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Virginia Republicans Push Bill to Permit Bazookas, Hand Grenades, Anti-Tank Weapons, etc. (Original Post) lowkell Jan 2014 OP
Guess they're gearing Faux pas Jan 2014 #1
Gittin' ready to fight the gubmint. polichick Jan 2014 #3
They are a serious Faux pas Jan 2014 #7
And just like pimples, they're likely to explode. :) polichick Jan 2014 #8
tick tick tick... Faux pas Jan 2014 #10
Christ on a landmine. Really? riqster Jan 2014 #2
MOAB's Turbineguy Jan 2014 #4
This Is 'Original Intent' Of The Second Amendment, Sir The Magistrate Jan 2014 #5
For real? Frustratedlady Jan 2014 #9
private armies and mercenaries were quite common back then geek tragedy Jan 2014 #11
Flat Fact, Ma'am The Magistrate Jan 2014 #16
Well, they're "arms" Proud Liberal Dem Jan 2014 #6
Not just Virginia... Wisconsin Republicans are literally pushing for the new laws... TRoN33 Jan 2014 #12
The government should be forced to sell all their high tech weaponry to citizens. Kablooie Jan 2014 #13
What, no nuclear bombs?? ailsagirl Jan 2014 #14
No, just Davey Crockets. sakabatou Jan 2014 #18
GOP is out of its mind. Unfortunately, DC DEMS still have bipartisan fetish. blkmusclmachine Jan 2014 #15
I imagine they'll be trying to pass a lot of foolish laws Mr.Bill Jan 2014 #17
Why not? If you can justify some of the weapons legal now, you can justify RPGs alcibiades_mystery Jan 2014 #19

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
5. This Is 'Original Intent' Of The Second Amendment, Sir
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 01:58 PM
Jan 2014

There was at the time no appreciable difference between the arms possessed by regulars and those possessed by private persons; even artillery was available to any citizen who could afford a cannon.

Private possession of everything from battle-tanks to fighter jets is well within the original logic of the framers of the 2nd amendment....

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
9. For real?
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 02:33 PM
Jan 2014
Private possession of everything from battle-tanks to fighter jets is well within the original logic of the framers of the 2nd amendment....

Man, our framers of the 2nd amendment were SMART! They knew about fighter jets and all those battle tanks and everything way back then?

Truly amazing.

Are we talking about regular citizens calling for these laws, or are these extreme groups pushing this kind of legislation? Do they also have Stand Your Ground laws? It might be worth the move to watch some of these hot heads battle it out with their grenades and all that thar ammunition they've been hoarding for just such a day.

Popcorn supply! Check!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
11. private armies and mercenaries were quite common back then
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:23 PM
Jan 2014

the notion that the state should have a monopoly on organized violence was a controversial one back then.

The Magistrate

(95,247 posts)
16. Flat Fact, Ma'am
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:44 PM
Jan 2014

The line you are trying is the equivalent of someone saying 'all they knew were muskets and such, they couldn't possibly have meant the kind of weapons we have now', and it is just as fallacious.

What was envisioned was that the weapons in the hands of the populace would be equivalent to those in the hands of a standing army. If the standing army has muskets, the people have muskets. If the standing army has machine-guns, then the principle would hold that the people, too, should possess them, and possess any other weapon employed by regular armed forces.

Whether this is wise policy of not is a separate question....

 

TRoN33

(769 posts)
12. Not just Virginia... Wisconsin Republicans are literally pushing for the new laws...
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 03:58 PM
Jan 2014

Claiming that 2nd amendments permit regular folk to own the fighter jets, tanks, and attack helicopter.

What next? Amend the laws to allow idiots like Ted Nugent to own the nuke?

Mr.Bill

(24,292 posts)
17. I imagine they'll be trying to pass a lot of foolish laws
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 06:46 PM
Jan 2014

in the coming years now that there's a governor who will veto them.

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
19. Why not? If you can justify some of the weapons legal now, you can justify RPGs
Wed Jan 22, 2014, 07:21 PM
Jan 2014

I understand their logic completely, and they're right. There is no difference in kind of degree between what Lanza's mother could own without a problem and an RPG. None.

That the whole gunner shithead mentality is also insane and stupid beyond comprehension doesn't change the fact that they are being consistent here. This is gunner paradise: every asshole walking around with anti-tank weapons.

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