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The DNC has no leadership! (Original Post) UCmeNdc Mar 2015 OP
Not that I would want to follow. salib Mar 2015 #1
There hasn't been since 2011. n/t earthside Mar 2015 #2
As I sit staring at the letter, they want more money from me. RKP5637 Mar 2015 #3
The objectives of the DNC Jackpine Radical Mar 2015 #7
Yep, that's pretty much the bottom line! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2015 #11
... and support campaigns of candidates you wouldn't support. Scuba Mar 2015 #12
It hasn't since 2009. DURHAM D Mar 2015 #4
You won't get any argument from me. Terra Alta Mar 2015 #5
I won't give them a dime. dgibby Mar 2015 #6
Ya think? I've been concerned for several years- appalachiablue Mar 2015 #8
Demographics and numbers. jeff47 Mar 2015 #13
that is so spot on Man from Pickens Mar 2015 #26
Younger boomer liberals may not be closely tied to the Democratic Party as their elder siblings. bklyncowgirl Mar 2015 #29
They're kicking our asses because they realize votes are earned. jeff47 Mar 2015 #30
Not true - they have Goldman, Chase, Citi, Monsanto, etc whereisjustice Mar 2015 #9
That's true cuz corporarions are people now, yep- appalachiablue Mar 2015 #10
Well, hard to argue with with your evidence... brooklynite Mar 2015 #14
I don't know what the DNC is expected TO do, but here is some of what it does: DFW Mar 2015 #15
Maybe a good time to get off the keyboard, away from collecting and analyzing meta data, appalachiablue Mar 2015 #16
Souring on the convention sounds like spin DFW Mar 2015 #17
Glad to hear it. I'm sure attending them is a really powerful experience. I enjoy watching on the appalachiablue Mar 2015 #18
Full confession here DFW Mar 2015 #19
That's ok and expected with those crowds, but just being in the same space and time must have been appalachiablue Mar 2015 #20
I never met Stone DFW Mar 2015 #21
He was polite with me as said, and dignfied. But I could tell he was cool. Didn't learn more of appalachiablue Mar 2015 #22
Only met Bush Sr. once DFW Mar 2015 #23
That is amazing, and funny. So was he a nerd, or just a remote, indifferent wasp? Didn't know of appalachiablue Mar 2015 #24
No, been living in Germany for years DFW Mar 2015 #25
The corner druggist, I can see that! Kinda geeky with a coat & pen in his pocket. Or earlier appalachiablue Mar 2015 #27
I never went to Yale DFW Mar 2015 #28

RKP5637

(67,112 posts)
3. As I sit staring at the letter, they want more money from me.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 08:47 PM
Mar 2015

What, are the objectives of the DNC ...

Jackpine Radical

(45,274 posts)
7. The objectives of the DNC
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 10:41 PM
Mar 2015

mostly involve figuring out how to get more money out of you to pay & justify their wages.

DURHAM D

(32,611 posts)
4. It hasn't since 2009.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 09:08 PM
Mar 2015

This is the way it works for the Democratic party. If you don't like it please address your concerns to the White House.

Terra Alta

(5,158 posts)
5. You won't get any argument from me.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 09:10 PM
Mar 2015

Wasserman-Schultz needs to go, and be replaced with someone competent.

dgibby

(9,474 posts)
6. I won't give them a dime.
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 09:35 PM
Mar 2015

I do donate to progressive/liberal candidates through Act Blue, but won't donate to any Dem. organization.

appalachiablue

(41,177 posts)
8. Ya think? I've been concerned for several years-
Sun Mar 22, 2015, 10:48 PM
Mar 2015

And we lack people 40-60; except for O'Malley of late most are well over 60. Huge gap.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
13. Demographics and numbers.
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 10:53 AM
Mar 2015

Older Boomers tend to be liberal.
Younger Boomers tend to be conservative
Older GenX tends to be conservative
Younger GenX tends to be liberal
Older Millennials tend to be liberal
Youner Millennials are too young to tell where they are.

Younger Boomers and older GenX are the modern Republican party.

Older Boomers aligned with FDR Democrats to form the modern Democratic party. We wacky young GenX who wanted to talk about things like high tuition and shredded safety net were not welcome in the party in the 1990s. And we weren't needed - there aren't that many of us compared to the Boomers.

