2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders’ Senate colleagues stunned by his ascent
Man, when I was away on recess, I kept seeing Bernie here and Bernie there, said Sen. Tim Kaine (D-Va.), recounting a conversation he had with Sanders. It was like Wheres Waldo?
Yet many are also implicitly and some explicitly warning voters not to jump on the Sanders bandwagon. Hes too far out there to win a general election, a number of Democrats whove worked alongside him most, or all, of them Hillary Clinton supporters say.
And they fear the stronger he gets, the more hell pull Clinton to the left, hurting her chances in the general election.
I just hope they dont move Hillary so far left that people believe she is out of the realm, said Sen. Joe Manchin, a moderate West Virginia Democrat who supports Clinton. Ive seen bases move people.
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ljm2002
(10,751 posts)Oh, the horror! Politicians being affected by what their base wants, rather than by what their handlers want.
Granted sometimes the base can be extreme (e.g. the tea party). But poll after poll shows a majority of Americans agreeing with Bernie on the issues.
Our politicians are bought and paid for, and the population at large has begun to notice. Hence Bernie's rise.
marym625
(17,997 posts)So Bernie wins the nomination and general. Hillary shouldn't have to change her views, again, just to be mainstream
artislife
(9,497 posts)And not a leader amongst them. They think if they attach themselves to the so call leader, their political careers will flourish instead of thinking what they were voted into office for. That is to represent and protect the constituents who voted for them . ---The ones that can actually be drowned in a bathtub, I might add.
Go Bernie, go.
CrispyQ
(36,539 posts)Don't worry, Goldman won't let her stray to the left, in spite of what she may say on the campaign trail.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)Bad bad bases. What an idiot
pipoman
(16,038 posts)The base on both sides will demand actual change this election cycle...which ever candidates emerge the primaries better be a outside the box populist or they will lose.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Bernie Sanders was one of the founders of the progressive caucus.
'Bit player' feh.
djean111
(14,255 posts)They don't need to worry, Hillary will not move to the Left, actually, by even a millimeter. All talk.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)I am sooo upset.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)is pretty damn sick and tired of their business as usual. Some democrats like him need to learn they had better Lead, follow or get the fuck out of the way. Myself? I prefer they get the fuck out of the way because their past words and actions do not instill and trust and inspiration in me. Bernie does.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)fredamae
(4,458 posts)of their selective Disconnect with the people they say they serve
"Bernie Sanders Senate colleagues stunned by his ascent"
IF "they'd" been positively responding to "us" over the past 10 Years they would Not be compelled to create a Façade of being "Stunned", Surprised, Shocked and Bewildered. I call BS. They Knew and they Know Now Exactly Why!
After the election, they instead chose to tell Us..who worked So hard for Them/Elected them in 2008 believing in Hope/Change/Transparency/Feet Held to Fire etc etc etc...What "we" ended up with...after all that...is thanks but no thanks as they tossed our seat at the table out the door and quietly, firmly closed it in our faces........
Oh, they listened....Why else would Rahm call "us" "eff'n retarded"?
Why else would Schumer compare the progressives/populists/liberals to the Tea Party?
They knew then and they know now...why. Don't let them distract you with This bs!
"We" have called, emailed, visited and expressed our dissatisfaction regarding Dem Party Job Performance.....and they ignored, deleted, tossed and otherwise "dumped us" and our feedback. Even as they Suffered Huge Losses in 2010/2012/2014...they still, with a Straight Face say "they're stunned"? lol
Willful Ignorance, I say.
They brought it upon themselves.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Maybe stop believing the Luntzes out there who tell them they have to go to the right to win elections.
QC
(26,371 posts)other than rich people and their functionaries.
But then I'm sure Louis and Marie had no idea how angry the peasants were on this day in 1789.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)I realize that attempting to instill doubt about his chances is all the Hillary camp really has. Undoubtedly she would like to be able to attack him on issues using nebulous statements, but the fact is the base is overwhelmingly aligned with Sanders views and policies, and doing so would expose her corporatist friendly agenda. The debates will be quite interesting.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)hitting back with a lie to try to regain control of the message.
And, of course, the scary "socialist" word.
http://billmoyers.com/2015/06/01/mainstream-bernie-sanders/
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)The Horror!