2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"If Elizabeth Warren wins, she's on the fast track to a National Ticket..."
--Joe Scarborough (yes, him) on "Morning Joe" this AM.
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)Before we make her President.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)If she wins the MA Senate seat, after 4 years of her 6 year term it will be 2016 and it is plausible that she could run for President, esp. if she builds a constituency within the party. I can see longtime Feminists, working class union members, certainly the elite Democrats within academia and government all being part of her support. Plus, the first woman president following the first black president sounds like a good plan to me!
MrSlayer
(22,143 posts)I just think this election should be the focus. Win this first and go from there. This isn't in the bag and that future national ticket doesn't happen without it.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)you reason to get up every day and go out to fight for what you believe. So for me it strengthens my resolve that Obama should be re-elected.
Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)It takes a loooooong time to be ready to run as President. Many experienced politicians have tried and failed. No one without years of experience, including Obama, has ever done well.
Obama had been in state politics for six to eight years, then national politics for two. He was a pretty experienced and gifted politician.
I heard one of his college professors on the radio talking about him this morning, actually. He said when he looked at his notes from Obama's first year at Harvard, the professor had put an exclamation point by Obama's name on the roster. That was because how impressive the young man was to the professor, immediately. He said that Obama was professorial, almost to a fault, from day one. He was incredibly bright, articulate, always punctual, and sat in the front of the class. When he answered a question, he would reference "Sue's" answer to the question, and state what parts she was right about, then reference "Bob's" answer and why that was correct in part, etc. The professor thought that Obama was on track to becoming mayor; he never dreamed President. My point is...Obama was a natural from the start, and he had YEARS of political and campaign experience.
Warren does not. You saw how poorly Rick Perry did. Perry...with years of political and campaign experience. Who had never lost a campaign.
But she might be able to handle a Vice President campaign. But if Clinton runs, she won't pick a woman as VP.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)That is basically what Joe was saying about her this morning on the show.
I would never compare Warren to Rick Perry. They are about as far apart, IMO, as you can get, even tho they are both natives to the Southwest (as I am).
I guess we'll have to wait and see, tho. Let's see how she does against Walker. I'm not going to give up on her yet...
liberal N proud
(60,346 posts)That is a national office, representing only one state but still a national position.
WI_DEM
(33,497 posts)than to suddenly run for president or VP.
Arkana
(24,347 posts)If she wins, she'll only have a few terms as Senator in her before she's as old as Kennedy was.
thecentristword
(187 posts)She is sharp - I think she is going to be on the fast track. She has the ability to actually communicate, which is increasingly rare these days.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)musiclawyer
(2,335 posts)If he wins, it's simply it's easy to explain by his money and voter suppression/vote destruction efforts plus the fact that lots of people just don't like recalls on principle. Anything close is a victory for the Dems really, because it likely means WI goes blue in Nov.
But Warren winning is in another stratosphere. She will be like kryptonite to the tea party politicians and wall street because of her communication skills and charisma. Because she is not in her forties or early 50's she has to be fast tracked. If she wins in Nov. and comes out favorably on other big issues like immigration, useless wars, and the war on drugs, she pretty much wins everywhere except the deep south.
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Bake
(21,977 posts)And is it really so shocking for a liberal to win an election in MASSACHUSETTS??? We're talking Ted Kennedy's seat, don't forget!
It doesn't make Warren a saint, nor a sinner. Let's get her in the Senate first and see how effective she can be.
Bake
CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Last edited Sat May 26, 2012, 03:45 PM - Edit history (1)
my wonderful freshman Senator Dick Blumenthal was immensely effective as CT A.G. He deserved his Senate seat, IMO, but you can't do any grandstanding (even good grandstanding) as a freshman Senator. She will have to pay her dues. Her vote and her voice will be extraordinarily important, but she won't go "onstage" as a freshman in the Senate. Like Obama, however, she can become an good spokesperson for the Democratic Party. That is what I understand Obama did. Plus he wrote 3 books. She's already written a book so she's a bit ahead of the game. Plus, she already has "star" status in the media.
If she wins, I see how she's got a shot at the 2016 nomination for President in the Democratic Party. If she doesn't, well, we'll see...