With no traction, most of younger GenX swore off politics. Which then lead to younger GenX not getting positions in the party. So there's no one to take over from the older Boomers. Time will reduce the number and power of older Boomers, leaving openings for the few younger GenX that stayed active, and opening the doors for older Millennials.

Unfortunately, it's going to take a while. Older Boomers do not show much interest in attracting these people to the party.

 

Man from Pickens

(1,713 posts)
26. that is so spot on
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 05:47 PM
Mar 2015

I remember going through the '90s wondering WTF everybody was acting like it was still the '60s

bklyncowgirl

(7,960 posts)
29. Younger boomer liberals may not be closely tied to the Democratic Party as their elder siblings.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:40 PM
Mar 2015

I'm a younger boomer, 1955 and a liberal so is my husband, 1959. There are liberals in their fifties and forties but I would say that for many of us the political events that shaped our lives soured us on politics and did little to bind us to the Democratic Party.

For the older Boomers, the bright shining hope of the Kennedy Administration was the formative event in their lives. For us it was Vietnam, which was on our TV sets every night, which took the lives of many of our older friends and family members. For us Vietnam was a Democratic war. "Hey Hey LBJ, How many kids did you kill today?"

I knew people my age who voted for Nixon in '72 because he promised to end the war. We might have followed RFK or Gene McCarthy but most of us saw Humphrey and McGovern (incorrectly) as old party hacks. The next big event was Watergate which soured us even more on politics.

The Iran Hostage situation was huge. I remember standing at the edge of a demonstration of people my age calling for war and thinking NO! NO!

I voted for Carter in '76 but revolted and voted for Barry Commoner in '80 not over Iran, of course but because of Carter's support for nuclear power. Big mistake. I spent the next eight years blaming myself for Reagan. Many people my age and younger became Reaganites. I did not, in fact I was wearing a "Reagan is not my President" button on the day he was shot. One of the guys in the newsroom warned me to take it off before I went outside.

Since then I've never voted third party in a Presidential election no matter how uninspiring the Democratic candidate. Aside from that I had no desire--still have no desire to get involved with inner workings the Democratic party aside from doing what I can to help out causes or the rare candidates whose politics I really like. I've never felt myself part of the team. Frankly aside from a warm body to make calls or knock on doors I never felt myself particularly welcome.

We used to make fun of the young Republicans. That was a mistake. Those right wing Ayn Rand worshipping dweebs in their bow ties understood what we did not--what those naïve kids in the Occupy movement did not. There's a power structure in this country and if you want to make change you have to work it to use it. Those young Republicans are now the guys who are kicking our asses.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
30. They're kicking our asses because they realize votes are earned.
Tue Mar 24, 2015, 12:53 PM
Mar 2015

Those formerly-young Republicans realized they needed to earn votes. So they fought for them, and got a large block of people who will vote against their own economic interests due to lots of hard work on their part.

Meanwhile, the Democrats argue we have to vote for whoever is on the ticket. There's little effort to earn votes. Instead the campaign theme is "not as bad". That results in abysmal turnout among groups who would vote for a liberal - young GenX and older Millennials.

It was not your fault that Reagan won. It was Carter's. It was his job to earn enough votes to win. Yes, there were plenty of people fighting against him, but in the end it was his job to earn votes.

For a more current example, W getting into the White House is Gore's fault. He ran a shitty campaign. As he himself admits. He failed at his job to earn votes.

Obama got a lot more than usual young GenX and Millennial voters in 2008 because his campaign appeared to be a swing to the left. Clinton couldn't win against that pool of voters.

