2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHad one of those "water cooler" confrontations with right wingers at work today. Great fun.
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Well, one of 'em started it all. Knowing my opinions, he said, "I can't wait until 2016 because I'm retiring and Obama will be gone. He's such an idiot." Opened the door, and I ran right in. I let him and his cohort have it with "Ya, we could go back to destroying the country like under Bush who squandered the Clinton surplus, exploded the debt, and ran the country into the ground with THE GREAT REPUBLICAN RECESSION. Obama has cut the deficit in half, saved the auto industry, and has 44 straight months of job growth. That's the facts whether you like it or not. Now if you want a political fight, I'll give you one."
Of course I knew I was talking to a bag of hammers who watch Fake Noise Idiocy Channel and listen to Oxy-Boy Rush as they stood scowling.
Then one of course went into attack mode and insulted me personally. I told him "Ya, keep listening to Rush Limbaugh, the DRUG ADDICT where you get your information." That guy then huffed away.
Then another right winger joined in and they started up, of course, about ObamaCare and how terrible that was. I then said very emphatically, "What is the Republican health insurance reform plan?" No answer. Blank stares. I said it again. No answer. Then one said, "Well they need to get jobs." I said, "Yup, in other words you have no plan. No answer. You're bankrupt on the entire issue, of course. Case closed."
Then one said, "Well I get my healthcare from the military." I then replied, "Ya, in other words PURE SOCIALISM. Nothing is more SOCIALIST than the military." Then he huffed away.
Then I had to get back to work.
Never, ever, ever back down to right wingers. They are empty-headed and bankrupt. Another colleague of mine recently BLASTED a couple of STUPID climate change deniers. They slunked off with their pathetic numb tails between their legs. BASH them HARD. Never back down. They are numb-minded Rush Limbaugh lovers and nothing more. SAY SO !
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)....these assholes are the first to complain to HR.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)My boss was ranting about how much welfare fraudsters are costing the taxpayers. I went home, researched the estimates for welfare fraud (annually, posted by the feds) and the estimates for how much the criminal bankers cost us in 2008. I used the highest welfare fraud figure I could find, and the lowest estimate for the 2008 debacle. Using those figures, I determined that it would take over 500 years for the welfare fraudsters to cost the US taxpayers as much as the criminal bankers did (and, I didn't even break out the corporate welfare fraudsters!). When I shared this info with my boss, he just went silent and walked away. Thankfully, since that interaction, he's stopped throwing right wing bullshit at me.
busterbrown
(8,515 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)marble falls
(57,157 posts)you hammered the nail dead on the head. Its the least we should do for everyone. Don't back up an inch!
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Tell the right-winger, "YOU ARE A SOCIALIST !" When he of course shakes his head, say "Do you like the military?" They'll say yes. Then say, "It's PURE SOCIALISM. Totally government funded jobs, food, clothes, and HEALTHCARE. In fact, the military and VA hospitals are our ONLY TRULY socialized medicine. You also love SS, Medicare, Bush's Socialist Medicare D bill, public roads, public schools, public parks, public police and fire department, etc. YOU ARE A SOCIALIST AND YOU CAN'T DENY IT." When they try to refute, just say, "You're a socialist, you're a socialist, you're a socialist,..." and just say that over and over again until they huff away. ALWAYS WORKS !
marble falls
(57,157 posts)eridani
(51,907 posts)Not only does the government give them everything they need, but it dictates most aspects of their daily lives.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Any government involvement whatsoever and they will label it "socialism." So by their standards, the roads and military are socialism.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)the biggest hypocrites ever! If you guys live in a RED state, the BLUE states are largely responsible for redistributing the wealth to poor, unemployed, uninsured RED-staters.
When ReThugs shut down the government unnecessarily, they wasted $24 billion. Will they ever be held accountable for that??
narnian60
(3,510 posts)"Well, they need to get jobs." Idiot.
Curmudgeoness
(18,219 posts)with no health insurance, well, they need to get BETTER jobs.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Whites to vote for them: convince them that government is there primarily to serve the interests of black people who are too lazy (and never as smart or determined) to do for themselves. This is the message that I--as a black person, and especially a black woman--and blacks in general have received from conservatives/Rethugs all our lives! Nothing has changed. Rethugs are still using racially coded language--food stamps, unemployment benefits, etc. these safety net interventions require recipients to be actively looking for a job and/or be involved in some kind of job training or education/vocational program. But, the Rethugs continue to use race as a buffer to get poor and middle class whites to vote against their best interests, even if they too receive public assistance. Rethugs are convinced that if they are able to successfully exploit racial prejudices that many whites harbor against people of color--whether they realize it or not--they can get them to vote Rethuglican.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)...and therefore don't deserve it. It's sick!!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)responsible. In other words, making it easier for people of color to own homes in their neighborhood of choice led to the crisis. And don't forget Fannie and Freddie! Damn!! I didn't know we negroes had that much power to bring down an entire world economy!!!
