Is Howard Dean supporting Hillary Clinton?

[fadedrose]

If so, I must end my contributions to the DFA asap.

I was under the impression that they used them to support progressives....the real democrats......

[msongs]

1. DFA is no longer run by Howard Dean. DFA supports nobody at this time. Howard speaks for himself nt

[fadedrose]

7. His brother runs it

I get mail from him occasionally, and Howard is still the heart of it though he doesn't run it.

[Little Star]

2. Dean says he supports a prospective Clinton bid when asked about his intentions....

The fiery Democrat is visiting key states on the presidential calendar and meeting with former supporters, all while reminding people that Hillary Rodham Clinton likely will face Democratic competition should she seek the presidency in 2016.

Dean says he supports a prospective Clinton bid when asked about his intentions. But he's not ruling out himself as a Clinton challenger either.

"You never say never in this business because you don't know," Dean told The Associated Press on Monday when asked about his presidential ambitions shortly before delivering a speech in Manchester. "I still have plenty of fire. What is it going to be directed at is the question."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/howard-dean-new-hampshire_n_3980854.html

[fadedrose]

5. Thank you, Little Star

That's good news....nice to see he's active. Wish he'd get his mojo (whatever that is) back and be the fiery young Howard Dean that the Hollywood stars ran out to Vermont to meet and see. He was so impressive. The first guy to come out and oppose the war.

[davidpdx]

12. I agree, but he's been incredibly quite the last nine years or so

It makes me wonder if he still has the fire in his belly to do it. He would be a great nominee and I would consider him in a primary.

[DFW]

30. Howard has been quiet for nine years? That's a new one on me.

I keep in touch with him on a regular basis. Between helping setting up Democratic Party clones in places like Italy and reinforcing the Liberal Democrats in England to the point where they got so many votes, they were needed to form a coalition government, helping out the march against human trafficking from Bangkok to the Burmese border, quietly consulting with the White House (totally off the radar) on the ACA, doing the talk shows. He has kept a slightly lower profile than he used to, but is not one bit less active. Without DFA's Purple to Blue action, who knows if Virginia would have gone for McAuliffe? Texas is their next project: Wendy for Governor!

I haven't specifically talked about our presidential candidate for 2016, and why should we? No one has yet declared their candidacy. As a former DNC chair, I doubt he'll get mixed up in that mess until the primaries are underway, and there some DECLARED candidates to choose from.

[davidpdx]

32. I mean in terms of in the public

While you may have contact or hear things from an insiders point of view that doesn't mean everyone has the same amount of information. That's what I was saying that he hasn't been as visible as he used to be.

I wouldn't expect anyone to declare until early 2015.

[blkmusclmachine]

3. Hillary Roddam Clinton is no Democrat. She may even be to the right of OBAMA

[Whisp]

4. She and her husband are far to the Right of Obama.

just for the record!

They got squat done when they could for the middle class. Both of them get very large dollars for their speaking tours to the likes of the monied class. It should be embarassing, but people let them get away with it. While they are schmoozing with Wall street and Sachs and the fat cats, Main street is suffering from Bill's deregulation of the finance industry and his cold hearted 'welfare reform', plus his terrorizing and maiming of Iraq for his entire terms in office.

I shake my head in disbelief that these two parasites are regarded close to or the same as Obama in their works and policies.

[fadedrose]

6. Obama made his first mistake when he appointed her SS

and she brought all her supporters over to State and even had them trampling back and forth to the WH. That's why Obama said of Joe, "he's got my back."

Who was on his back anyway?

Obama did that to bring unity to the party, but it sure didn't work. Her husband and supporters never accepted him, and I think that that so-called friendship is so fake. He had to watch the Tparty, the Republicans, the pesky progressives, and the sneaky 3rd way people who won't even tell you what Hillary's platform is and how she feels about any issue at all except gays, and Joe Biden beat her to it on that one. And if Obama doesn't play nice, they'll find a way to hurt him while he's still in office. I distrust them so much.

