Bernie Sanders is right to be outraged

[PosterChild]

As Sanders is learning, you can’t have a populist revolution without people.

Bernie Sanders is right to be outraged

[libdem4life]

1. Article nails it. If outrage does not lead to action, organizing, foot soldiers, et al

it is almost counter productive. And only Bernie can get by with this because he's NOT affiliated officially with one of the Two Parties, and he's seen as old and doddering. He's a Socialist...admittedly...and Democrats can't get that far left any more.

I'd prefer to be called a Social Democrat...that's what they call them in Europe. Doesn't have the baggage that goes with Liberal and now Progressive...which was coined to superimpose, yet distance from the old Liberal Left. IMO

[djean111]

2. As long as most people believe the corporate pap and bullshit they are fed, honest

people like Bernie will have a problem effecting change. Big money bought our government a while back. Just think, the Hillary fans' biggest point is fuck you, she has all the money. And if she gets elected, at least four more years of drivel about how she could not do anything for actual people because she is a woman, or some shit like that.

No wonder Sanders is so agitated. “You have to take on the Koch brothers and you have to take on Wall Street and you have to take on the billionaires,” he says, gesticulating madly and fuming about the “oligarchy” running government. “Not to get you too nervous,” he says, but “I think you need a political revolution.”

Hillary will embrace the billionaires and Wall Street. If she is the nominee, I am done giving a crap about politics.
As I said elsewhere, we are all just living in Whoville, most of our government has no interest in even hearing our tiny little bleating. Citizens United is here to stay, we will just be asked (already happening) to match the Kochs.

[PosterChild]

8. Hillary is a ...

... competent, experienced politician who would make a great president and would be willing and able to move forward a progressive policy.

And yes, people like Bernie will have a problem effecting change. Not the least of which would be getting elected in the first place.

[djean111]

10. Well, you believe this, and I most certainly do not -

would be willing and able to move forward a progressive policy.

And yes, people like Bernie will have a problem effecting change.

Because people like Hillary are about the corporate status quo, and that is, of course, easier and the skids are already greased. She is certainly NOT about effecting change, in my opinion, and looks like your opinion, too.

TPP wraps up Hillary for me. I don't care what her handlers tell her to warble about in order to act liberal or Progressive.
Deeds, not words, and she has already said, if we count words, that we are so naughty to be mad at bankers.
Women's and children's rights = that is great - but we should not be told we had to CHOOSE between those things and economic warfare of things like the TTP and TTIP. When did those things become either/or? That's bullshit.
Like if a policeman buys an old lady some groceries, then it is okay if he or another policeman shoot kids and unarmed citizens. Nope. Not buying that one.

[PosterChild]

12. I don't think Hillary is about ...

... the corporate "status quo", but that doesn't mean that she is an outrage monger who wants to burn down the house.

Corporations are necessary, productive, and positive contributors to our economic well-being. Hillary, and the American public, are right to have some regard and respect for our corporate system.

[djean111]

13. Regulated corporations. Not the current rapacious corporations that have engineered the TPP

and TTIP to give the Investor State precedence over sovereign states.

Do you think that is okay - corporations able to sue sovereign countries in a corporate court to overturn any laws and regulations that hamper profits? Do you think that, for instance, the pharmaceutical corporations are right to raise the drug prices so high that most find them unaffordable, and have written the TPP so that they can just add another use for a drug near the end of a patent span, and keep extending the patent? That contributes the the corporate well-being, not the people. Our corporations are now set to value, exclusively, profits over people, and they will not stop until the people have no more money left to buy their wares.

[PosterChild]

16. Ultimately, soverign nations have one way...

...to settle their differences, and that is war. If we are going to enter into meaningful treaties with other nations, we need to have some mechanism that we can agree to that falls short of war. That is why international courts exist that nations can bring their differences to and have them adjudicated. It makes perfect sense to set up such a court in the case of a trade agreement.

As a soverign nation we always have the option to pull out of the treaty - or to go to war over it. I think the setting up a court to adjudicate disputes would be the better appoach.

[N_E_1 for Tennis]

14. I will say we use the wrong words....

Yes corporations are necessary in the structure we are in today.
But when most of us here bemoan corporations we are meaning...
Unrestricted, unregulated, out of control capitalism. Now it's not any stretch of the mind
to see that corporations are the prime movers of that form of capitalism. Not all mind you, but most and the biggest ones seem to be the worst.

Corporations need to take, excuse me while I choke a little, responsibility. I don't see that happening on any large scale anytime soon.

We as a people have bought into the idea that capitalism is the best way, the only way. So we stand aside while our government is bought just like some product even though it is detrimental to our wellbeing. This is what must stop. This is what must change. This is what we must fight.

[PosterChild]

17. I would say...

... that we should start using the right words. If we want others to understand what we are saying.

[kacekwl]

19. Do not need

to burn down the corporate house but certainly need to get rid of the oily rags and open gas cans laying around that is causing so many of us to burn.

[Fearless]

15. Um no.

[TheNutcracker]

3. As usual, Bernie Sanders is S P O T on! Run Bernie...please.

The sheeple will only catch on after the movement begins. So please start......

