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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
Thu May 17, 2012, 02:57 PM May 2012

When a right winger posts some talking points on a social media sight, or in a group setting,

don't try to defend against them.

1. First insult them. "How can you be so stupid as to believe that shit?"

2. Then put them on the defensive. "How many jobs bills has the tea party congress proposed?"

3. Then post a left wing talking point, "We have more active oil wells in this country today than at any time in our history."

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When a right winger posts some talking points on a social media sight, or in a group setting, (Original Post) upaloopa May 2012 OP
Excellent point. There's no purpose in attempting to make sense out of right wing bs Sarah Ibarruri May 2012 #1
I usually just unsubscribe. louis-t May 2012 #2
+1. I'm done with this "suffer-fools-gladly" BS. mac56 May 2012 #3
Yahoo Answers Crow73 May 2012 #4
Trying to reason with a teabager is like trying to talk sense to a rock... wandy May 2012 #5
Don't insult rocks like that!!! Amster Dan May 2012 #12
That appears to be the only way to deal with them. Dawson Leery May 2012 #6
Ridicule the media sources they trust. A Korean cult leader and an Australian extortionist have been blm May 2012 #7
Reason will never get past their emotional ties to what they believe. MissMarple May 2012 #8
Remind them bongbong May 2012 #9
Right wingers castnet55 May 2012 #10
Right wingers don't give a plug nickel about facts Iceberg Louie May 2012 #11

Sarah Ibarruri

(21,043 posts)
1. Excellent point. There's no purpose in attempting to make sense out of right wing bs
Thu May 17, 2012, 02:58 PM
May 2012

Right wing bs is simply that, right wing bs, and should be treated as such.

 

Crow73

(257 posts)
4. Yahoo Answers
Thu May 17, 2012, 03:13 PM
May 2012

They are stupid and gullible.

[link:http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=AqFU.cZk3TX9RsY.1hSyfEwKT31G;_ylv=3?qid=20120517110243AAU2Qx3|Why would Obama have the AUDACITY to add foot notes to the Presidents biographies?
on the white houses web site.]

Some are funny stupid others are just ugly.

blm

(113,065 posts)
7. Ridicule the media sources they trust. A Korean cult leader and an Australian extortionist have been
Thu May 17, 2012, 04:28 PM
May 2012

feeding them the bulk of their information over the last 30years. Two global fascists turning a whole group of voters into anti-American radicals who hate their nation's government. That makes them not only moonies but traitors.

MissMarple

(9,656 posts)
8. Reason will never get past their emotional ties to what they believe.
Thu May 17, 2012, 05:32 PM
May 2012

Our reasons are not home truths to them. Lakof and Haidt are right, we have to learn how to talk to the elephants. GOP politicians and strategists do it quite well. Us, not so much.

 

bongbong

(5,436 posts)
9. Remind them
Thu May 17, 2012, 07:45 PM
May 2012

That the 2nd biggest shareholder in Fox "news" is a Saudi sheik, and that Fox "news" won a court case affirming their right to broadcast known lies and call them "news".

 

castnet55

(62 posts)
10. Right wingers
Thu May 17, 2012, 11:38 PM
May 2012

and what about it when they cite liberal sites for the references for the news or arguements? Facts are facts and we should talk openly with them and instead of insulting people (automatic turn off for most) show them more facts to refute what they are saying.
If you are confident and correct in what we say then we don't need to go down to their level.

Iceberg Louie

(190 posts)
11. Right wingers don't give a plug nickel about facts
Fri May 18, 2012, 12:15 AM
May 2012

or whether or not they hold muster. Their formula for molding public opinion, forged by the gutter-level tactics of Gingrich, Atwater, and Rove, is simple: 1.) conjure up an inflammatory self-serving talking point, no matter how absurd (i.e. "Obama is a Muslim socialist who wants to take away your guns&quot , 2.) repeat, repeat, repeat, 3.) repeat, repeat, repeat, 4.) continue to repeat until the ridiculous assertion takes root among enough useful idiots, 5.) when a rational person tries to counter the claim with facts, call them anti-American and repeat some more. No matter how much hard data and factual backing the rational person has, the useful idiots are now parroting the ridiculous claim, spreading the message like a chain letter.

I believe Stephen Colbert referred to this as "truthiness".

Logically, the only hope to counter these propaganda talking points would be to repeat the factual points ad nauseum in the media. However, two problems lie here; first, factual, logical reality does not own a media empire ready to tow it's party lines like trained seals; second, unlike right-wing propagandists who have made an art form of whittling down their message into black-and-white five-words-or-less jingoism, factuality tends to run more long-winded, given that most aspects of politics and sociology are nuanced and multi-faceted. In other words, you've already lost them at "If you look at the actual numbers here..."

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