2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumCharles Pierce's excellent summary of last night's mess:
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...Nobody understood what was going on here. Almost everyone watched the crowds in Madison in the snow last year and missed the great force of resentment and anger that was building on the other side. Almost everyone listened to the exit polls early last evening and missed the great frustration of people who might not like what Walker had done, but they hated the idea of a recall even more.
(One MSNBC exit poll had 60 percent of the people who voted believing that recalls should only be employed in cases of actual criminality. Two points: 1) the last recall of a governor was Gray Davis in California, and he was dumped primarily because Enron rigged the electricity market and because a lot of important people coughChrisMatthewscough wanted a political career for meat-puppet Arnold Schwarzeneggar; and 2) if the John Doe investigation now lapping around Walker's heels begins to heat up, those 60 percent of the people may get what they want after all.)
(And, while we're on the subject of exit polls and "calling" races, shame on NBC and MSNBC for waiting an entire 49 minutes to show the rest of the country how very, very smart they are. A full hour after NBC made their call, there were still people waiting in line at the Zeidler Building in downtown Milwaukee, waiting to vote. Thought experiment: Imagine if NBC had "called" a race for a Democratic candidate while there were still voters waiting in line in heavily Republican districts. The howling from the wingnut peanut gallery would drown out the Indy 500. Milwaukee had trouble all day with precincts having sufficient ballots and registration forms. Remarkably, this was not the case in the suburbs, where turnout was equally heavy. Remarkable.)
(Oh, and the Zeidler Building is named for Frank P. Zeidler, the last Socialist mayor of a major American city, and someone whom I knew, and who would not take any of this nonsense lying down...)
...As hard as Scott Walker may want to pretend to be a conciliator, as hard as he wants to fool the national press in their hopeless quest for a "reasonable" Republican that they can hitch to their centrist Cinderella's carriage, he knows good and goddamn well that it's not in the cards. The forces that put him in office, and the forces that kept him there last night, are too strong for any of that, even if he were sincere, which he most assuredly was not. He is a political creature of the Wisconsin that the people in the Exposition Center last night see in their minds. He cannot exist as a political creature outside of the Wisconsin his supporters believe themselves to have re-captured for good. They are not going to be reasonable. They are going to move further toward the extreme and he's going to move with them, because he is a star now, and he has a role to play...
Long piece, but completely dialed in to the zeitgeist:
http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/wisconsin-recall-election-results-9465246#ixzz1x119fMZX
shcrane71
(1,721 posts)Walker is under criminal investigation. Exit polls show that voters said they would vote for Obama in November (I heard up by 12 points), but they voted for Walker this time around. I can't believe that.
Voters came out in unprecedented numbers to vote for the status quo?!?! Voters came out in record numbers to vote for someone who paints teachers as "Union Thugs"?!?!
Never has so much money been poured into Wisconsin politics. Cable subscriptions are down, and the network broadcast model is quickly becoming a place that advertising are reconsidering putting their dollars. Citizens United gives the cash infusion that networks need. NBC called the race with less than 10% of precincts reporting their results. NBC wasn't getting much money from the grassroots Democrats.
The whole election feels like it was rigged. Smells too fishy to buy.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)it was used in the media message supporting him for almost a year.
When Wisconsin's largest newspaper endorsed Walker, it wasn't really an endorsement of Walker, it was a rebuff of the recall.
It was out in the open it simply wasn't countered effectively.
It's certainly among many things that will need to be examined in the post-mortem.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)illegal activity, won't we?
Of course, if it looks like the handwriting is on the wall for a criminal prosecution, Walker might just resign. We had the same thing happen here in CT: John Rowland, our several term Repub. governor, was forced to resign (and later was convicted and sent to prison), his Lt. Gov. Jodi ("I didn't know what was going on" Rell took over and served out his term and one on her own. We now have a good Democrat, Dannel Malloy, as our governor but his win was a squeak.
It seems to me that this all will work out fine for the repub agenda in WI, even if Walker resigns. His Lt. Gov. is a repub and my guess is she'll just continue the Walker policies. Maybe it will be like CT and WI can only get a chance for a a decent progressive in their governor once the new Gov's term is up.
Bonduel
(96 posts)be impeached. He is going to most likely finish out his term.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)I was assuming that he could.
Besides, in the case of John Rowland, his guilt was pretty evident. You can't serve as governor from a prison cell, so the bastard resigned and sure enough, he was easily convicted and served time. "Mother" Rell (aka Snow White) took over so the republicans still held the office. No biggie for them.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... do that here, but that concept never got any mention.
life long demo
(1,113 posts)What else is there to say.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)just because they don't like recalls can sleep well with their high and might principles while their children's schools are being gutted and when their employers demand a cut in their pay and benefits because there are no unions to stand up for them.
I guess all I can say is 'good luck and enjoy'
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)If what you say is true, and I think there is a lot of truth to it, it may be that those voters think they are being "high minded" and aren't fully appreciating the forces arrayed against them (as you artfully point out). The race to the bottom just keeps going on and on and the people aren't fully aware that they are being screwed.
Case in point: I overheard a conversation between two youngish men stocking the shelves in my supermarket. They worked for the supplier's company. One guy was saying how he worked only on commission and the company had cut out bonuses and was cutting out any increase in their mileage allowance, which was measly. I wanted to ask these guys if they voted Republican but of course I didn't. These men were shaking their heads in disbelief at what was happening to them, but I wondered if they just felt helpless. It was disturbing...
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)I don't think people get it and, until it threatens them, they won't.
Either they just don't pay any real attention to politics and think 'they're all the same' or just not paying attention at all.
The ones I don't get are the people who are fully politically aware yet vote against themselves time after time.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)true believers that they will someday be rich so they don't want to vote in policies that would limit their riches. It has to be a blind allegiance to ideology because they really aren't seeing it pay off in their own lives. Then the repubs come along and tell them that yes, their lives are bad but the reason lies with the bad union thugs or government workers or "illegals" or whoever "other" they can single out. Divide and conquer, indeed. It works.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Frustrating that people, politically aware or not, just believe what they are spoon fed on the TV and will not do any research, even if it means a better life for them or not. I understand not knowing everything about everything but people should be informed on issues if they are going to vote on them.
If what you say is true, and they know exactly what's going on, but just hope to be in the 1% they are protecting someday, Then there is nothing anybody can really do about such unrealistic expectations.
Ah, well. What can you do? You can't really do anything for the willfully ignorant.