[Evergreen Emerald]

8. What a load of crap.

Conclusory with nothing to support you BS statements. I am tied of the dehumanization of Clinton. Now you have her bullying Obama? Dang. Your depth of ignorant disdain is deep.

[fadedrose]

13. Didn't mean to offend you, honest

But when you go to a thread that is obviously not favorable to your candidate, what did you expect to hear?

Yesterday there was a thread about a Dem backlash, and when progressives complained about 3rd way candidates, your fellow supporters told people that they had no choice, either it was HC or Republicans, and if they didn't like it, they should leave DU, (they call it D.U.)

No one has asked you to leave because you support her, and I hope no one ever does.

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. It is not about "my candidate"

It is about unsupported lies and distortions from constant attack posts. This one was especially offensive....suggesting the Obama needed help, not with the constant right-wing attacks, but rather the evil clinton. Oh brother.

[fadedrose]

17. He did need help

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He had to sneak Kerry over to talk to UN council while she was still in office because she is buddies with BIBI and he wants more sanctions instead of allowing the treaty made with 6 members of the United Nations Security Council and the new Iranian president.

Syria situation was sticky also - poison gas or something killing people ...the Russians got them to stop...not sure of how much Kerrry did there...

[karynnj]

29. Do you mean Iran?

I think you might be reading things into why Kerry set up the back channel in Oman, not Hillary. A more reasonable possibility is they wanted it secret and they trusted Kerry and as Chair of SFRC he had good reason to go to Oman. Hillary going anywhere would put a spotlight on the meeting - not good if you want secrecy. Note that once the channel was open, William Burns, a career State Department person was involved - and he, of course reported to Clinton.

As to Syria, per a long Atlantic article, Kerry spoke to Lavrov as ear;y as May soon after becoming SoS about the idea of Russia pushing Syria to remove the chemical weapons. This was back when there were much smaller accusations of them having been used. At that point, Russia had no interest.

This was a case where Russia, not the US, had the leverage to push Syria to do this. However, until the US was seriously threatening a targeted attack, Russia had no inclination to do this. This is a case where this would NOT have happened without the US threat, the Russian desire to avoid the attack on Syria and the diplomatic option being suggested by both Obama and Kerry.

I suspect that the reason Obama is given so little credit on this is that the right gives him credit on nothing and the left was angry that Obama threatened an attack -- and they prefer to give all the credit to Putin. This ignores the reports of the negotiations between Kerry and Lavrov -- where if you compare what each demanded up front, Kerry did get all the things he said were needed - including the fastest time frame feasible and monitoring. On the other hand, when the US UN delegation tried to add extraneous demands and the Russian UN delegation moved backwards, it took Kerry and Lavrov to get the final agreement again. Not surprisingly - it was very close to the Geneva agreement.

[fadedrose]

34. Yes I did mean Iran

I corrected it a short time before your post was sent.

I was too sleepy to google names I couldn't remember, but the feeling I had about Iran, after listening to British PM David Cameron that night, that some sanctions were lifed, and it was the Security Council, with Kerry, that made the decision.

Many members of the British parliament were asked questions about how Israel would react and Cameron assured them that he had already sent Netanyaho the agreement and it would hold. It came about when the new leader of Iran made statements about wanting pleace and made many pro-US gestures that were shown even on Letterman. Cameron gave every detail of the agreement.

It seemed clear why only Security Members of the UN were invited...if it were open, Israel would still be protesting, along with their best US buddy, HC. It didn't take long for Shumer and others with ties to Israel either by background or campaign contributions to try to legislate more sanctions on Iran. Christian President Hassan Rouhani made overtures to us that were met openly, which would not have happened with HC in on them.

All of Israel does not back Netanyahu, Many of these dear people want peace and he is such a hawk. There's a lot of money in weapons.

With Syria, a lot of us were relieved when a peaceful solution was sought thru Russia and our President didn't follow thru with an attack, and our hawks were disappointed.