Clinton 2016 needs that same pool of voters to win. If Clinton 2016 cut-and-pastes her 2008 campaign, those voters will stay home and she will lose. And it will be Clinton's fault - her job is to earn those votes, not demand them.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
15. I don't know what the DNC is expected TO do, but here is some of what it does:
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 03:40 PM
Mar 2015

pays to maintain the 180 million name database
sends each of the 50 state parties $7,500/months (Howard Dean’s 50-state-strategy)
presses forward on technology’s cutting edge (via payroll and contractors) to maintain the folks who did Obama-tech in 2008 and 2012
runs opposition research and communications for the party
puts on the Convention

What they CAN'T do all on their own is get individual people off their asses to VOTE, which is why we got our asses handed to us last November. For that, the local parties (with what help DFA can provide) need support from the friendly natives.

appalachiablue

(41,177 posts)
16. Maybe a good time to get off the keyboard, away from collecting and analyzing meta data,
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 04:07 PM
Mar 2015

and sending massive email donation requests and alarms. Get up, stretch, get out and get visible to reach people outside DC at Town Halls, colleges and public events. Speak out on the issues and appear in the media, as even Bernie Sanders does whether or not he'll be a 2016 candidate. Psst...our country is in crisis, which I'm sure they must realize.
Maybe it's just spin but in 2012 I heard they're souring on the national convention, a real shame because it does help to unite and encourage constituents. Wonder if it's the cost or mostly the effort necessary to physically move and travel to meet somewhere, with humans. Motivation is sorely needed, especially to educate people on the issues and candidates, and to get them out to vote, Heaven knows.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
17. Souring on the convention sounds like spin
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 04:14 PM
Mar 2015

I've only been to one of them as an adult, but you run into EVERYBODY there, and it's heady stuff. I doubt they'll do away with it.

appalachiablue

(41,177 posts)
18. Glad to hear it. I'm sure attending them is a really powerful experience. I enjoy watching on the
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 04:20 PM
Mar 2015

TV and some of the older ones on YouTube- the crowds, speeches and spirit are lifting.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
19. Full confession here
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 04:27 PM
Mar 2015

I am a friend of the DNC Treasurer as well as the Texas Democratic Party, and I had passes to get to some places and events normal mortals did not. 70,000 people saw Obama accept the nomination. Not too many got to shake his hand and tell him congratulations in person afterward!

appalachiablue

(41,177 posts)
20. That's ok and expected with those crowds, but just being in the same space and time must have been
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 04:49 PM
Mar 2015

fantastic. I've been around some pols in the DC area at public events or from seeing them around. One of the best was a WH Conference on Americans with disabilities. When young Ted Kennedy Jr. spoke after the keynote speaker, WWII disabled Vet Harold Russell (film, 'The Best Years of Our Lives'), his father Ted Kennedy stood up in the audience and waved. That was amazing. I met I.F. 'Izzy' Stone once, helped him at work with assistive visual aids. Very nice man; my director told me who he was later. Others are just from being around the area as said.

appalachiablue

(41,177 posts)
22. He was polite with me as said, and dignfied. But I could tell he was cool. Didn't learn more of
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 05:21 PM
Mar 2015

his colorful outspoken side until later, unfortunately. I was fairly young, met with him at work several times. One of my older colleagues there, a bright attractive woman from Boston told me of LBJ picking her up once when young at an event and twirling her around. She and her husband came to DC during his admin., others I knew came during JFK's time, an academic from Dartmouth or FDR's time like the director who told me about Stone. Her father was summoned from NY to DC by FDR to oversee military and residential building projects. When she was a child, they lived in the Shoreham Hotel and commuted back to NYC.

I was lucky to be around such folks and in DC before...you know- the changes. Went right by Bush Sr. when VP at a NW DC drugstore above AU. He was walking down the men's shaving supplies aisle looking at products. Several Secret Service agents were around but subdued. He was very tall with hands behind his back, lightly smiling to any who acknowledged him. Once I walked by SCOTUS Judge John Sirica (Watergate) outside at the same center, later HUD Secy. Henry Cisneros there. Advantages of being fairly old! Tried to meet Obama during the campaign for a huge event in Leesburg at a Park, but it conflicted with work hours unfortunately.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
23. Only met Bush Sr. once
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 05:27 PM
Mar 2015

He interviewed me to get in to a school he had graduated from. If you had told me at the time, this guy would one day be president, I would have told to stop smoking whatever it was you were smoking!

appalachiablue

(41,177 posts)
24. That is amazing, and funny. So was he a nerd, or just a remote, indifferent wasp? Didn't know of
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 05:37 PM
Mar 2015

many aspects of their lineage or The Bush Family crimes until the last few years. Or Poppy and the RR's dislike of each other, Bush's longtime mistress or behind the scenes activities of sons Marvin and Neil. Are you in Texas now-

DFW

(54,445 posts)
25. No, been living in Germany for years
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 05:44 PM
Mar 2015

No, he was a perfectly pleasant nerd. Sorta the guy I would have taken for the corner druggist. I don't know what would have surprised me more, his being a future president or his having found a woman willing to be his mistress.

