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The ad popped up on my screen when I was checking out a fracking article. It has a photo of Bernie, with another photo of Hillary slightly behind him. The wording includes the incredible statement, "send a progressive like Hillary or Bernie to the Oval Office."
I'd say they're taking Bernie and the large number of people who have donated to his campaign in such a short time quite seriously! And what a stretch to promote Hillary as a progressive.
Trying to siphon off funds that would be donated to Bernie. I sincerely trust that none of Bernie's supporters on DU are gullible enough to send funds to the Democratic National committee. I stopped doing that years ago - always give directly to candidates at federal, state and local level.
Elect a Democrat to the White House in 2016
It's time to commit to electing a Democratic president in 2016. Add your name to say you're ready to send a progressive like Hillary or Bernie to the Oval Office.
Paid for by the Democratic National Committee. Democrats.org. Not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee.
on edit: this was the link on which the ad appeared: http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/08/nuns-bluegrass-pipeline-loretto?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+motherjones%2Fmain+%28MotherJones.com+Main+Article+Feed%29
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)The Political Society .
Autumn
(45,120 posts)And maybe I'll send a note to the DNC thanking them for a reminder.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)I've sent the DNC a few heated notes in the past, looks like another one is in order. And Bernie is due for another donation from me.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)mother earth
(6,002 posts)TBF
(32,086 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)I give to both and I am a member of Move-on. I support Hillary.
You don't own the word progressive and you won't own Move-on or the DNC.
MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)or my vote.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)cui bono
(19,926 posts)Autumn
(45,120 posts)It's always best to donate to the candidate that fits your values and supports your issues. I see no reason for my money to go to blue dogs who don't support me. Their idea on the debates is disgusting.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Obviously, I never said what you attributed to me. Now play nice!
And linking MoveOn.org to the DNC is even more preposterous than calling HRC a progressive. Actually, I've supported MoveOn.org for many years. They've done some great pieces on Bernie.
http://front.moveon.org/tag/bernie-sanders/#.VW4vslKnaDE
Bernie Sanders
A Republican Blames A 'Global Warming Hoax' On MoveOn, But Bernie Sanders Isn't Having It
The Powerful Bernie Sanders Quote That Has Been Shared Thousands Of Times
Bernie's No-Bullsh_t Defense Of Social Security That's All Over Facebook
Bernie Sanders Has An Amazingly Simple Idea To Fix Social Security For The Next 75 Years
Bernie Sanders On The Devastating Effects Of The Farm Bill
Bernie Sanders On Why Some Billionaires Are Running For The Border
Bernie Sanders On How The Supreme Court Sold American Democracy To The Highest Bidder
Citizens United explained like only Bernie can.
A Hauntingly Beautiful Clip About What Is Happening To The Middle Class
A powerful Bernie Sanders speech, illustrated via melting ice sculpture. Watch:
Bernie Sanders Slays The GOP ''Debt'' Monster With 5 Minutes Of Pure Common Sense
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)it's Corporation Republicans .
Response to upaloopa (Reply #3)
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Divernan
(15,480 posts)http://front.moveon.org/moveon-reacts-to-hillary-clintons-comments/#.VW4yJlKnaDE
MoveOn Reacts to Hillary Clinton's Comments
By Brian Stewart. Tuesday, August 12 2014
Statement from Ilya Sheyman, Executive Director of MoveOn Political Action, in response to reported comments from former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton:
Secretary Clinton, and any other person thinking about seeking the Democratic nomination in 2016, should think long and hard before embracing the same policies advocated by right-wing war hawks that got America into Iraq in the first place and helped set the stage for Iraqs troubles today. These hawkish policy stances are also threatening to undermine the peaceful international resolution of Irans nuclear program.
Voters elected President Obama in 2008 to bring the war in Iraq to an end. MoveOn members will continue to stand with elected officials who oppose military escalation that could put us back on a path to endless war.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)The Rule Of Law: 1. If The Facts Are Against You, Argue The Law.
