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Team Clinton worried about Bernie Sanders campaignBy Ben Kamisar * The Hill * 7/6/2015
Hillary Clintons campaign is worried about Bernie Sanders, whom a top Clinton aide described as a serious force in the 2016 battle.
We are worried about him, sure. He will be a serious force for the campaign, and I dont think that will diminish, Clinton Communications Director Jennifer Palmieri said Monday in an interview with MSNBC's "Morning Joe."
It's to be expected that Sanders would do well in a Democratic primary, and hes going to do well in Iowa in the Democratic caucus. Sanders, an independent senator from Vermont, has emerged as Clinton's main foil in the Democratic primary.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/246910-team-clinton-worried-about-sanders
Hepburn
(21,054 posts)I started out supporting Hillary -- and still like her a great deal. I even donated to her campaign. Then I started to listen to Bernie and found that while I still liked Hillary, I just liked Bernie better. I just sent a donation to his campaign.
Let's say that Bernie reminds me of FDR and HST and, boy, do we need them now!
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)yep.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)yes I will vote for her if she's the nominee but I say Bernie for Pres.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)of Hillary's shot at the presidency has come and gone.. The second third way two term presidency was filled by Obama... Democrats want real change, the kind of change represented by FDR. It's not going to take people long to come up with the same conclusion that you did.. Hillary represents the status quo..
LiberalLovinLug
(14,174 posts)The only way Democrats could stomach a third way President was after the absolute debacle of the Bush presidency. Although for a while there we almost thought we had some kind of progressive super hero on our hands. I gather that HRC would have done very similar to Obama. Welcoming in social liberal progress, but hard-nosed on keeping the status quo where it really counts and shielding the financial district. So it was a wash either way.
But that time has passed. Hilliary is still living in 2008 and championing the Clintonize neo-liberal policies. I'm sure she doesn't want to start lying her way into office, and that could be why she is so silent, but she'll soon have to start, much like her predecessor did, and begin to pretend she is on board with much of what Warren and Sanders are selling. Just win baby. Then she can go back to her friends at Goldman Sachs and pat their hands and assure them not to worry, it was all "election talk" so it doesn't count.
raindaddy
(1,370 posts)And really well expressed!
Hillarys not the passionate orator Obama is. Just don't think she's going to be able to pull off the lies. People will be able to contrast her claim to be a populist with Bernie's genuineness.
CrispyQ
(36,478 posts)Change has come
(2,372 posts)and works on so many levels.
hootinholler
(26,449 posts)I mean Hunter was a great writer, but way too gonzo for Bernie to be even close to him.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)We were somewhere around Independence on the edge of a cornfield when the drugs began to take hold...
-Bernie-
(34 posts)Miss dear old HST...
zeemike
(18,998 posts)Reminds me of a song...
America needs you
Harry Truman
Harry could you please come home?
Things are lookin' bad
I know you would be mad
To see your favorite men
Prevail upon the land you love
America's wondering
How we got here
Harry all we get is lies
We're gettin' safer cars
Rocket ships to mars
From men who'd sell us out
To get themselves a piece of power
We'd love to hear you speak your mind
In plain and simple ways
Call a spade a spade
Just like you did back in the days
You would play piano
Each mornin' walk a mile
Speak of what was goin' down
With honesty and style
America's calling
Harry Truman
Harry you know what to do
The world is turnin' round and losin' lots of ground
Oh Harry is there somethin'
We can do to save the land we love?
Oh whoa whoa whoa
America's calling
Harry Truman
Harry you know what to do
The world is turnin' 'round
And losin' lots of ground
Harry is there somethin'
We can do to save the land we love
Oh, Harry is there somethin'
We can do to save the land we love
Harry
Harry is there somethin'
We can do to save the land we love
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onehandle
(51,122 posts)What's 'official' is that this is politics.
Nothing more.
43%+ lead.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Peoples best interests, the average citizen, it's not a horse race..
Or at least it should not be acted as such...
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)because he's seen as genuinely fighting for the
"Peoples best interests, the average citizen", not Wall St.
AuntPatsy
(9,904 posts)Up with corporate interests being of more value than the average citizen...
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Just take the recent Supremes' case. A law passed by Congress (ACA) could have been emasculated by 5 unelected justices due to a small 4-word error. Luckily, that didn't happen.
marble falls
(57,112 posts)I would like Hillary to explain her position re: Keystone, TPP, fracking. She'll have my time, my money, my enthusiastic vote, a yard sign location, a bumper stickered bumper here in Tea Party Texas with me anyways, but couldn't she at least let us understand her principled reasoned support for things 90% of the party just does not want? Coincidentally enough, to my chagrin, the teabillies around here no problem with her stance on TPP, Keystone, fracking.
