This we know well.

[MannyGoldstein]

233. This is a grotesquely unfair post

While Hillary has made increasing income inequality her life's mission, you Proles need to realize that more income inequality also causes more social inequality.

For example, since 2008, the median black family income has dropped twice as much as the median white family income, 10% vs 5%. Blacks got twice as much of a difference!

Once again, real numbers correct the record.

Regards,

TWM

[Autumn]

237. Anyone got the jury results?

Great post BrotherIvan and thank you.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

238. NH is 94.2% White.

[m-lekktor]

252. no kidding. Brother Ivan knows this. this is in response to the Hillary supporters

who claim an all white audience at a Bernie event in the same area is proof he doesn't reach out to minorities. you must have missed those threads. it's funny seeing all the angry Hillary supporters spouting off on this thread after the other threads critical of Bernie for his all white vermont audience

[La Lioness Priyanka]

255. i did miss that thread, if i had seen it, i would probably say something similar. nt

[Doctor_J]

239. there goes one of the hillarians poutrages

You'd think Bernie's civil rights marches in the 60s would settled the matter, but this should do it.

[matt819]

251. Idiotic post for one reason

For better or worse, NH is about 98% white. So any crowd here is going to be predominantly white. Different in college towns and a few of the larger cities.

This is like saying a crowd at Howard university was predominantly black or that the crowd at Gallaudet was predominantly deaf or that an appearance on the Pine Ridge reservation was predominantly Native American.

I think the more significant point is that the crowd was older. Bernie's crowds are more mixed.

[BrotherIvan]

260. Agreed

Guess you've missed a lot on DU.