2. If the law is against you, argue the facts.
3. If the facts AND and the law are against you, yell like hell and call the other lawyer names!
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Thank you, history and the web - the truth shall set us free!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/us/politics/15donate.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1205594133-dqwJKQD5QfyPdnTN623rfA&
Delegate Battles Snarl Democrats in Two States
By MICHAEL LUO and JOHN M. BRODER
Published: March 15, 2008
Democrats in Michigan and Florida struggled Friday to resolve the impasse over their disputed January primaries, coming up with a plan to hold a June primary in Michigan while remaining deadlocked in Florida.
Reflecting how tense the situation has become, influential fund-raisers for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton have stepped up their behind-the-scenes pressure on national party leaders to resolve the matter, with some even threatening to withhold their donations to the Democratic National Committee unless it seats the delegates from the two states or holds new primaries there.
Pushing to seat the Florida delegates, at least one top Clinton fund-raiser, Paul Cejas, a Miami businessman who has given the Democratic National Committee $63,500 since 2003, has demanded Democratic officials return his 2007 contribution of $28,500, which they have agreed to do. If youre not going to count my vote, Im not going to give you my money, said Mr. Cejas, who was the United States ambassador to Belgium from 1998 to 2001.
Christopher Korge, a Florida real estate developer who is another top fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton, held an event last year in his home that brought in about $140,000 for the national party, which was set aside in a special account for the general election battle in Florida. But he told committee officials this week that if Floridas delegate conundrum was not settled satisfactorily he would be asking for the money back. If we do not resolve this issue, Mr. Korge said, I think its safe to say there will be a request for a return of $140,000.
http://americablog.com/2008/03/hillary-urging-donors-to-blackmail-dnc-into-stealing-the-election-for-her.html
Written by: John Aravosis is the former editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown (1989); and worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, and as a stringer for the Economist.
Hillary urging donors to blackmail DNC into stealing the election for her
3/15/08 1:12pm by John Aravosis
Im really getting sick of Hillarys crap. Fighting tough is welcome. Fighting dirty is not. I liked Hillary. Joe and I reached out to her campaign to help them two years ago. Now, Im starting to wonder if even a small portion of the past vilification of the Clintons wasnt justified. I mean, urging your donors, for all intents and purposes, to blackmail the Democratic party? In essence, telling your donors that if you cant be the nominee then the Democrats should lose the election? (And thats exactly whats happening. Hillary wants the DNC to seat the delegates from the non-election that happened in Florida after the state willfully violated DNC rules, knowing full well what would happen if they did. Now Hillary wants all those delegates seated, from the non-election, so she can steal the election from Obama). Is it any wonder that 25% of Hillarys supporters say they wont support Obama in the general election? Hillary is the one telling them that they shouldnt support Obama, that they shouldnt support their own party. Howard Dean should tell Hillary Lieberman stop her crap, now, or resign from the Democratic party. Contrary to Her Majestys thinking, there are other Democrats worthy of leading our country. Read more about Hillarys latest attempt to steal the election, from the NYT.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Big deal, the debates and the campaigns will shake the wheat from the chaff.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)FSogol
(45,524 posts)Democratic Party trying to raise funds. I don't get it.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)FSogol
(45,524 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)one would expect all Democratic candidates to help the DNC raise money.
Nitram
(22,861 posts)The Democratic establishment is either "ignoring" Bernie or "using" him. Perhaps it's not that dire, folks. I don't have a dog in this fight yet, but the attacks on Hillary by Bernie supporters, and the constant complaining about Bernie's uphill battle are wearing thin. Please support the Democratic candidate you prefer, and let the GOP attack the one you don't, if you must. Let's not do their job for them.
mother earth
(6,002 posts)Autumn suggests. Brilliant idea.
Limiting debates is not good for the American people.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/democrats-debate-debates/story?id=30846345
Tarheel_Dem
(31,239 posts)knew that wouldn't fly, so he decided to run as a "Democrat" to take advantage of the infrastructure built by others. Quite frankly, I wish they had told him to take a hike. I agree with the socialists who he has pissed off, he should not join the Democratic Party. If he's been a so-called Independent all this time, I think it's fake.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)that they believe Bernie has a chance to win the nomination.
brooklynite
(94,713 posts)they're all democratic candates.