That's not partisan bickering, that's a reasonable and honest question.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)They should be. Bernie has at least 100,000 people that are willing to knock on doors for him.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)That's double what I was told by the head of the Minnesotans for Bernie guy, back in June. We have a big meeting tomorrow so I will have an update on how many in just Minnesota and I will pass this along in case he hasn't heard the latest number.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)You KNOW when Sanders went to the Democratic Party Bosses and got their blessings to run as a Democrat, the Bosses said, "Sure, let him run, it's not like he's going to win or anything."
And once again the Conventional Wizdumb is turned on it's little pointy head.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Best to treat every threat as an existential one and act accordingly.
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99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)but I think this is the very first I've seen of Hillary's campaign admitting
that they're "worried" .. to me that's an important milestone.
LiberalArkie
(15,719 posts)pisses off way too many people.
Baitball Blogger
(46,740 posts)It's just going to take some soul-searching and maybe she should spend some time in whatever passes as the equivalent of a soup kitchen for the middle-class. Or, maybe she should spend time with the Millennials who are trying to make it in the world without the benefit of political connections?
She can be a very empathetic individual. She just needs to connect with the voter group that is going to make an impact in the next election.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)I mean, she's had her whole political life to do those things, to connect
with middle/lower class people in a convincing way.
Bernie started doing that in the 60s and hasn't stopped, he's been utterly
and consistently fighting for the Have-nots, like forever.
BIG ^ DIFFERENCE
Baitball Blogger
(46,740 posts)There are people I have talked to that are not crazy about Hillary, but don't have a clue who Bernie Sanders is.
She still has name recognition on her side. This election is still hers to win or lose.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Like her support for marriage equality: once Mrs. Clinton comes out for a position, she does it wholeheartedly. Belated, certainly, but with magnificent and unapologetic conviction.
OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)Isn't that what the common people do?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)in a very protected bubble away from regular people to really connect to people who are in very different circumstances. I suspect her empathy is most likely centered on the needs of people in the income bracket she moves around in which is not something abnormal because sensitive people are affected by those in close proximity so she's empathic to people concerned about, among other things that concern those in her income bracket, their investments.
Baitball Blogger
(46,740 posts)The problem with neo-liberals is that they think that connecting with the soi-disant leaders of every demographic is enough. This is actually the flaw in the way government operates today. The idea is to seek quick consensus with leaders on an issue, and though that sounds like the sensible thing to do there is often dirty pool being played to select "friendlies" as leaders with the idea of undermining the will of the people. (Actually, it's not hard to undermine the will of the people. Just give them false information.)
In sum, she has to go past these leaders and go straight to the people.
Now, how she does that, well, I assume she has smart people in her inner circle and they should be able to figure it out.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)otoh, no one should sit on their laurels.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)The "rope line" was a big bomb.
And the MSNBC poll...is Bernie a threat to HRC?
Yes 78%
No 22%
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)Ten days ago, her campaign manager feigned unconcern and said that polling isn't very reliable. http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251415834
So what's changed?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)The "rope line" was a big bomb.
And the MSNBC poll...is Bernie a threat to HRC?
Yes 78%
No 22%
^ this was posted just above your post and makes sense to me.
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Because he will win at least New Hampshire and do well in Iowa. They came out arrogantly that he wouldn't win a single state. Now they have to walk that back with this very unbelievable propaganda. Expect more surrogates, red baiting and Dean Screaming to come.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)He understands northern New England very well. I'm sure he will connect with NH Dems
BrotherIvan
(9,126 posts)Not sure about Iowa yet, but it's going to be interesting. She lost Iowa, so maybe the same people will vote for Bernie. I also think the more wins he racks up, his numbers will go higher because the meme that "he can't win" will be shown to be false. There are quite a few Clinton die hards as there were in 2008, but there are also plenty of people who did not vote for her. So it's going to be interesting.
demwing
(16,916 posts)in Wisconsin, that's what happened
Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Take your opponent seriously and take nothing for granted.
But I wouldn't get too excited yet. Hillary has a lot of money, name recognition, "star" power, experience and rank-and-file support.
Change has come
(2,372 posts)There is plenty of time.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)What was the context of the quote, what was tthe question she answered?
