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LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 01:25 PM Jan 2014

The last thing I would do is count Chris Christie out for 2016 - it would be foolish to do so

One thing I've learned from 3 decades of following politics is this - voters have the attention span of gnats with ADHD. Anyone jumping for joy that this scandal regarding the GWB lane closures is a fool to count Christie out for 2016.

If this was 2015 I would say yes put a fork in him he's done. But The guy has 2 years to rehab his reputation and Christie could do alot to make him look like a superstar in that time frame.

Consider this - after 9/11, Rudy Giuliani looked like a shoo-in for any future political aspirations. If the presidential election was held in 2002 and Guiliani was one of the candidates I wouldn't be shocked to see the guy win. But he didn't run for President until 2008 and by then he ran an embarassing campaign skipping Iowa and New Hamshire to focus on Florida where he still came way behind the winner of the state.

Mind you that presidental run was 6 years after 9/11, so Giuliani had more time to tank his reputation. But Christie can do alot in 2 years to help repair his reputation and put him back on the presidential fast track that many claimed he was already heading.

So for those of you gleeful of the demise of the Christie 2016 campaign - don't break out the Champagne too quickly. 2016 is still a ways away and alot could change between now and then.

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The last thing I would do is count Chris Christie out for 2016 - it would be foolish to do so (Original Post) LynneSin Jan 2014 OP
The Feds are going to open up an investigation about this that will probably... Walk away Jan 2014 #1
I am hoping that will be true LynneSin Jan 2014 #3
If the investigation doesn't come out with anything big... goldent Jan 2014 #14
I agree.. hauckeye Jan 2014 #2
Happy Fitzmas!!! The_Commonist Jan 2014 #4
I had to google to remember the whole Fitzmas thing LynneSin Jan 2014 #8
Yeah, Fitzmas was Silly Season here on DU. The_Commonist Jan 2014 #9
He's DONE!!!!! bigdarryl Jan 2014 #5
Sadly you are almost certainly correct. He isn't done by a long shot and anyone Rowdyboy Jan 2014 #6
the longer we keep christie around the better beachbum bob Jan 2014 #7
Actually I hope he lingers and lingers until 2016. busterbrown Jan 2014 #10
If it comes down to state law there might have to be a special prosecutor. yellowcanine Jan 2014 #12
He is not out but he is wounded and the wound is seeping blood. yellowcanine Jan 2014 #11
Scroll up about the poster who said "Happy Fitzmas" LynneSin Jan 2014 #13

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
1. The Feds are going to open up an investigation about this that will probably...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 01:28 PM
Jan 2014

show this to be the tip of the iceberg. It will take at least a year if not two to wrap the entire thing up. If they can get anyone to talk he will be royally screwed for a long time.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
3. I am hoping that will be true
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 01:36 PM
Jan 2014

But it is feasible that things might not turn out how we expect or Christie will put out a 'I'm very remorseful about what happened' tour in NJ that turns around his reputation.

And you have to expect that the Right-wing outlets like Faux News and whatnot will spend the next two years painting this as a 'Witchhunt by the Left' which will garner support for Christie. Faux knows if they repeat the story enough times then other networks might pick up on it and start asking the same questions.

It should be interesting.

goldent

(1,582 posts)
14. If the investigation doesn't come out with anything big...
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 06:35 PM
Jan 2014

it could work in Christie's favor -- "hey they went over me with a fine toothed comb and came up with nothing!"

So I agree, we will have to wait to see.

hauckeye

(635 posts)
2. I agree..
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 01:34 PM
Jan 2014

I can't imagine that we'll still be talking about lane closures in 2016. Numerous other scandals will have come and gone by then.

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
4. Happy Fitzmas!!!
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 01:38 PM
Jan 2014

Yeah... it will carry the news cycle for another week, maybe. It will be back on occasion and carry a couple more news cycles. Then... POOF!!!

Doesn't mean Christie has a chance of getting the Republican nomination, he probably doesn't. But this won't make much difference in the long run.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
8. I had to google to remember the whole Fitzmas thing
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 02:55 PM
Jan 2014

Bush was still re-elected although to this day I still question the returns from Ohio

The_Commonist

(2,518 posts)
9. Yeah, Fitzmas was Silly Season here on DU.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 03:50 PM
Jan 2014

Never count a Republican out until the flowers are placed on the casket and it's being lowered into the ground. Democrats, on the other hand, are done at the first whiff of impropriety.

Rowdyboy

(22,057 posts)
6. Sadly you are almost certainly correct. He isn't done by a long shot and anyone
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 02:26 PM
Jan 2014

high-fiving over his destruction are just fooling themselves.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
7. the longer we keep christie around the better
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 02:48 PM
Jan 2014

why let people forget who this guy is and what he will resort too??

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
12. If it comes down to state law there might have to be a special prosecutor.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:11 PM
Jan 2014

Because clearly Christie's DA cannot investigate this. And special prosecutors can be very deliberative. There could be both state and federal Grand Juries. Grand juries are not known for speed. This could drag out a loooooong time. And the longer it goes the more leaks there will be, each generating a new round of news stories. There could be tell all books from people fired by Christie as a result of this scandal as well as other stuff prior to this. This is going to get very nasty. And if Christie is to run in 2016 he has to start collecting money soon. This will complicate all of that. Some donors are not going to commit to someone who may be damaged goods.

yellowcanine

(35,701 posts)
11. He is not out but he is wounded and the wound is seeping blood.
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:02 PM
Jan 2014

And it will not take much to rip the bandages off and open it up again.

If it were just one aide, he might be ok. But there are at least three who potentially face legal problems. And they all are going to be trying to cut deals. If they all start singing the same tune and his chief of staff gets implicated in any way I think it could lead directly to Christie.

LynneSin

(95,337 posts)
13. Scroll up about the poster who said "Happy Fitzmas"
Fri Jan 10, 2014, 05:15 PM
Jan 2014

Even with that scandal Bush was still re-elected.

We can only hope that this scandal will stick but we are foolish to say the guy is out.

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