Any problem here?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)a stronger DNC?
As a Bernie supporter, I have to say that's not only false, but a really foolish argument to make when you're trying to get him elected as the party's nominee.
Can't have it both ways.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Impartial DNC finance chief helps Hillary Clinton
DNC rules, designed to ensure all candidates get a fair shake in presidential primaries, state: The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and even-handedness during the Democratic Party Presidential nominating process.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/impartial-dnc-finance-chief-helps-hillary-clinton-118558.html#ixzz3c3EIUaXK
And don't try to duck and dodge the subject matter by trashing Politico or its reporter of this story as a source.
If in fact you ARE a Sanders supporter, you will just love this piece Ben Schreckinger/Politico did on Bernie:
In 1988, toward the end of Sanders four-term tenure long after a local Democratic leader predicted the movement that swept Sanders into office would be gone in a decade the U.S. Conference of Mayors named Burlington the most livable city in the country with a population of under 100,000 (in a tie). Then Sanders director of community and economic development succeeded him in the mayors office and Inc. Magazine named Burlington the best city in the Northeast for a growing business.
And what about the guy who told UPI Everyones scared when the Lenin of Lake Champlain first stormed to power in 1981? That was the states then-Democratic Party chairman, Mark Kaplan. Today, hes on board with a socialist in the White House.
I actually donated to him, said Kaplan. Im kind of excited about it.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/05/how-bernie-sanderss-radical-ideas-entered-the-municipal-mainstream-118447.html#ixzz3c3FLJT4Z
Divernan
(15,480 posts)It would be fair to state that all true progressive Democrats, including "Bernie and his supporters" would like to see the augean stable known as Debbie Wasserman's DNC swept clean of it's wheeling/dealing - but pray tell, do tell us how sending money to the pro-Clinton DNC during the primary season would benefit Sanders one red cent!
And/or do provide any, I repeat ANY link quoting Bernie as pro DNC.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=410036
Now as to Hillary and her supporters, it's a different story.
Hillary's History w/ the DNC - it ain't pretty!
Thank you, history and the web - the truth shall set us free!
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/15/us/politics/15donate.html?_r=2&adxnnl=1&oref=slogin&ref=politics&adxnnlx=1205594133-dqwJKQD5QfyPdnTN623rfA&
Delegate Battles Snarl Democrats in Two States
By MICHAEL LUO and JOHN M. BRODER
Published: March 15, 2008
Democrats in Michigan and Florida struggled Friday to resolve the impasse over their disputed January primaries, coming up with a plan to hold a June primary in Michigan while remaining deadlocked in Florida.
Reflecting how tense the situation has become, influential fund-raisers for Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton have stepped up their behind-the-scenes pressure on national party leaders to resolve the matter, with some even threatening to withhold their donations to the Democratic National Committee unless it seats the delegates from the two states or holds new primaries there.
Pushing to seat the Florida delegates, at least one top Clinton fund-raiser, Paul Cejas, a Miami businessman who has given the Democratic National Committee $63,500 since 2003, has demanded Democratic officials return his 2007 contribution of $28,500, which they have agreed to do. If youre not going to count my vote, Im not going to give you my money, said Mr. Cejas, who was the United States ambassador to Belgium from 1998 to 2001.
Christopher Korge, a Florida real estate developer who is another top fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton, held an event last year in his home that brought in about $140,000 for the national party, which was set aside in a special account for the general election battle in Florida. But he told committee officials this week that if Floridas delegate conundrum was not settled satisfactorily he would be asking for the money back. If we do not resolve this issue, Mr. Korge said, I think its safe to say there will be a request for a return of $140,000.
http://americablog.com/2008/03/hillary-urging-donors-to-blackmail-dnc-into-stealing-the-election-for-her.html
Christopher Korge, a Florida real estate developer who is another top fund-raiser for Mrs. Clinton, held an event last year in his home that brought in about $140,000 for the national party, which was set aside in a special account for the general election battle in Florida. But he told committee officials this week that if Floridas delegate conundrum was not settled satisfactorily he would be asking for the money back. If we do not resolve this issue, Mr. Korge said, I think its safe to say there will be a request for a return of $140,000.
http://americablog.com/2008/03/hillary-urging-donors-to-blackmail-dnc-into-stealing-the-election-for-her.html
Written by: John Aravosis is the former editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown (1989); and worked in the US Senate, World Bank, Children's Defense Fund, and as a stringer for the Economist.