People pulling out a single sentence and proclaiming it the overall feeling about the campaign is ludicrous.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
George II
(67,782 posts)Perhaps the question was "are you worried about Sanders?" NO ONE would respond "nah, we're not worried about him", that would be stupid. That's why knowing the question and context is important before making such an "official" sweeping declaration.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...then she could have replied, "No. Bernie Sanders is a great Senator, but we're confident that voters will realize that Hillary Clinton is the better presidential candidate."
She didn't have to say that they're worried.
George II
(67,782 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)With a nod to Robert Browning: Ah, but a man's reach should exceed his grasp, or what's a heaven for?
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)If you're so interested, look it up.
I don't much care, because her words actually are very clear,
Team Clinton can't afford to try to ignore Bernie anymore,
and they have been forced -- due to Berniemania -- to
admit it publicly, via their official spokes person.
George II
(67,782 posts).....the direct question was indeed "does your campaign worry about Bernie Sanders?" From the way she answered, "we're worried about him, sure", it was almost dismissive, certainly not showing that the campaign is "OFFICIALLY" worried.
It was almost like asking Tom Brady "are you worried about the Indianapolis Colts?" and him answering, "yes, we're worried about them" just before he went out on the field and destroyed them 45-7!
So yeah, if if makes you guys happy, the Clinton campaign is "worried" about Sanders. I certainly am not.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Sanders's strong crowds only underscore the differences in the campaigning tactics between the two campaigns.
We dont need to attack each other. He'll run his campaign, we'll run ours. The imperatives for us are different. We think what works for her, particularly in Iowa, is doing a lot of small events, staying a long time, being one of the past people, if not the last person, to leave the room. That works better for us right now, she said.
What's sadly pathetic & insultingly hypocritical about the Clinton campaign clinging to these "small events" is that word is already out that those little intimate gatherings were only with pre-screened HRC supporters and staff members - with the exception being the gala fund raising soirees at the multimillionaires' gated and guarded estates.
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)populated by people who already support you, how many new voters does that bring in? Sounds like you're leaving the tough job of converting/recruiting new voters solely to your supporters. Is HRC not capable of winning over undecideds by herself, or is she simply trying to stay in a bubble where no awkward questions can be asked?
George II
(67,782 posts)...and right behind the candidates. You can't tell me Sanders' campaign didn't do that too.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Check out the article with the photo of Hillary with the three plants. Now you are free to claim that Bernie did this IF you have one scintilla, one shred of proof. But you don't, so I just expect more dodging and deflection.
HEADLINE: Campaign staff DROVE 'ordinary' Iowans to Hillary's first campaign stop - including health care 'lobbyist in training' who was an Obama campaign intern and Biden chauffeur/blockquote]
SUB-HEADLINES:
Austin Bird sat for coffee on Tuesday morning in the town of LeClaire, Iowa, chatting with Hillary Clinton as photographers snapped pictures
News reports called him a 'student' and her campaign called it an unscripted event
But Clinton's Iowa political director Troy Price drove Bird and two other people to the coffee house
Bird is a hospital government relations official who interned with Barack Obama's 2012 presidential campaign
The Iowa Democratic Party, which Price ran until a month ago, tasked him to be Joe Biden's driver during an October Senate campaign trip in Davenport
From body of article:
'We were asked to come to a meeting with Troy, the three of us, at the Village Inn.'
The other two, he confirmed, were University of Iowa College Democrats president Carter Bell and Planned Parenthood of the Heartland employee Sara Sedlacek.
'It was supposed to be a strategy meeting,' Bird recalled, 'to get our thoughts about issues. But then all of a sudden he says, "Hey, we have Secretary Clinton coming in, would you like to go meet her?"' 'And then we got in a car Troy's car and we went up to the coffee house, and we sat at a table and then Hillary just came up and talked with us.'
Bird said 'we all were called.' 'I mean, Troy asked us all to do to go to a meeting with him. And we didn't really know what it was about. I mean, he did. He knew.'
It's unclear how many Iowans featured in photographs with Clinton that rocketed around the country on Tuesday were planted.[
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3040482/Campaign-staff-DROVE-ordinary-Iowans-Hillary-s-campaign-stop-including-health-care-lobbyist-training-Obama-campaign-intern-Biden-chauffeur.html#ixzz3f8dgdwn0
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hootinholler
(26,449 posts)It ain't Bernie's style.
They don't screen attendees, and he's been holding town hall style meetings when the crowd is small enough.
wordpix
(18,652 posts)If Taylor Swift stayed small, she'd still be writing songs for other musicians in Nashville, like she did when she was in high school.
George II
(67,782 posts)....six months before the first primary vote is cast.
