2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIf the Senate Democrats vote to pass Keystone the Republicans win.
If Obama doesn't veto it. (I think he will if it reaches his desk.) They win by getting both Keystone and defeating Landrieu.
If Obama does veto it. The Republicans still win by defeating Landrieu. She is delusional to think she can beat Cassidy when the 14 percent that didn't vote for her or Cassidy is going to for her when they voted for a Teabagger. If the voters didn't think she had the power nearly 2 weeks ago why would they change their mind now?
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The Democrats should kill it in the Senate. Then when the new congress is sworn in, Obama can veto it.
quadrature
(2,049 posts)Cassidy's bill (XL), passed by the House,
will not be popular in the Senate.
expect the usual endless bickering
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)This matter is in the hands of the State Department, no one else.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)that toxic goo going through your backyard.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)a Canadian tar sands oil pipeline leaked something horrible for days and polluted the Kalamazoo River not too far away to where it drains into Lake Michigan. Four years later they are still trying to clean it up. At least with a train if something bad happens, it will be a smaller spill and easily contained.
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)There is no intrinsically safe way to transport much of anything. But this oil is going to get to market and there is no better way to do it.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)The potential points of failure and disruption are innumerable.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)if you want to keep pushing oil company propaganda, there is nothing more to say here. If you Canadians want to pipeline it across Canada, go for it, but keep it up there!
Sen. Walter Sobchak
(8,692 posts)Between Canada and the US. Just look at the DOT-111 taker car fiasco. Spills happen.
And for the record, I'm an American from Southern California. Although I'm perplexed by the fury over Keystone XL when similar pipelines moving the exact same product were a source of remarkably little concern.
If you don't want Canadian crude, we're either going to have to kill that peasant whackjob in Venezuela, drill off-shore in California or build new refineries more adept to the lighter product the US is producing.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)It accepts applications for say pipelines crossing international borders, takes comments, and makes a recommendation to approve or disapprove the application. If the President agrees with a recommendation to approve, a Presidential Permit is issued. If the President disagrees with a recommendation to approve, the Presidential Permit will not be issued and the application will be denied.
The State Department received the authority to process these applications by virtue of an Executive Order.
The Legislature alone cannot usurp an Executive Branch function and vice versa.
Sam