2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumRemember When Hillary Clinton Was Against Gay Marriage?
http://gawker.com/remember-when-hillary-clinton-was-against-gay-marriage-1714147439The video above is from 2004, when Clinton was a senator. In it, she says I believe marriage is not just a bond but a sacred bond between a man and a woman. The talk continued:
...the fundamental bedrock principle that [marriage] exists between a man and a woman, going back into the midst of history as one of the founding, foundational institutions of history and humanity and civilization, and that its primary, principal role during those millennia has been the raising and socializing of children for the society into which they are to become adults.
A decade prior, she stood by her husband as he signed the Defense of Marriage Act, a piece of legislation that codified gay Americas second-class status. So its fair to say that Hillary Clinton has had a longstanding opposition to gay marriageeither that, or she was too afraid to speak truthfully about her convictions for political reasons, which is really just as bad. Only in 2013, as a presumptive 2016 presidential contender, did Clinton reverse her stance.
Because Pepperidge Farm remembers.
upaloopa
(11,417 posts)or evolved on marriage equality but Hillary.
longship
(40,416 posts)After all, he too ran against marriage equality in 2008.
I have announced no preference in the 2016 primaries -- it is just too damned early and I object to permanent presidential campaigns -- but this is a slam against one of the candidates because she has changed her mind.
My response? So what!
Some people are co-opting negative campaign rhetoric. As if that does any good. And on today of all days for this topic.
I find this a bit disgusting.
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)He said he evolved into accepting it.....actually Biden dragged him in hook, line and sinker.
longship
(40,416 posts)if he was not already on board with it. If I remember correctly it was only a day or two between Biden's public statement and Obama's.
That does not at all look like Biden dragging him in. In fact, quite the contrary. He went there because he wanted to, because he had changed his mind about advocating for marriage equality.
RadiationTherapy
(5,818 posts)Despite her many speeches; despite her religious fawning; despite her political will and wit - gay marriage is legal.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)But now many are crediting him with this victory even though he had zero to do with this case.
joshcryer
(62,276 posts)...during the 2008 campaign. It was pandering. They were passing anti-gay laws all the way up until freaking 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._state_constitutional_amendments_banning_same-sex_unions_by_type
It sucks but it was pandering.
I actually don't like the evolved rhetoric because Clinton, for example, she acted like it didn't cross her mind. As if she didn't get daily focus group polls about it and didn't shift exactly at the same time the polls did (as did Obama, but he didn't excuse it as an evolution to the same extent as Clinton).
They didn't evolve, they shifted the rhetoric to represent constituents.
former9thward
(32,077 posts)OKNancy
(41,832 posts)Not that die-hard Hillary detractors will care, or take the time to read this:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2013/03/18/how-hillary-clinton-evolved-on-gay-marriage/
Historic NY
(37,453 posts)the woods around here doesn't see anything except blind hatred.
LynneSin
(95,337 posts)what can I say? I was rural PA and didn't know any gay people so hating them was pretty easy to do. But when I got to college and met people, became good friends and found out later they were gay eventually my thinking also evolved. That was the 80's.
So I know I evolved with my thinking and it was joining here at DU where I truly understood about marriage equality (before DU I was on the civil union boat think 'at least it's something'). So I'm not looking for who got their stamp first with marriage equality. I know all 4 current democratic candidates are ardent supporters which is good enough for me. And if Biden joins maybe Jill will post those photos of Joe running around the White House using the pride flag like a superhero cape!
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)i think i heard yesterday that 10 years ago approval was at 30% for s.sx.m. but now it is %60. hillary or anyone's history on this is easily found for anyone who wants to look.
what i am curious about is now that hrc and bs are of the same position, will their prior feelings influence primary voters? i have a feeling economics, trade, foreign policy,wars, etc are going to be more important because they have clear differences there.
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