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PlanetBev

(4,104 posts)
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 01:03 AM Jun 2012

Every time I get scared, I have to remind myself...

I remember about this time in 2008, the Rev. Wright story exploded, and exploded big. I was absolutely frantic. I was sure this was it for Obama. It seemed to go on and on, then Obama gave that amazing speech addressing the issue. I cried like a baby in front of the TV, knowing I was witnessing a turning point. The MSM give him high praise. Soooo, I'm all happy again.

He wins the nomination. I witness his amazing speech at the Democratic Convention on August 28th. I'm all exhilarated. About 12 hours later, they announce Sarah Palin for the ticket. The media is all over her like a cheap suit, slathering her with attention. I'm terrorized again...reduced to rubble. I was like a yo-yo, for months. I was a basket case.

Folks, we're five months out. There's going to be a lot of ups and downs and moment to moment drama and bullshit. Let's just get out there and work and if you can, donate a few shekels to the cause. Most important, let's help each other keep our chops up.

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Every time I get scared, I have to remind myself... (Original Post) PlanetBev Jun 2012 OP
Obama will be given no sympathy this time jpbollma Jun 2012 #1
He also will be given a bit more benefit of the doubt, as most presidents receive... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #2
You need to throw the past out it does not really matter dinopipie Jun 2012 #7
Not much of this matters Harry Monroe Jun 2012 #9
Let's hope have enough voters Herlong Jun 2012 #17
This message was self-deleted by its author Herlong Jun 2012 #19
Then I guess he's doomed. Hello Pres. Romney. Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #18
President Romney is a definite possibility, first and foremost. Herlong Jun 2012 #20
The handwringing of the left is a replay of '08... Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #21
Wake me up when the polls show Obama consistently losing. Until then, sit back, calm down and relax Herlong Jun 2012 #22
There is a difference between fighting for every eligible voter and acting like he's going to lose.. Drunken Irishman Jun 2012 #25
I'm confident we have to fight Herlong Jun 2012 #27
Well, with all your doom and gloom, I hope you're matching that by actually getting out and going Liberal_Stalwart71 Jun 2012 #29
Sympathy for what? Being a DAMN GOOD PRESIDENT?? Get positive, please. RBInMaine Jun 2012 #11
PlanetBev, I hear you. 2008 with the Palin race rallies had all the bad memories playing for me. freshwest Jun 2012 #3
Rev. Wright himself may be a bit hard for some people to take, not me, but Liberation patrice Jun 2012 #4
I share your deep respect for Liberation Theology. 99th_Monkey Jun 2012 #15
There are too many people who don't know how deeply motivated by Freedom Liberals are. patrice Jun 2012 #23
Thank you for your soulful and eliquent words 99th_Monkey Jun 2012 #5
Obama had Rev Wright Politicalboi Jun 2012 #6
The media didn't "drop the ball" Harry Monroe Jun 2012 #10
Thanks for the welcome dose of reality-testing, PlanetBev... Surya Gayatri Jun 2012 #8
Quit "getting scared." Just work, write letters to the editor, donate, and CAMPAIGN FOR OBAMA ! RBInMaine Jun 2012 #12
Remember the "Everybody Chill - I've Got this!" post we used to put up in '08 jimlup Jun 2012 #13
Thanks for reminding me about that PlanetBev Jun 2012 #16
"We're five months out" boxman15 Jun 2012 #14
More stuff will come out on Romney, too. GoCubsGo Jun 2012 #24
and you can bet what ever you have in your bank acct liberalnationalist Jun 2012 #26
And never forget- the Obama team beat the Clinton machine KaryninMiami Jun 2012 #28
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
2. He also will be given a bit more benefit of the doubt, as most presidents receive...
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 01:50 AM
Jun 2012

Even unpopular presidents. He didn't have that in '08. Even Carter was in his race with Reagan until the bitter end. It eventually broke in Reagan's favor, but he was infinitely less popular than Obama right now.

Being an incumbent has far more perks than being the challenger. Incumbents rarely lose - incumbents who are running for reelection rarely lose. Only H.W. Bush and Carter have lost reelection since Hoover's defeat to FDR (Ford never won an election, LBJ didn't run for a second term and neither did Truman). Even in 1992, Bush still only lost the popular vote by six points.

