2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSenate just passed the spending bill 78-18
OOPs may have been a mistake -- according to C-span final vote is happening now.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)You caught the cloture vote where 60 votes needed - got 78!
1.1 trillion dollar spending bill passed! Doesn't sound like a Republican victory to me!
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)not that they're guaranteed taxpayer funded bailouts.
Socialized risk is a very Republican as well as a Third Way value.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)What could have been a disastrous capitulation turned into democratic negotiation and compromise. Republicans are very unhappy, and that is a good thing.
After all the recent donkey kickings, it's good to finally get some back! We need some wins, and we just got one!
Don't you want to enjoy it, just for a little while?
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)not to be corrupt any more.
Dodd-Frank, as weak as it was, is pretty much gone and they've made it even easier for the rich to buy Congress.
This was a disastrous capitulation. What's to enjoy?
You may want to read this thread about Maxine Waters reaction to the bill before you celebrate too much
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025950982
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Maxine Waters: POTUS & JP Morgan whipped House Democrats on CROmnibus yesterday
In a sign of the importance of the issue to Wall Street banks, JPMorgan Chief Executive Jamie Dimon telephoned lawmakers on Thursday urging them to support passage of the spending bill, according to a person familiar with the calls.
I think after the president and Jamie Dimon started calling, some people gave in, Rep. Maxine Waters of California, the top Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee who voted against the bill, said after the vote.
Robbins
(5,066 posts)Dodd-frank was weak already it's basicly gone now.
In house pelosi and many dems voted against it.here only bernie sanders and 5 dems were willing to stand against banks and vote against cloture
Obama has proven like much of democratic party to have sold out to wall street and corporations.Only Elizabeth Warren and a select few dems aren't owned by wall street.
Hillary is waiting in the wings to be even more corporate friendly than Obama.
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)Very happy to see that both my senators, Franken and Klobuchar, voted Nay (though Klobuchar surprises me). As did Sanders and, of course, Warren.
Not sure why anyone would think this was some kind of victory for the Democrats (other than the third way ones).
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I was watching.
Looks good when you got cover.
Franken is among the true liberals ins enate.he voted against cloture as well.
I am shocked my senator McCaskill stood up to banks tonight.In aftermath of ferguson i haven't been too happy with MO dems i guess McCaskill isn't total useless unlike others.
And Manchin from WV stood up more to banks than some so called Liberals.
Some dems who were against final bill gave in to pressure and allowed vote.Still dems who voted against final bill aren't completly useless.Also take notice dems who lost this year are voting yes proving again too many dems are in pocket of wall street.
Elizabeth Warren and Bernie sanders are true leaders of real liberals.They aren't owned by wall street.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Our Democrats whittled back horrible riders and added in more funding in exchange for some concessions. Politics is the art of compromise. We are getting closer and closer to regular order in Congress where things are worked out by professional politicians.
We have major infrastructure, job creation, funding increases (except IRS), a Republican Congress which now agrees austerity has had it's day.
It is not as bad as it was, and that is absolutely a good thing. And it could have been so much worse!
dflprincess
(28,082 posts)"Not as bad as it was and that is absolutely a good thing"? That's the new standard for saying we won something?
It completely sells us out to Wall Street and allows even more corruption in campaign finance there is no upside to either of those outcomes.
When Wall Street implodes and your 401K is wiped out, tell me how this is a good thing that the banksters get bailed out with our tax money and we're left hanging.
Does it bother you at all that most members of the U.S. Congress, as well as the president, don't even bother to pretend they represent the people who voted for them?
former9thward
(32,082 posts)They had to or the bill would not have been able to become law. The House and Senate must pass identical bills in order to send something to the President. The House passed theirs and then went home. The Senate then passed the House version.
KT2000
(20,588 posts)Maria Cantwell-D was Nay.
Have been impressed with Cantwell lately!
world wide wally
(21,755 posts)dmosh42
(2,217 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)both parties sold out to wall street.This was suspose to be bill to fund government so why all giveaways to wall street.As well as to those on pension.
The republicans who voted to keep debate and against final bill were move making stand against obama or his executive action on
Immigration.
Wall street doesn't own Bernie sanders,Elizabeth warren,and 4 other dems.