[ladjf]

7. I doubt that there are enough sensible voters to elect him but let's try. nt

[PosterChild]

9. A great way to effect change and motivate people ....

.... is to charcterize them as "sheeple". That will win them over every time.

[kacekwl]

20. Weather or not Bernie

Sanders runs, the message needs to be seen by as many as possable.Please donate to him if you can.

[jwirr]

4. Read the whole article. The corporations and banksters are winning and they are winning because

we for the most part are letting them. I love Bernie Sanders. When we are looking back on Hitler as a good guy we need to remember that we were warned.

[TheNutcracker]

5. Kick for Sunday greatness!

[merrily]

6. He's not a socialist. He's a Democratic Socialist.

On the author of this article:

Milbank has stated that his "policy" on presidential general elections is to vote for the best candidate who is not on the ballot. He voted for John McCain in 2000, Chuck Hagel in 2004, and Michael Bloomberg in 2008. He has explained that his approach allows him to "go through the exercise of who would be a good president" while avoiding committing to one candidate or another in the race.[19]

From the OP article:

“The anger is there,” Sanders says, but “it’s an anger that turns into saying, ‘Go to hell, I’m not going to participate in your charade. I’m not voting.’ So it’s a weird kind of anger. It’s not people getting out in the streets .?.?. We’re at the stage of demoralization.”

[appalachiablue]

11. People are demoralized as he says, lack unity and historical perspective. Reasons being many-

decline of unions and their organizational structure, consolidation of corporate media that propagates RW conservatism and obstructs truth and democratic values, degradation of public education, third way triangulation of the Democratic Party for 25 years, inattention by the public from media entertainment/spectacle time.
Like Bernie I wonder what it will take for people to realize what's happening.
Just look at Republicans, their potential 2016 candidates and media personalities- Rick Perry, Chris Christie, Romney, Bobby Jindal, Mitch McConnell, Jim Inhoff, Jeb Bush et al. What does it say about Democrats, the Party and Americans?

[SamKnause]

18. I agree with Senator Bernie Sanders.

It is President Obama's fault.

Think back to 2008.

Remember how you felt watching Obama being sworn in as President Obama ?

Remember the mandate he had ?

Remember the bully pulpit he squandered ?

Remember we had all 3 branches of government for a very very short amount of time?

Remember how social media was used to get the young to vote for Hope and Change?

They feel let down.

I feel let down.

I cried as I watched Obama being sworn in as President of the United States of America.

Remember when he stated his administration would be the most transparent ?

Remember when he started to fill the White House with lobbyists, bankers, and Bush holdovers ?

Remember when he said he didn't think the bankers did anything illegal ?

Remember when he referred to them as the Best and Brightest ?

Remember when he asked for their help to repair the very damage they caused ?

Remember when he and Rahm Emanuel belittled the very people who voted for Hope and Change ?

Remember when he belittled his online supporters for asking about our insane marijuana policies ?

Remember when he kept pushing and pushing for bipartisanship ?

Remember when he said, "We need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards" ?

Remember he didn't even address police abuse and brutality until Ferguson ?

Remember how he couldn't find his walking shoes when the people in Wisconsin needed his

help and support ?

Remember when he compared Occupy Wall Street to the Tea Party ?

Remember when he offered up CPI for Social Security ?

(Fast forward)

Remember when President Obama manned the phones with his BFF Jamie Dimon to push through the

Cromnibus Bill ?

Remember when he stated that our drone strikes are precise and innocent people are not being killed ?

Remember how he has gone after journalists, leakers, and whistle blowers with a vengeance ?

Remember how the Free Trade Deal with South Korea has costs the U.S. 70,000 jobs ?

Remember how the president is pushing for fast tracking the TPP ?


Now imagine if this was the first time you we involved in an election.

Now imagine if this was the first time you were old enough to vote.

I think the people have the right to be disappointed and disillusioned.

I think he has damaged the Democratic, Liberal, and Progressive parties.

Why would any young person be interested in what the next candidate has to say ?

The people are tired of the lies and deceit.

If you are easily intimidated or afraid to tell the truth, you should not run for President of the United States.

If you or your family have been threatened after you have been elected you have 3 choices;

1. Tell the American people.

2. Resign

3. Keep quiet and do the bidding of the shadow government.

I think we know which choice President Obama made.

Let the flaming begin.

[kacekwl]

21. I cried also.

kind of sad reading your list. Good points though.

[davidpdx]

22. Obama isn't perfect, neither was Clinton, nor was Carter

I'd be interested to see references for the claims you are making.

[TheKentuckian]

23. Observing lack of perfection is a meaningless cop-out. It accurately describes exactly everyone.

May as well cite that politicians have skin or that they breath regularly.

[davidpdx]

24. It's not a copout it's a reality

I also fully acknowledged that he has made mistakes. The biggest one was underestimating what the Republicans would try to do (I believe that was on the list once or twice).

[TheKentuckian]

25. A description that includes every soul from greatest to worst is pointless.

"X" is not perfect = no shit

[davidpdx]

27. My point was the person I responded to wasn't willing to back up a single assertion

Then again that's DU.

[merrily]

26. In reality, you can't have any kind of revolution without financial backing.

It is not that people who agree with Bernie do not exist or that Bernie could not get even more people to agree with him, if he had the reach, access and backing the DNC has.