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)ErikJ
(6,335 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Brigid
(17,621 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)When you have FACTS on your side, you always win!
ailsagirl
(22,898 posts)They're such dummies
caledesi
(11,903 posts)calimary
(81,435 posts)Never let their addle-brained and wrong-headed and horribly mis-informed statements of "fact" stand. NEVER let them stand. They always have to be answered, denounced, and debunked. Who knows? Your rebuttals just might be the first time any of these folks heard the other (our) side.
JHB
(37,161 posts)...put out by the Heritage Foundation. It's the one they're now calling "Obamacare".
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)as can be seen in their zealous opposition to Obamacare.
Gidney N Cloyd
(19,846 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,483 posts)ailsagirl
(22,898 posts)I discovered, too late, that my healthcare broker is a repuke. When I told him I was a Dem, he became very cool toward me, whereas he had been nice before. Figures.
The tipoff was that he takes breaks by eating a sandwich and turning on Fox Noise.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)You did a great job of summarizing perfect answers to them. I usually go blank because I get bogged down in details and trying to remember specifics while I'm stunned at the magnitude of the ignorance. How do you even address people who are so basically, fundamentally, pervasively, relentlessly, self-righteously deluded?
........then they change the subject and I'm grinding my gears again. Sooooo frustrating.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)people who scrape the bottom of the information barrel getting by their talking points from the Drug Addict Rush Limbaugh and the Bimbos at the FAKE NEWS NETWORK.
BlancheSplanchnik
(20,219 posts)busterbrown
(8,515 posts)started the Iraqi war without paying for it.. Costs to this point over 6 trillion...Borrowed.
395 billion for Bushs Medicare Drug program over 10 years...Borrowed
Tax cuts for top 10% cost country 2 trillion bucks in revenue..
Then I point to forbes article stating that Obama is small spending administration since Eisenhower..
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Nanjing to Seoul
(2,088 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)One needs good info to be able to speak up with authority to the Know-Nothings.
NBachers
(17,135 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Ganja Ninja
(15,953 posts)So he's another freeloader sponging off the tax payers? Get a job Hippie!
doc03
(35,362 posts)on Obamacare say, " So you want to go back to socialism then?". When they give you that blank look
and ask you what you are talking about tell them now when people go to the emergency room or a doctor
the taxpayers don't
pay for it they have insurance.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)The Wizard
(12,547 posts)empirical data that supports their assertions. Usually followed by the sound of crickets and some drooling.
RBInMaine
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arcane1
(38,613 posts)blkmusclmachine
(16,149 posts)8vP
Gman
(24,780 posts)But I tire of wasting good time on them after a while.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)toby jo
(1,269 posts)handle it and throw it back at em.
I think the women are even more ignorant than the men. They always seem meaner, too.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)mnhtnbb
(31,401 posts)about her "blistering cold butt" haha and "where's global warming?".
I put up a science lesson with a couple of links to very plainly, simply
written explanations of the difference between climate change and
weather and the effect of one on the other. Just reamed her ass. Then somebody else came on
the board and did the same thing!
She comes back with "oh, I know about climate change. I was just
making a joke." Right. I know she listens to Limbaugh, and no way
was I letting her get away with her 'joke'.
Good for you!
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)bmichaelh
(385 posts)Also, I recently had a run in with something similar.
Wingnut says: "If you want health insurance, get a job.""
Below is a a fact for which they have no answer.
Every year (pre-ACA), the insurance companies increase premiums or require more out of pocket for the insurers.
Or they drop more people from their client base.
Or if you suffer a catastrophic illness such as cancer, they send out health investigators to see if they can deny coverage.
The effect is that less Americans are covered each year not more.
How is this economic model sustainable for the future.
They have no answer.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)12ZTR
(92 posts)If one wants to get the Right Wing's attention,Get into their wallet,Boycott all their businesses.
WHERE HAS EVERYONE BEEN SPENDING THEIR MONEY? But it's OK to continue to spend against your own interest,Free Country.
I really need some help,I can't find the definition of hypocrisy on them there interwebs.
I do everything possible to not allow any Right Winger to profit from my spending even though I know some will.
Merry Right Wing Profit Making Christmas to all.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)These fuckers are the ones who START it. THE very problem is progressives taking the non-existent "high road" time and again. That is like allowing a bully to stand there and punch you in the face. The ONLY way to respond to bullies is to SMASH THEM DOWN HARDER than they hit you. It is the ONLY way. Unless you enjoy punishment. SMASH THEM APART! It works, and next time they'll think long and hard before they do it again. I don't go looking for fights, but I sure as hell finish them !