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By Arturo Garcia
Monday, January 6, 2014 23:43 EST
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) engaged in some snow-trolling Monday night, dismissing the idea of climate change by suggesting it would be arrogant to think the most suitable temperature for life on Earth is already known.
Im an amateur paleontologist, Gingrich told Crossfire co-host Van Jones, before mentioning his own observations at exhibits in Chicago and Wisconsin and asking, What kind of hubris does it take to say, I know exactly what this planets temperature ought to be and Im gonna manage it to that effect?
Gingrich did not mention that as recently as 2011, astronomers found that a planet considered compatible with Earth would have a very nice temperature around 70 degrees Farenheit.
Jones responded by arguing that humanity should explore alternatives to the use of carbon-based fuels.
The problem is, if we put the foot on the accelerator with this experiment were doing were the only planet that we know and were wrong, and we end up cooking the planet, thats a bad outcome you cant recover from, Jones said.
The age of the dinosaurs was dramatically warmer than this is right now and it didnt cook the planet, Gingrich said in response. In fact, life was fine.
When Jones attempted to respond perhaps by pointing out that humanity, as it is currently defined, did not exist in that era Gingrich derailed the discussion.
The number of people leaving Minnesota this evening to get to the Caribbean versus the number of people leaving the Caribbean to try to get to Minnesota would argue that slightly warmer wouldnt be a crisis, Gingrich said.
When Jones attempted to bring up global scientific consensus on the issue, Heritage Foundation Research Fellow David Kreutzer chimed in.
This is a bait-and-switch, Kreutzer protested. Ninety-seven percent of some subset of scientists agree that man-made global warming is what weve seen over the past 50 or 100 years. Thats uncontroversial, maybe incontrovertible. The bait-and-switch is, you take that and say, Were heading to catastrophic global warming, all the major scientists say were gonna lose species. No, they dont.
Kreutzer did not mention that the subset consisted of around 29,000 scientists and nearly 12,000 academic papers, a fact that has largely gone unreported.
Watch the discussion, as aired on Monday, below.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/01/06/amateur-paleontologist-newt-gingrich-says-a-hotter-planet-may-be-just-fine/
tanyev
(42,601 posts)brewens
(13,618 posts)we'll grow oranges in Alaska. See what ol' Buotros Buotros Ghali Ghali thinks a that?" Then Hank says, "Dale, we live in Texas! If it get one degree WARMER, I'm gonna kick your ass!"
Union Scribe
(7,099 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)There is so much wrong with Gingrich's statements it's hard to even begin.
How about comparing the ecology of the age of dinosaurs to today?
How about comparing vacationing in the Caribbean to...well, nothing really. Except that Minnesota is cold and the Caribbean is warm. Today, that is. WTF is even the point of that?
AverageJoe90
(10,745 posts)Though it may be admitted that life may have been able to thrive under substantially hotter conditions before, and that humanity could survive even the hottest possible average increases.....he conveniently omits the fact that scientists have, for years, pointed out that much of our present life (mostly) evolved in eras were Earth was actually *colder* than it is today.....right now, we're almost as warm as a whole as the Northern Hemisphere was during the Medieval warm period. AGW has not yet been the primary factor for the numbers of extinctions that have happened over the past 100 years or so(AGW only started about 40 years ago and there were problems long before that, mainly thanks to deforestation, low-level pollution, etc.), but there's nothing that says that it couldn't, and in fact, plenty of research that suggests that it could, especially under more pessimistic Co2 increase scenarios.
And temperatures are likely to increase to about at least 2*C by the end of this century(and possibly somewhat more after that, and that's assuming that we never go beyond 550 ppm), even if some substantial collective action is taken to fight climate change. While it may not be as disastrous as if we'd gone beyond business-as-usual(4-5*C by 2100 and about 1,000+ ppm), things won't all be rosy for life on Earth. We're in no danger of becoming extinct, but other less adaptable life-forms are, and largely thanks to the speed of the change as well as the form of it.
sakabatou
(42,170 posts)Bad thing is, many in Congress don't know either.