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I love Sen, Sanders ideas on our economy and solutions to it's problems. But, he rarely speaks on international issues. Amb. Clinton has strong international credentials. What will Sen, Sanders do to improve our international standing in the world?
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)... mass murder, chaos, war, civil war, migrating masses of refugees, and revival of murderous historic sectarian antipathies?
"Credentials".
Credentials?
Credentials.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)I was asking a legitimate question about the ideas of both candidates, not trying to start anti Hillary ranting. We are all liberals, progressives here. It's not necessary to hate one candidate to like another. A good voter is one who understands the ideas of all candidates and then decides. I only see that Sen. Sanders rarely discusses that other important part of the presidency, international relations. I had hoped his supporters could help me know his positions better.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Warpy
(111,339 posts)Clinton is a hawk. Sanders is not.
I want to keep this country out of more financially ruinous wars of corporate convenience. Not continuing a ruinous economic strategy along with that seals the deal.
Ergo, I don't respect the credentials her fans are so impressed by.
quickesst
(6,283 posts)This should tell you where many of Sander's supporters priorities are. Like mean spirited ten year olds in a virtual playground. Their blatant hatred of HRC far outweighs any support the have for Bernie.
George II
(67,782 posts)....welcome to DU.
George II
(67,782 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)99Forever
(14,524 posts)....I would suggest you look up and listen to his own words on any subject you "are concerned" about.
I'll pass on Clinton's chickenhawk warmongering international "experience" personally. But that's your call for you.
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tritsofme
(17,399 posts)To smear Hillary. Good job.
Will your next post be about Vince Foster?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Her history is out there, documented through FOIA requests. Her baggage is massive. She will have to deal with ALL of this in a general election, yet she can't even deal with it in the primary - avoiding press conferences and unscreened questions. If you can't defend her now with factual rebuttals (not attacking the messenger), what will you do in the general election? Bernie, on the other hand does not have said baggage.
tritsofme
(17,399 posts)I honestly can't believe unadulterated right wing propaganda is being used to smear Hillary, usually you all are at least a little more clever. But now you are directly quoting a right wing nut job, and taking him at his word. Unbelievable.
The nonsense they spout does not merit response.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)And aren't you grateful no one is touching the farcical slapstick of dodging sniper fire in Bosnia?
Hey, the OP brought up the subject of HRC's international experience. What are you? The Legion of Decency to ban best-selling books?
The book's been out for a year, more than enough time for the Clintons or a surrogate to put together a response.
tritsofme
(17,399 posts)These right wing hit jobs on Hillary really seem to tickle you, huh?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)And it makes sense that Obama would neutralize her as SOS. Brilliant on his part. The old, keep your friends close but your enemies closer. "It turned out to be a brilliant political maneuver by Obama, making it impossible for her to challenge him, unless she left the administration, and not giving her an excuse that she could resign in protest. So she was stuck."
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Perhaps "looking for information" isn't actually your true motive, eh?
tritsofme
(17,399 posts)Defending Bill Kristol and his neocon friends in their delusional right wing smears is not a good look on people here.
And I have no idea what you based your little "looking for information" dig on, but cute I guess.
George II
(67,782 posts)Cha
(297,655 posts).. it got a HIDE!
George II
(67,782 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)With the books debut this week at No. 10, there are now three Clinton-related volumes on the hardcover nonfiction list; Halper joins Edward Klein, whose Blood Feud is No. 3 after five weeks, and Hillary Clinton herself, whose Hard Choices is No. 5 after seven weeks. This state of affairs is nothing new.
By my count, the Clintons have featured in more than 60 best sellers since entering the national stage in 1992. And they retain a close interest in whats written about them, according to Halper. While I was still reporting on my book, he told Politico last month, James Carvilles office called, seemingly out of the blue, to grill me on whom Id already spoken to. I obviously refused to indulge the questioner. Halper also said that Clintons publisher had reached out to his publisher for information about the book, and that Clintonites were scrambling to identify his unnamed sources. Ive found the task of covering the Clintons fascinating, he said. Theyre not exactly the people we see on television. They may, however, be the people we see in literature.
Halper sets his tone by opening Clinton, Inc. with a damning line from The Great Gatsby: They were careless people, Tom and Daisy they smashed up things and creatures and then retreated back into . . . whatever it was that kept them together, and let other people clean up the mess they had made.
elleng
(131,107 posts)Not entirely on point as it's from a candidate you didn't mention, but well worth everyone's attention.
http://www.c-span.org/video/?326811-1/former-governor-martin-omalley-us-national-security
jehop61
(1,735 posts)At last, some good information to help determine who might be the candidate to support. Why are some folks so divisive?
elleng
(131,107 posts)Not sure, bad day yesterday??? (CAN'T be that!) but just read a piece by Gary Hart, 'Vanity politics,' http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251416289. I'm afraid it's becoming/become an integral part of our 'discourse.'
FSogol
(45,526 posts)raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Especially multinational corporations and Wall St. will lead to fundamental and lasting changes internationally that not just we, but the entire world, will benefit from.
And of course, taking care of our injured veterans is a big deal for Bernie and I believe that includes not making more under false pretenses .
I'm part of a small cadre who think it really reflects poorly on us, internationally, when we bomb the wrong people.
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jehop61
(1,735 posts)it was early on a sunday :
LWolf
(46,179 posts)It confuses me. I've heard, all of my life, people complaining that the politicians they've elected don't "walk their talk." But during campaign season, when they are evaluating candidates and choosing which to cast their vote for, so many seem to weigh campaign speeches so much more heavily than the road a candidate has already walked. I don't know what questions you have about international issues, but it seems like looking at the candidates' records would be more telling than listening to campaign speeches anyway. I'll bet, if you show up to a town hall meeting with Sanders and ask him, he'll have answers. Meanwhile, take a look at his walk:
Sanders voted against the AUMF. Clinton voted for it. That alone draws a clear distinction between the two of them on international military intervention.
Sanders voted against NAFTA while Clinton championed it as first lady. Sanders opposes the current "fast track" and TPP while Clinton side-steps it. That says a great deal about where they stand on trade with the international community.
Here's more:
http://www.ontheissues.org/international/Bernie_Sanders_Foreign_Policy.htm
http://www.ontheissues.org/International/Bernie_Sanders_War_+_Peace.htm
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/03/03/bernie-sanders-slams-netanyahus-warmongering-speech-congress.html
Mister Ed
(5,943 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)Chan790
(20,176 posts)That would do a great deal to improve our international standing, don't you think?
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)The mystery here is.... what is the mystery?
We've followed Sec/Sen Clinton's prescriptions to the TEE.
For the last 15 years.
Were they smart? Were they wise? Did they work?
It's 7:00 on the east coast. Turn on the news.
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)One who doesn't constantly feel the United States has to be the 'policeman of the world', but instead deploys our forces only as part of joint UN-led forces. Bond us into the international community, rather than simply always being the biggest bully on the block.