Did you miss "that works better for us RIGHT NOW"?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)wordpix
(18,652 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)hootinholler
(26,449 posts)She can draw the big crowds anytime she wants one! She drew 4500 in New York City! Anyone would be hard pressed to get crowds that large in smaller cities, eh?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)She was a Senator from that state and NYC has 9 million people...but she drew half that.
George II
(67,782 posts).....do you know how to get to Roosevelt Island from Manhattan or Queens?
zeemike
(18,998 posts)So you mean you can't get to there from Manhattan? or Queens?
If it is too much trouble I guess her supporters are lazy or not too enthusiastic then.
But I am sure she planned it that way on purpose.
George II
(67,782 posts).....sheesh. OF COURSE she planned it that way. It was a good idea to hold an event like that there, security is easier than holding it in Central Park or some other venue.
The facts are that virtually the only way to access Roosevelt Island is by mass transit, and it's not easy (small tram from Manhattan, city bus from Queens) so there wouldn't have been a massive turnout.
And there are only 9500 residents on Roosevelt Island.
We are STILL months away from the campaign heating up, lots of time for her to hold the events and rallies that Sanders supporters want her to hold.
Suggestion - Sanders hold his events the way he wants and Clinton hold her events the way she wants. Whether it's 10,000 or 4,500, they're still going to be covered and people ALL OVER the country are going to see what each of them say.
zeemike
(18,998 posts)But it is too much trouble...you would have to ride mass transit...committed yes but not that committed.
But your suggestion is moot because I think they are holding them the way they want.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)"We think what works for her, particularly in Iowa, is doing a lot of small events, staying a long time, being one of the last people, if not the last person, to leave the room. That works better for us right now, she said.
Huh?
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)doing better.
rocktivity
(44,577 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 6, 2015, 05:40 PM - Edit history (1)
Eight years ago, I said that that Hillary would have to win "early, often, and most important, by demoralizing margins" (which I now define as by at least four points). Hillary will be doomed to repeat her history indeed if she's forgotten that her previous NH margin of victory was so thin, she and Obama got the same number of delegates. And what with Bernie being a New England "hometown boy" politically speaking, it's entirely possible that history could repeat itself.
rocktivity
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)but Hillary is a war hawk.
appalachiablue
(41,146 posts)Aryan nationalist with Storm Front and a Klan member. That's why he likes Scandinavia so much. JC, it's really becoming painful to watch the decent, into lunacy.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)Smacks of desperation.
coyote
(1,561 posts)I like you stonecutter. You're funny.
demwing
(16,916 posts)You should be worried because after Hillary fails to secure the nomination for a second time, she'll have to give up all hope of ever becoming POTUS,
In fact, I'm more worried for you. I don't think your heart will take it very well, poor thing!
arcane1
(38,613 posts)Try it.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)The Hillary campaign would be attacked for being brash, overconfident and disrespectful.
And if Jennifer Palmieri said nothing, the press would blast the Hillary campaign for failing to open up to the press.
Jennifer Palmieri says they're worried, and an entire article is dedicated to portray the Hilary campaign as scared shitlesss of Bernie Sanders.
No-win situation.
Stupid article.
This is why it's good to just ignore the media.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Shame on us Bernistas for paying attention to such things!!
milestone 1: Bernie who?
milestone 2: oh yah, you mean that obscure Socialist wannabe?
milestone 3: we are not worried about Sanders. Ha-ha ... He can never win.
milestone 4: we are worried.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)My post was more about the media and the way they try to generate controversy by any means necessary.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)That's probably true to some extent. But the press could focus on O'Malley
that way too, and has actually, as O'Malley's been attacking Bernie on
gun control, and press loves that too. It's what the press does, right or
wrong.
This is actually one of the most refreshing things about Bernie for me, is
that he gracefully refuses to get drawn into attacking anyone, except who
he's REALLY running against .. Wall St. , the MIC which may sometimes
include their political sock-puppets, whoever they are. But he chooses
the high road, on principle yes, but also because he understands all too
well what you are saying about how the press functions (or dis-functions,
if you prefer), and he just doesn't take the bait.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)this primary. She hoped to coast on large fundraisers, polished videos and rest up for the general.
She didn't learn from 2008.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)This "story" is recycled from a News Max "story". (look at the back links) I watched the actual interview with Jennifer Palmieri. She was playing the game. Clinton doesn't want to appear like she is completely dismissing Bernie so they throw out a bone.
Clinton will need a few of the mature Sanders supporters.
You can spin this however you want but there isn't any there.... there. It's not "official" and there is no "Team Clinton" that is worried (unless you consider the News Max spin on this)