[fadedrose]

18. I am going to bed

Go over to General Discussion if you wish to continue arguing. There's always 200 or 300 people that'll take you on...

Good night

[Whisp]

23. Not unsupported, for example:

http://progressive.org/wx030510.html

Hillary Clinton’s Honduran Disgrace

The democratic opposition in Honduras boycotted lobo’s election, since he’s allied with the forces that overthrew Manuel Zelaya last June.

But for the longest time, Hillary Clinton stubbornly refused to call the June takeover a “coup,” even though her boss, the president of the United States, immediately denounced it as such.

She systematically dragged her feet when it came to pressuring the coup leaders to hand power back over to Zelaya.

And when Lobo won the election, Hillary rushed to heap praise on him.

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Hillary wants to run the show her way and when things get sticky, why, just blame the President for not watching her every move. I've heard that lame and pathetic excuse for her right here too many times. The buck stops at Obama, blah blah blah. That just proves to me she can take no big responsibilities and be trusted. She cannot work unsupervised and be trusted. How that is a good thing, coming from her support groups, I shake my head.

And then there is Lanny Davis, who helped with the coup - business as usual from the Reagan days and central america. I want to fucking barf.

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/lanny-davis-now-lobbying-in-support-of-honduran-coup

Lanny Davis Now Lobbying In Support Of Honduran Coup

It seems like just yesterday that Lanny Davis was making the rounds of every news outlet that would have him, talking up Hillary Clinton's bid for the White House -- and/or pushing the Reverend Wright story.

Not too long after, the former Clinton White House counsel popped up to do damage control for hawkish Democratic congresswoman Jane Harman over the AIPAC leak story.

And now the hardest working conservative Democrat in show business has a new gig: lobbying against the Honduran leader recently deposed in a military coup.

The Hill reports that Davis has been hired by the Honduran branch of CEAL, the Latin American equivalent of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, to urge US lawmakers to support, rather than oppose, the military removal of President Manuel Zelaya, Honduras's democratically elected president.

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Just this one story alone supports the idea that Clinton has her own mafia working for her. So please don't faint with insult when some of us actually can see it.

[fadedrose]

24. ++ Missed that one

Can't get 'em all because there are just to many

I really have to give her "mafia" credit because she has never had to take the blame for anything, anything, or maybe she's just perfect.

[Whisp]

26. John Negroponte was also involved. That sweet war criminal of a man.

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My disgust is about as disgusted as it can get, then it gets only worse when people choose to ignore the fact that Hillary is no god damned humanitarian.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/honduras-coup-the-us-connection/14531

Negroponte is known to have visited Honduras already after the inauguration of Barack Obama. He met a number of opposition politicians and secured Micheletti’s pledge “to go all the way”. Similar guarantees were given to him by representatives of the Honduran business community, the Roman Catholic Church, the owners of TV channels, and the military elite. At the time former adviser to Condoleezza Rice in the US State Department Negroponte had jumped to Hillary Clinton’s team – the new administration obviously deemed his specific expertise in international affairs still useful.

Throughout 2008 Negroponte was building in Central America an intelligence and diplomacy network charged with the mission of regaining the positions lost by the US as well as of neutralizing left regimes and ALBA integration initiative.

fuckety fuck fuck

[Beacool]

19. Bullshit!!!

You know squat about their relationship. What you wrote has no basis on facts.

[karynnj]

31. I completely disagree - even though I really wanted him to pick John Kerry

I think that Obama chose Clinton for several reasons. The first may well have been political and a way to continue pulling Democrats together. By making Clinton SoS, he was able to better harness the good that Bill Clinton could do for his administration. It also avoided having HRC return to the Senate where she did not have a position of power as she chaired no committee. (This is a huge mismatch between her Senate position and her personal power. This could lead to her being a Democratic power sometimes against the President.)

