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Trickle Down economics is a Hoax is up to 1300 likes! are you one? (Original Post) roseBudd Jan 2015 OP
I liked it. bravenak Jan 2015 #1
I'm not on Farcebook Warpy Jan 2015 #2
We fail at messaging.Tax and spend democrats works because it is short. roseBudd Jan 2015 #4
One more like livetohike Jan 2015 #3
I am now! Lifelong Protester Jan 2015 #5
Liked! arcane1 Jan 2015 #6
Of course it's a hoax, but it's a hoax... TreasonousBastard Jan 2015 #7
no, it is fallacious thinking roseBudd Jan 2015 #11
One thing that Poppy Bush was right about, he called it voodoo economics n/t MiniMe Jan 2015 #8
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #9
fair tax is even worse roseBudd Jan 2015 #10
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Math. roseBudd Jan 2015 #13
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You do realize we don't tax the poor, yet that pisses you off. roseBudd Jan 2015 #18
They pay more lancer78 Jan 2015 #19
Econ Proph Jim Luke on so called Fair AKA flat taxes roseBudd Jan 2015 #14
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2015 #16
No, expertise, and you are? roseBudd Jan 2015 #17
I also own the domain www.trickleDownEconomicsIsaHoax.com roseBudd Jan 2015 #20
Let's get "TDE is a Hoax" to the Greatest Page. K&R n/t Beartracks Jan 2015 #21
Thanks! To put it in perspective this page reaches 6,000 - 18,000 a week... roseBudd Jan 2015 #22
DU rocks! 1400 likes! roseBudd Jan 2015 #23
I am now, thanks for link n/t Motown_Johnny Jan 2015 #24

Warpy

(111,267 posts)
2. I'm not on Farcebook
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 06:33 PM
Jan 2015

but that page looks like it has a nice assortment of articles exposing the hoax.

We on the left knew it was a hoax in 1980 but nobody listened to us, they preferred that slick corporate pitchman fronting for the extremely rich.

Even when one of his own economists came out in The Atlantic Monthly with an article exposing the hoax in the 80s, no one would listen.

They had to start hurting before they'd listen to anything.

roseBudd

(8,718 posts)
4. We fail at messaging.Tax and spend democrats works because it is short.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 06:42 PM
Jan 2015

Calling TDE a hoax co-opts the GOP's terminology

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
7. Of course it's a hoax, but it's a hoax...
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 07:29 PM
Jan 2015

people want to believe in.

It gives you hope that not only might you share the wealth of the rich, you might become one of them yourself and share your new wealth with others.

Kinda like buying a lottery ticket-- even though the odds are you'll die of beri-beri long before winning, the thought of winning is comforting somehow. Nobody has dreams of staying where they are.

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roseBudd

(8,718 posts)
13. Math.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:13 PM
Jan 2015

We have a slightly progressive system.

Who pays less is the wealthy, who pays more are those making between 40-150.000K.

Never seen anyone other than a Republican sheeple pine for the so called"fair" tax. The misnomer alone should be a giveaway.

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roseBudd

(8,718 posts)
18. You do realize we don't tax the poor, yet that pisses you off.
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 10:05 PM
Jan 2015

Fair tax is a sales tax. On everything.


The middle class gets hosed.

 

lancer78

(1,495 posts)
19. They pay more
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 02:47 AM
Jan 2015

because a dollar is more valuable to a person making $40K a year then someone making a million a year.

roseBudd

(8,718 posts)
14. Econ Proph Jim Luke on so called Fair AKA flat taxes
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:19 PM
Jan 2015
Flat tax advocates don’t make this “tax increase on the poor/middle class with tax cut for rich” aspect clear. They try to hide it and obfuscate it. They use terms like “flat” and “fair”. They are really trying to tap into our collective memories of childhood when the idea of everybody getting the same percentage of the birthday cake seemed like an obvious “fair” solution. They don’t want us to pay attention to the actual numbers.

But even a “flat” tax rate isn’t really fair. There’s a phenomenon that’s described in economics as the “diminishing marginal utility of money”. In plainer English, it simply means that the richer you are, the more income you have, the less valuable any particular increase in income is to you. The reverse is also true, when you’re poor and don’t have much money, the value or utility of money is very, very high. An obvious example is to consider two extremes and look at the value or utility of having an additional dollar bill. To an unemployed person with no assets and no money, a dollar bill is very, very valuable. It may well represent eating vs. not-eating today. Life is dependent upon it. Now contrast that to a hedge-fund manager who has a tens of millions of dollars in income each year and even more cash in the bank. A single additional dollar doesn’t mean much. If a strong wind blows the dollar out of the hand of the unemployed, they will no doubt chase it. If it blows it out of the hand the hedge-fund manager, they’re much less likely to chase it.


more

[link:http://econproph.com/2011/10/23/the-fraudulent-flat-tax-pitch-a-rich-and-powerful-tactic/|

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roseBudd

(8,718 posts)
17. No, expertise, and you are?
Sat Jan 10, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jan 2015

Really not interested in someone who thinks the rentier class is special.

roseBudd

(8,718 posts)
20. I also own the domain www.trickleDownEconomicsIsaHoax.com
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jan 2015

And I wrote new lyrics to Lou Reed's Wild Side.Looking for people with musics kills to pull it off for YouTube

roseBudd

(8,718 posts)
22. Thanks! To put it in perspective this page reaches 6,000 - 18,000 a week...
Sun Jan 11, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jan 2015

Social media is not a closed system. Most people have Facebook friends of diverse ideoology

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