2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhen a right winger posts some talking points on a social media sight, or in a group setting,
don't try to defend against them.
1. First insult them. "How can you be so stupid as to believe that shit?"
2. Then put them on the defensive. "How many jobs bills has the tea party congress proposed?"
3. Then post a left wing talking point, "We have more active oil wells in this country today than at any time in our history."
Sarah Ibarruri
(21,043 posts)Right wing bs is simply that, right wing bs, and should be treated as such.
louis-t
(23,295 posts)mac56
(17,569 posts)Crow73
(257 posts)They are stupid and gullible.
[link:http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AqFU.cZk3TX9RsY.1hSyfEwKT31G;_ylv=3?qid=20120517110243AAU2Qx3|Why would Obama have the AUDACITY to add foot notes to the Presidents biographies?
on the white houses web site.]
Some are funny stupid others are just ugly.
wandy
(3,539 posts)Don't waist you're time.
Amster Dan
(89 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)blm
(113,065 posts)feeding them the bulk of their information over the last 30years. Two global fascists turning a whole group of voters into anti-American radicals who hate their nation's government. That makes them not only moonies but traitors.
MissMarple
(9,656 posts)Our reasons are not home truths to them. Lakof and Haidt are right, we have to learn how to talk to the elephants. GOP politicians and strategists do it quite well. Us, not so much.
bongbong
(5,436 posts)That the 2nd biggest shareholder in Fox "news" is a Saudi sheik, and that Fox "news" won a court case affirming their right to broadcast known lies and call them "news".
castnet55
(62 posts)and what about it when they cite liberal sites for the references for the news or arguements? Facts are facts and we should talk openly with them and instead of insulting people (automatic turn off for most) show them more facts to refute what they are saying.
If you are confident and correct in what we say then we don't need to go down to their level.
Iceberg Louie
(190 posts)or whether or not they hold muster. Their formula for molding public opinion, forged by the gutter-level tactics of Gingrich, Atwater, and Rove, is simple: 1.) conjure up an inflammatory self-serving talking point, no matter how absurd (i.e. "Obama is a Muslim socialist who wants to take away your guns" , 2.) repeat, repeat, repeat, 3.) repeat, repeat, repeat, 4.) continue to repeat until the ridiculous assertion takes root among enough useful idiots, 5.) when a rational person tries to counter the claim with facts, call them anti-American and repeat some more. No matter how much hard data and factual backing the rational person has, the useful idiots are now parroting the ridiculous claim, spreading the message like a chain letter.
I believe Stephen Colbert referred to this as "truthiness".
Logically, the only hope to counter these propaganda talking points would be to repeat the factual points ad nauseum in the media. However, two problems lie here; first, factual, logical reality does not own a media empire ready to tow it's party lines like trained seals; second, unlike right-wing propagandists who have made an art form of whittling down their message into black-and-white five-words-or-less jingoism, factuality tends to run more long-winded, given that most aspects of politics and sociology are nuanced and multi-faceted. In other words, you've already lost them at "If you look at the actual numbers here..."