More importantly, she fit very well what he then wanted from the Secretary of State. Both he and Biden were eager to define foreign policy. In Hillary, he had someone who did a great job representing the US abroad - with a level of name recognition - that made a HRC visit almost a state visit. This did elevate respect for the US. In addition, she did a good job in running the State Department per many people who worked there. (This did not mean she had no input on FP. She was on the team and - at least in Afghanistan - she was a key person pushing for a large surge. Obama's surge was smaller, but there is no doubt that she and Gates were key in pushing him in this direction.)

Note that Obama organized the SoS job to assign special envoys to Afghanistan/Pakistan, Israel, Sudan - and possibly elsewhere. Biden handed the Iraq negotiations.

I assume that the job of SoS differs for each President and each SoS. From various accounts, a lot of this is negotiated before each side signs off on the job offer.

[Beacool]

20. More bull.

[fadedrose]

25. I don't think you're right for this

You don't have a mean bone in you that I've noticed anyway.

[Cali_Democrat]

9. Yes he said he would like to see Hillary in 2016

You should probably change your avatar too.

[fadedrose]

10. I like a lot of Dems

Warren, Biden, a few Senators, etc.

I was hoping that if a Dem won, Howard would be SHHS....or Surgeon General or something like that.

No 3rd way president would choose him, been bad blood there for a long time regardless of what he said about supporting Clinton....The DLC has hated him for a long time.

The Iowa primary, the way he was outed as Chairman of the DNC and not even invited to attend the new Chairman's ceremony....hard to swallow for him I bet.

[fadedrose]

11. My Checking shows last withdrawal for DFA in Sep/12

I went to the website and Jim Dean is still head of it, and they say they still support progressive candidates - Wendy Davis being one of them. I remember now getting a phonecall and telling them it was too soon to donate and didn't renew.

I'll stick with Dean until a candidate is chosen. In the meantime, will sign up to help with the 2014 key races.............

Dean is too tactful to say the kinds of stuff I've been saying...give him credit for that anyway

[brooklynite]

14. So, no more contributions to Elizabeth Warren then?

[fadedrose]

15. I have never donated to Warren

and need a bit of encouragment from her before I do so.


I love her very much. I get good vibes everytime I see her speak....

Are you donating to her yet?

[brooklynite]

21. My wife and I were big bucks donors to Warren...

...in fact, the WSJ wrote an article about Lawyers contributing to Warren that called my wife out pretty specifically.

We supported her because we like her politics AND because she's electable in Massachusetts. As for President, we're with Hillary unless she decides not to run, in which case I'll be supporting Schweitzer (whom I've already told).

[1StrongBlackMan]

22. Good one ...

That ought to end your exchange with posters that are all over the map with respect to donating ... EW needs to do more to impress him/her? WFT is that?

(which leaves me to the obvious conclusion ... he/she hasn't/doesn't donate sh!t)

[Whisp]

27. well....

I would say it is just too early to donate. If Warren put her official hat in the ring, then maybe. but it's early.

I'm wonder tho, with the groups that have already formed and collecting money for Hillary - where does that money go if she doesn't run? I never did understand this part. I mean if I was a big fan and gave $1000, and she didn't run -- holy cow I'd want my money back. I certainly hope it works that way.

[1StrongBlackMan]

33. While it may ...

be too early to donate to EW for her presidential run ... her policy focus has changed since her jad the federal oversight post that got her on most folks' political map and since then ... she had a hotly contested Senatorial primary and General election and will likely face another one in 2016; not to mention, she has a PAC that does more than just work to get her elected.

The campaign finance rules allow seating elected officials that decide not to run again to keep the unspent funds in their "war chests." And that's another problem with campaign finance rules ... as we see elected officials' war chests (depending on committee status), actually increase shortly after "pondering the question" of whether to get out of politics.

[NorthCarolina]

28. I have donated to Warren a few times.

Have also donated to Grayson, and several times to Bernie Sanders over the years. Will continue to do so as long as they keep speaking for me. Of course to be honest, I also donated to Obama a few times during his first campaign ....can't be right 100% of the time I guess...but hey, he TALKED like a progressive (fool me once).