Obama is personally well liked. Americans don't like Mitt Romney. That generally equals election success, especially presidential elections.

There is a reason why Intrade and Nate Silver and most unbiased organizations say Obama is the favorite. Is he guaranteed to win? Na'. But he's in a far better position today than Bush was eight years ago and H.W. in '92 - two incumbents who either lost or narrowly won.

Just my thoughts, though. I'm an Obamabot.

 

dinopipie

(84 posts)
7. You need to throw the past out it does not really matter
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 07:18 AM
Jun 2012

because of:

1. Citizens United
2. 24/7 GOP Propaganda on TV and radio
3. In case you have not noticed President Obama is not white.

Harry Monroe

(2,935 posts)
9. Not much of this matters
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 08:51 AM
Jun 2012

The MSM will frame the race and people are generally sheep. They'll believe whatever they see and hear on the news. Let's hope that enough voters are intelligent enough to see through the bullshit, think for themselves and vote accordingly. If you compare Obama and Rmoney unfiltered, through one's own unbiased filter, you'd think it'd be a no-brainer. Anyone halfway intelligent can see that Rmoney is a reprehensible scumbag. But we know how the MSM loves to spin and bend the facts.

Response to Herlong (Reply #17)

 

Herlong

(649 posts)
20. President Romney is a definite possibility, first and foremost.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:10 PM
Jun 2012

And if we loose this next Presidential election, watch all hell break loose on DU, sans eye roll emoticons. Second, we do need voters to win elections. Sooooo, what is your point?
 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
21. The handwringing of the left is a replay of '08...
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:27 PM
Jun 2012

I heard it four years ago and I'm hearing it now.

"Obama can't win, won't win, will struggle to win"

"They'll just steal it..."

"This is the country that voted in Bush, why should I trust they'll vote in Obama?"

"Obama is too passive, too nice to win..."

Romney very well could win. But we're not talking an infinite amount of time here, my friend. We're a little less now than five months away from the presidential election. Everything that people have said the last few months and years, about Citizen United, about the money, about the voters, has not changed the dynamics of this race thus far. It could, I'll concede that, but Obama continues to lead in the national polls and he continues to lead in the local polls.

If you want to give up, that's your right. But don't get upset when someone comes around and calls you on your incessant negativism. I heard it four years ago, I don't want to hear it again the next five months. Wake me up when the polls show Obama consistently losing. Until then, sit back, calm down and relax.

 

Herlong

(649 posts)
22. Wake me up when the polls show Obama consistently losing. Until then, sit back, calm down and relax
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:47 PM
Jun 2012

I won't sit down, calm down, or relax until every eligible voter in American can vote, and there are no barriers for them to vote. I am no Pollyanna, my friend, we have five months, that means that's every eligible voter for Obama on election day.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
25. There is a difference between fighting for every eligible voter and acting like he's going to lose..
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:02 PM
Jun 2012

As I've seen on this forum all too often. Hell, there was just a thread posted here that said he should pull a Johnson and say he's not going to seek a second term because there is no way he can win now. This is ridiculous. Yes, Obama is not guaranteed to win like Clinton in '96. But he's out-polling where Bush was eight years ago and far outpacing the last incumbent who lost.

I'm confident he will win reelection.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
29. Well, with all your doom and gloom, I hope you're matching that by actually getting out and going
Sun Jun 10, 2012, 11:18 AM
Jun 2012

door to door. It's one thing to sit on a message board and cry about how Obama could lose. It's altogether another thing to get out there and fight. Make some calls. Register voters. Go door to door, talking to voters.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
3. PlanetBev, I hear you. 2008 with the Palin race rallies had all the bad memories playing for me.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 02:12 AM
Jun 2012

It felt as if we'd been dragged decades back into the past, it was the same mood at those southern campaign stops, and the GOP has not gotten better since then.

I don't want to see this country taken back to those days but the Romney people seem to really want it. It's uglier than it was in 2008 or 1968.

Or maybe they get more face time than before. I don't know which one it is. I was on that roller coaster too, couldn't even look at the returns in 2008, afraid of what it meant, going backwards.

More is at stake than then. But keep your head up and remember that what we see on the internet is not all there is, or the media holding back the information to help people make a good choice.

