2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumNow that Scaife is dead, Tribune Review is pushing Webb, not Clinton
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When uber-conservative, multi-millionaire Richard Scaife was alive, (very old and a bit senile, but still alive) Hill & Bill sucked up to him so hard that Bill got contributions to his boutique, family owned "non-profit" which subsidizes the Clintons' 5 star life style and Hillary got Scaife's endorsement in the 2008 primary in the newspaper Scaife owned and published, The Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. One had to wonder what on earth quid pro quo Hillary offered to win over the extremely conservative Scaife. Now Scaife is gone (with a lovely eulogy by Bill at the memorial service) and also gone with the wind is any endorsement of HRC by the paper formerly owned by Scaife.
It was delightful to see in today's Trib-Review a very long, detailed and glowing article about Jim Webb. They like him - they really like him! And that's because he's pretty conservative for a Democrat. What I'm delighted about is that he and other Dems, including Maryland Governor Martin O'Malley, are expressing interest in making our primary a horse race and not a coronation.
Former Senator Webb explores presidential bid, tests populist message
WASHINGTON Jim Webb's parents taught him early what it means to be a leader. Different families have different discussions at the dinner table, he said. Ours was how you lead people; how do you take care of people? Those talks typically culminated in this question: What kind of leader do you want a leader who will make you do something, or make you want to do something? he told the Tribune-Review in an interview on Capitol Hill. He knew then that his life's calling was this alternating cycle of public service and independent entrepreneurship.
Webb, 69, the former senator from Virginia, is pondering whether he can gain the support necessary to make a successful run in 2016 for the Democratic nomination for president.
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Then Webb became the first potential 2016 presidential candidate to form an exploratory committee, in November. His populist style differs from other Democrats who might seek the party's nomination by putting forth sharp anti-Wall Street, anti-Koch brothers rhetoric. This is not anti-Wall Street' for me, he said. We have to grow our economy for people to have successful lives, but at the same time, we have to be fair.
He is clear that he would never vote to increase taxes on ordinary earned salary income, no matter what the level is, that is fairly earned. But he questions income such as capital gains, where you can be making millions of dollars off of stock sales and pay a lower tax rate than the firefighters putting their lives on the line.
Read more: http://triblive.com/politics/politicalheadlines/7948450-74/webb-former-populist#ixzz3UUDMTifL
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How conservative was Scaife? His was the money behind that "vast right-wing conspiracy" HRC was once so upset about. Here are just a few examples from a lengthy Washington Post article:
Mr. Scaife donated millions to such tea party-friendly groups as FreedomWorks, known for its anti-union campaigns and calls for reducing government regulation of business, privatizing Social Security and establishing English as the official language of the United States.
He was a major underwriter of the American Spectator magazines Arkansas Project to find evidence of financial and personal misdeeds by the Clintons in the 1990s. The effort included David Brocks magazine story containing allegations from four Arkansas state troopers that they helped procure women for then-Gov. Bill Clinton.
Most notably, Mr. Scaife personally hired a freelance writer to try to establish that either President Clinton or then-first lady Hillary Rodham Clinton was instrumental in the death of Deputy White House Counsel Vincent W. Foster Jr. in 1993. Foster, a former law-firm partner of the first lady, was found dead from a gunshot wound to the mouth in Fort Marcy Park in Fairfax County.
Three investigations, including one in 1997 by Independent Counsel Kenneth W. Starr, a luminary in the conservative firmament, ruled the death a suicide. Mr. Scaife was unpersuaded. In 1998, he told George magazine editor in chief John F. Kennedy Jr. that the Foster death was the Rosetta stone to the Clinton administration, referring to the ancient Egyptian stone used to decipher hieroglyphics, and that Bill Clinton can order people done away with at his will. Hes got the entire federal government behind him.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/richard-mellon-scaife-billionaire-famous-for-attacks-against-bill-clinton-has-died/2014/07/04/9e2fcace-458c-11e3-bf0c-cebf37c6f484_story.html
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)the 90's, Newsmax, The American Spectator, etc., yes?
Divernan
(15,480 posts)My point is that with Scaife DEAD, he can't order his paper to support/endorse HRC.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)Hope you are referring to the fact that it was the Clintons who solicited his support/endorsement, NOT WEBB.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)The scandals which the Republicans pushed and really did not materialize as they wanted. Guess what, Bill continued to work even with bricks being thrown. Nothing new here.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)What Democratic Party "populous message" is there that would put off "special interest identity groups"?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)this Black man can get behind. NOT!
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)what the level is, that is fairly earned.
Yeah, LEAVE THOSE BANKERS AND CEO's ALONE!!!!!
They earned that $15,000,000 salary, fair and square.
Some populist.
appalachiablue
(41,182 posts)Webb is disliked by people who think he's a hawk, neo-Confederate and Neo-Dixiecrat from the above comment. He should have stayed in the VA Senate position, that caused a shuffle. He supported the GI Bill for Vets, called out high prison incarceration for minorities back in 2005. But he might have lost his chance, plus the above negatives and the 3 marriages from what I've read.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)but as I tried to point out in the OP, his announced candidacy will force debates between any and all Democratic primary candidates, as well as press coverage of policy differences between and among them. With 2 or more candidates you have a horse race, not a triumphal procession.
The consensus I've seen in all coverage of the Hillary email reports is that the timing of it forced her to delay any formal announcement of her candidacy. This in turn extends the window of opportunity for and encourages other potential primary candidates to enter the race before she does.
Add that to the reports that Obama/Jarrett were the source of the carefully timed email leak and that they have informed HRC she will not have their support (Thanks, Obama!)and we have yet more encouragement to other Dems to enter the race, and encouragement to rank and file Democrats to delay settling for Hillary as a self-proclaimed inevitable winner of the Dem. primary.
Again, Webb has some significant negatives, just not as many as HRC. IOW, I wouldn't have to hold my nose nearly as tightly to vote for him in a general election, rather than HRC. If we have to have a hawk in the WH, I'd rather one who has personally experienced the hell of war.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)Webb, Clinton and Warren are all in their late 60's. Ages being simillar, the key factor in predicting whether they will maintain the necessary level of mental and physical abilities to fulfill 2 terms in one of the world's most stressful jobs is their health going into office.
Anyone have any reports on health problems for any of these 3 other than HRC?