2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Chris Christie Is Edging Past Hillary Clinton For President
If the Democratic nominee turns out to be Hillary Clinton, then what will her response be? If she has been making any appeal at all to the left in her Party, then the attacks from the "bipartisan" Christie will win, by virtue of her having verbalized those leftist commitments, however insincere. However, if she has not been making any appeal to progressive Democrats, then her sell-outs to Wall Street etc., will make her extremely vulnerable. Republicans would just love to be able to repeat such headlines as "Hillary Clinton's Lucrative Goldman Sachs Speaking Gigs," which summarized major-media reports of her two closed-to-the-press speaking-engagements that week at Goldman Sachs (which paid her $400,000 for it), where her speeches were followed by Q&As that presumably provided attendees private insight on the ways she'd throw more trillions of taxpayer dollars at them if she were to lead the U.S.A. As I have documented, virtually all of her campaign funds while she was running for Senate and then the Presidency came from Wall Street. And I documented there that none of Elizabeth Warren's backers include Wall Street: a candidate who has a clearly non-corrupt record can raise lots of money from other sources (and you can see hers here). Also, Senators Bernie Sanders, and Sherrod Brown, are clean, as is Congressman Alan Grayson -- just to mention the other leading progressive contenders.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/why-chris-christie-is-edg_b_4305481.html
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Especially Hillary.
Lifelong Dem
(344 posts)I can wait until 2016 for any nominee response.
Heather MC
(8,084 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)Nobody can see around corners. I know that, as a lifelong Democrat, I didn't see Obama coming. I was supporting Edwards because his health care plan, of all the candidates, looked best to me and also because I believed the b.s. about him caring for the poor. Well, that's what you get with early judgements on possible candidates. You can be totally wrong about someone you trusted in the past. I felt like a fool and I didn't like feeling that way. I swore then I wouldn't rush into supporting anybody early in the game...once burned, twice shy...
Blue Idaho
(5,049 posts)Because he's constantly in the news and Secretary Clinton isn't?
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)And it's in her best interest to stay above the fray as long as she can. If I were advising her, I'd even make sure she avoids supporting any candidates that may have possible scandals.
That being said, no one has decided for sure. We'll have to wait and see who runs.
Laelth
(32,017 posts)-Laelth
big_dog
(4,144 posts)no one will be able to resist the urge to not jump the gun
Laelth
(32,017 posts)Well, that's true.
-Laelth
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)And 2 years before the first caucus or primary.......
Kind of irrelevant. Just sayin'.
mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)we will big in 2016 no matter who the nominee is.
riverbendviewgal
(4,253 posts)Beacool
(30,250 posts)Most people don't know much about him, other that he's obese and gets in people's faces. If Hillary is polling head to head right now in that poll, it may have a lot to do with the RW's obsession with Benghazi and with the current problems with the ACA (which is dragging down every Democrat).
Handicapping a race three years before it happens and when no one has announced their candidacy, is a waste of time.
vinny9698
(1,016 posts)The vetting process found a lot of concerns about Christie. Some questions he did not answer. The Romney really wanted him and that GOP convention Christie speech was Christie pushing Christie for that VP slot.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/188947-book-christie%E2%80%99s-vp-dossier-littered-with-%E2%80%9Cpotential-land-mines%E2%80%9D
You will go up in any poll, if you get all the news media raving about how awesome it was to beat an underfunded, unsupported, Democrat.
big_dog
(4,144 posts)then billed it back to the taxpayers (allegedly)
Coyotl
(15,262 posts)Show me where Christie is edging past Clinton.
Quinnipiac is one pollster that shows Christie edging Clinton - a second pollster PPP is also showing this trend.
- Source RCP
But like others have said, Clinton at this point is not making much noise while Christie is pretty much everywhere. 2016 is such a long way down the road that trends today will be LONG forgotten by then.
For now, I am trying to focus on 2014 as that is most dangerous election cycle for us right now. At the moment the GOP seems to be controlling the message that seriously needs to change.
Cartoonist
(7,317 posts)Many repubs blame him for getting Obama re-elected. He will never win the repub nomination. And remember when Perry was going to be our next Prez?
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)Remember Michelle Bachman in the 2011 primaries ?
And then Newt Gingrich ?
And then Paul Ryan ?
And then Herman Cain ?
And then Goodhair Perry ?
And then Mitty ....
Christie could be irrelevant before the Republican primaries start.
The Republican brand may be synonymous with dogshit by then.
You can get an early start and fret if you want to -- waste of mental energy IMO.
BlueMTexpat
(15,369 posts)so-called "investigative historian" didn't first create a false scenario for an election that is three years away.
Three. Long. Years.
First of all, Dems are still getting their own ducks in the water as far as candidates go. Hillary as a candidate is not a given. But Hillary as the Dem candidate is certainly much less far-fetched than Christie ever being the Rep candidate.
Not for today's GOP and very likely not for the GOP of 2016. Not by a very long shot.
Of course, corruption is actually considered a plus for a GOPer, so perhaps his odds might improve.
DCPSR
(35 posts)Any trend in all the polling that we track in our Sub-Reddit that shows Christie edging out Clinton. Not sure where that it is coming from. Christie does have an edge for the GOP nomination in many state polls, but his leads are not overly big and primary and debates and attacks from conservatives will likely change all that.