Hold on tight again, we all will.


patrice

(47,992 posts)
4. Rev. Wright himself may be a bit hard for some people to take, not me, but Liberation
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 02:39 AM
Jun 2012

Theology is an AWESOME and inspiring message, so I hope we get to go there, because it will be a good anti-dote to Romney's FOREIGN financial masters.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
15. I share your deep respect for Liberation Theology.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 01:08 PM
Jun 2012

I say this as a Child of the 60s,
who back in the 80s was still,
paying attention to Iran/Contra,
and similar crimes against humanity,
and how the "base communities"
of Liberation Theology were at
the vanguard standing in the breach
for the underclasses in Latin America.

patrice

(47,992 posts)
23. There are too many people who don't know how deeply motivated by Freedom Liberals are.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 05:52 PM
Jun 2012

This is why we can be trusted on the issues, because we are bound to respect Freedom, or lose our status as "card carrying" Liberals.

Liberals ARE Liberals because they have a passion for Freedom. It's bound up in our epistemology and ontology and EVERYTHING.

I think we should try to explain all of this better, without these somewhat off-putting words.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
5. Thank you for your soulful and eliquent words
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 03:57 AM
Jun 2012

We're all riding this out,
with as much awareness,
as we can muster to it,
without exploding.

I know of no other mirror,
no more clear reflection,
of what chance and circumstance,
can throw at us on moment's notice.

Than your (see above) DU post,
letting anyone with eyes to see,
how we can "carry each other",
like that 90s pop song goes.


 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
6. Obama had Rev Wright
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 04:41 AM
Jun 2012

And Palin had the witch doctor. But nobody brought that shit up. That is the problem. How many times has Rmoney been asked about the cop uniform? I haven't heard any. This is part of the problem. If Obama did that, we sure as hell would be hearing about it 24/7. Bush got a way with a shit load of stuff, and the media dropped the ball.

Harry Monroe

(2,935 posts)
10. The media didn't "drop the ball"
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 08:52 AM
Jun 2012

They did exactly what their corporate masters told them to do. Bury it, and bury it deep.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
8. Thanks for the welcome dose of reality-testing, PlanetBev...
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 08:34 AM
Jun 2012

I know what you mean about the yo-yo effect.

Focus, concentration--that's the name of the game. Eyes on the goal, people!

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
13. Remember the "Everybody Chill - I've Got this!" post we used to put up in '08
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 10:20 AM
Jun 2012

It applies today as well. Obama may be "even" in the polls but once the American people see who Mitt Romney really is they will reject him. I'm pretty sure that Obama will prevail in some rather significant ways once the campaign goes to full bore.

PlanetBev

(4,104 posts)
16. Thanks for reminding me about that
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 04:29 PM
Jun 2012

I've got that captioned picture of him on my computer. I think I'll put it on my desktop.

boxman15

(1,033 posts)
14. "We're five months out"
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 10:39 AM
Jun 2012

That's the key thing to remember. This week has been a bad one politically for Obama, no doubt. He'll have some more of those before it's out, but so will Mitt Romney. Plus, when the debates come around, Obama will look like the confident leader this country needs, while Romney will look like the slimy politician he is.

I'm still confident President Obama will be re-elected. Everything has to go right for Mitt Romney in the Electoral College for him to win.

GoCubsGo

(32,095 posts)
24. More stuff will come out on Romney, too.
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:00 PM
Jun 2012

Even some of the apolitical people I know are commenting on what a creepy weirdo this guy is. I also saw a post here that said the ads the Obama campaign put out about his time at Bain are not helping Romney, either. Folks are already starting to see how slimy he is.

 

liberalnationalist

(170 posts)
26. and you can bet what ever you have in your bank acct
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 06:36 PM
Jun 2012

that Obama is going to trash him....Obama will not take crap like Gore or Kerry.

KaryninMiami

(3,073 posts)
28. And never forget- the Obama team beat the Clinton machine
Sat Jun 9, 2012, 09:59 PM
Jun 2012

And that was no easy feat. Almost everyone assumed that Hillary would be the candidate-- it was a very hard (and painfully intense) battle as you may recall and the Obama team- in spite of Reverend Wright and all of the rest of the stuff that was thrown at him- got won the election.
I remind myself of that quite often- it calms me down. But it's going to be a very intense 5 months, that's for sure.

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