Hillary urging donors to blackmail DNC into stealing the election for her
3/15/08 1:12pm by John Aravosis
Im really getting sick of Hillarys crap. Fighting tough is welcome. Fighting dirty is not. I liked Hillary. Joe and I reached out to her campaign to help them two years ago. Now, Im starting to wonder if even a small portion of the past vilification of the Clintons wasnt justified. I mean, urging your donors, for all intents and purposes, to blackmail the Democratic party? In essence, telling your donors that if you cant be the nominee then the Democrats should lose the election? (And thats exactly whats happening. Hillary wants the DNC to seat the delegates from the non-election that happened in Florida after the state willfully violated DNC rules, knowing full well what would happen if they did. Now Hillary wants all those delegates seated, from the non-election, so she can steal the election from Obama). Is it any wonder that 25% of Hillarys supporters say they wont support Obama in the general election? Hillary is the one telling them that they shouldnt support Obama, that they shouldnt support their own party. Howard Dean should tell Hillary Lieberman stop her crap, now, or resign from the Democratic party. Contrary to Her Majestys thinking, there are other Democrats worthy of leading our country. Read more about Hillarys latest attempt to steal the election, from the NYT.
Written by: John Aravosis is the former editor of AMERICAblog, which he founded in 2004. He has a joint law degree (JD) and masters in Foreign Service from Georgetown (1989); and worked in the US Senate,
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)His goal is not the destruction of the Democratic Party.
If it were, he would be a manifestly unfit candidate.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)DNC uses Bernie Sanders to hit new low in sleazy, misleading grab for $$$$
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/05/01/1381733/-DNC-uses-Bernie-Sanders-to-hit-new-low-in-sleazy-misleading-request-for#
I was greeted by an email this morning that is copied below, exactly as it appeared in my inbox, including the blaring typography and the large chunk of white space towards the bottom, requiring that you scroll down to find the fine print. Does anyone believe that even one penny of the $$$$ raised by this grab for cash by the DNC will go to Bernie's campaign?
But SURELY, this must have been done with Bernie's blessing, right?
Of course not. If you're not in a rush and you have your reading glasses on and scroll down to find and read the fine print at the bottom of the email or the box at the bottom of the web page, you'll see that this was "not authorized by any candidate or candidate's committee". But the DNC is clearly counting on the fact that many people will be so thrilled that Bernie is running, that they will quickly send off a contribution without bothering to consider the fine print. We're all so used to the boilerplate that it's very easy to ignore it.
This is especially disgusting, given that one of Bernie's passions and major goals in running for the presidency is to work to get the money out of politics. (Notice that the DNC chose not to include this goal in the list of his priorities in the email.)
Some interesting comments to the above article:
"If the DNC was at all serious about helping Bernie,they would have linked to Bernie's campaign website."
and
"We get pictures of Bernie Sanders to deceptively solicit funds to be spent on people who will work diligently to undermine Bernie Sanders. I guess that's payback for Bernie horning in on their neatly-laid-out plans for a coronation of the status quo candidates they prefer. Republican gerrymandering works out awfully well for certain key people who care more about access and favors than good governance or actually winning elections to improve the lives of Americans."
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Or is that only your goal?
Because, you know, without any of that icky, dirty money, the DNC wouldn't exist. It's GOTV efforts would cease. Etc etc etc.
I reject the assumption that one must hate the Democratic Party to support Bernie Sanders.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)that is inconsistent with his candidacy.
I reject that formulation. He is running to be leader of the Democratic Party. He is not running to destroy it.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)to your claims. And obviously the DNC raising money for Hillary or any other Democratic primary candidates IS inconsistent with his candidacy.