Never met any of the sons, which is probably a very good thing. I must have just missed W by a couple of years if that, because he went there, too (I was only there for one year).

appalachiablue

(41,177 posts)
27. The corner druggist, I can see that! Kinda geeky with a coat & pen in his pocket. Or earlier
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 06:11 PM
Mar 2015

in some clerk position, c. 1910 with an eyeshade, apron and those elastic armbands. Never had a strong speaking voice, though Cruz is about the worst for these times. I was fairly shocked to learn of his mistress too, hmm. Lucky you missed W at Yale, he must have been weird.
How's Germany? Happened to go first when young with a friend who had Univ. friends around Munich and Erlangen. My father was in the 7th Army for the Rhineland Campaign, the Dachau Liberation, then the Army of Occupation in Bavaria mostly. On a second Europe trip in college saw Freiburg, Strasburg, Munich again, Salzburg. Sister liked Italy better and Switzerland but not France which I love. As a result of that early trip I studied a lot of German in college, masochist! And only learned more about Dad's time there later.

DFW

(54,445 posts)
28. I never went to Yale
Mon Mar 23, 2015, 07:03 PM
Mar 2015

I'm talking about my last year of high school. I heard he was just another nasty, "thinks the world owes him a living" preppy like 95% of the other guys there.

My dad was mostly in France, almost never made it. His boat across the English Channel was torpedoed and he was the last man to make it off before it sunk, although I was never clear of there were others that went down with the wreck. He had taken French in high school and college, so he was sort of at home there. He was radio operator at Patton's camp the night of his fatal accident, said he had never seen such pandemonium. Saw Germany briefly, but not much of it. It wasn't even awkward when I announced I had a Grman girlfriend, and when it got "serious," and it was time for the parents to meet, it never even occurred to anyone to think of "former enemies." My wife's dad was never much of a fan of the military anyway. He had been a farm boy, got drafted at 17, sent to Stalingrad as cannon fodder, came back at age 18, hating the Nazis even worse than before. He counseled my wife's brother on how to be 4F for the West German military, and indeed, he never was inducted, assigned to civil service. His most urgent wish was for all his grandkids to be girls, who were exempted from military service. He got his wish, too. Nowadays, there is no more compulsory military service in Germany.

Germany has its good and bad points. The much-praised social safety network has its holes in the net, though I don't see much of it, luckily for me. Some of my wife's friends are not so fortunate, and live at subsistence level. Yes, they have that here. The bureaucracy here is oppressive, and the justice system is out of whack. The only people who will not be punished for breaking down your door at 3 AM are the German IRS and gangs of organized criminals, who almost always walk free if they are not German. On the other hand, our new next door neighbor bribed the city authorities to let him build a monstrous ugly house twice as big as any other in the neighborhood--adjacent to our house!! Now the guy lives all alone in a "look at all my money" house--fenced in and obstructing everyone's view of everything. They also let a 50 year old family business of Italians that ran a mom and pop (literally) ice cream café be kicked out by a greedy landlord who told them 48 hours before their lease ran out to pay double or get out. They had to leave, and both died soon after of broken hearts. We miss them terribly still keep their photos in our kitchen. Now, an ugly office of a cheap travel tour chain is in there. We refuse to set foot in the place.

Mindful of their past, the Germans are reluctant to convict ANY foreigner of anything, including murder. On the other hand, they think nothing of letting their tax people take 102% of someone's (as in my) income due to lazy government accountants not bothering to read the double taxation treaty, and just saying "gimme it all plus interest." At least their accountants have no shortage of work.

The weather usually sucks, but we love the 3 times a week open air farmers markets, the close-knit circle of friends we have are golden, and the public transportation makes up for the clogged highways.

Yin and yang, like anywhere else, I guess.

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