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dickthegrouch

(3,174 posts)
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:23 PM Oct 2013

Who are the "Millions harmed by Obamacare"?

I just heard a quote on the radio from some idiot (R) who said "There is nothing in this deal for the millions who are being harmed by Obamacare".

Who are the millions and how are they being harmed?

Apparently we have to fight every single meme out there from these vicious cry-babies.

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Who are the "Millions harmed by Obamacare"? (Original Post) dickthegrouch Oct 2013 OP
As I wrote in another spot... ScreamingMeemie Oct 2013 #1
He means the millions of freeloaders who Swede Atlanta Oct 2013 #2
As the law stands today, there will be a minority of lower middle-class citizens who pay more... last1standing Oct 2013 #3
I now there are some... stillcool Oct 2013 #4
That was just a typo... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #5
Literally millions of people SamYeager Oct 2013 #6
Millions of people are having their egos bruised by the law's success. BenzoDia Oct 2013 #7
It's dollars. sofa king Oct 2013 #8
I am guessing he is talking about the people who have been dropped to 29 hours/week LonePirate Oct 2013 #9
Which is who's fault again? Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2013 #10
it is the employer's tactic, but the employee suffers. Need to call out the employers to shame them Justice Oct 2013 #13
No, he means millions enslaved into government subservience ... unable and unwilling JoePhilly Oct 2013 #11
That's correct RussBLib Oct 2013 #17
And of course the Repubs never blame the greedy employers who cut benefits LonePirate Oct 2013 #19
Remember way back when the debate was about Single Payer? Cresent City Kid Oct 2013 #12
Also if Obama care is so bad for business then why hasn't the DOW dropped 1000 points vinny9698 Oct 2013 #14
Probably was pulling it straight from his ass sakabatou Oct 2013 #15
Single 20-somethings making $60k a year that would rather buy gaming systems and weed BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #16
Buying gaming systems and weed Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #18
I am "harmed" by "Obamacare"! WHOA NELLY am I "harmed"! calimary Oct 2013 #20

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
1. As I wrote in another spot...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:26 PM
Oct 2013

I am being harmed by being able to purchase health insurance for $176/month instead of an unattainable $14-1500/month on a high risk policy with no dependents allowed.

My son is being harmed because I can cover him on that policy with me, instead of carrying temporary catastrophic coverage for $500/quarter.

I am being harmed because I'll be able to get my medications here in the U.S. instead of from India.

Harmful indeed.

 

Swede Atlanta

(3,596 posts)
2. He means the millions of freeloaders who
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:28 PM
Oct 2013

now will have to pay a small tax if they don't purchase healthcare.

They don't care that when this person this is paying what a few hundred dollars in a tax/fine goes to the emergency room for his or her care, have no money or insurance, that the hospital provides the acute care at no charge BUT then passes that cost along to me.

I am being harmed by Obamacare not being in place.

last1standing

(11,709 posts)
3. As the law stands today, there will be a minority of lower middle-class citizens who pay more...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:30 PM
Oct 2013

...for health insurance than they currently do. This is a glitch can be fixed easily if the House leader (whoever that is next week) will allow a vote on it but that isn't likely.

So what will probably happen is the republicans will stop ACA from being fixed then scream that its broken. They did the same thing in 2010 over Medicare. Sadly, it worked for them.

stillcool

(32,626 posts)
4. I now there are some...
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:35 PM
Oct 2013

who are very upset with glitches, and the poverty levels in different states, and how employees hours may be affected, and how citizens of states not participating are affected differently,...and basically imperfections felt by anyone, whether such imperfections are real or not.

 

SamYeager

(309 posts)
6. Literally millions of people
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 01:57 PM
Oct 2013

who each have millions of dollars who will not be adding to that stack of cash at nearly the incredibly high rate they did before Obamacare.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
8. It's dollars.
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 02:01 PM
Oct 2013

Millions of dollars that would ordinarily travel without incident from sick Americans' accounts into rich peoples' pockets would be harmed by the ACA. These dollars are tragically turned back from their migratory route and forced to return to the pockets of poor, undeserving Americans.

For just the price of a cup of coffee a day, and their shortened lives, Americans can forego the opportunity to have health insurance, and once again restore the dollar-elevator-ecosystem which has made America so great since 2001.

Please, won't you help by voting against your own best interests?

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
9. I am guessing he is talking about the people who have been dropped to 29 hours/week
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:00 PM
Oct 2013

Or those whose employers have dropped health insurance benefits entirely.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
11. No, he means millions enslaved into government subservience ... unable and unwilling
Wed Oct 16, 2013, 03:27 PM
Oct 2013

to care for themselves.

That's what the jerk means.

He could not care less about workers losing hours, or losing their access to affordable health coverage.

RussBLib

(9,012 posts)
17. That's correct
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 02:37 PM
Oct 2013

Go back to Ted Cruz speech on the floor of the Senate during the vote to end the shutdown. (What a fucking demogogue)

Cruz mentioned "single moms" who have had their hours cut by their employers, "because of Obamacare."

He held up a letter allegedly to a person employed by a small business from an insurance company where the insurance company was canceling the insurance "because of Obamacare."

Something never mentioned, of course, is the fact that these people whose employers terminated their insurance just might find a better healthcare insurance deal on the exchange. Small businesses don't have a whole lot of pooling power. The Obamacare pool stands to be a whole lot bigger, and thus lower rates will ensue. It could actually be a GOOD thing that they lost their healthcare, because the ACA is primarily for those who do not have any health insurance.

But the GOP can't possibly suggest that those poor "millions who are being harmed by Obamacare" might be able to get better, cheaper coverage on the Obamacare exchanges, or it would defeat their own argument. Dems need to make that argument.

Yes, it appears that every single fucking meme and lie and distortion has to be countered with facts and repetition. Even so, more memes, lies and distortions will continue to be fabricated. Me? I just want to retire!!

LonePirate

(13,424 posts)
19. And of course the Repubs never blame the greedy employers who cut benefits
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 05:58 PM
Oct 2013

According to them, it's always Obama's fault and they never propose any viable solution like a public option or single payer that would actually help all Americans.

Cresent City Kid

(1,621 posts)
12. Remember way back when the debate was about Single Payer?
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 07:31 AM
Oct 2013

Also, I find it funny that one of the Dems' concessions was the income verification part of the deal. Really, Republicans adding a layer of bureaucracy to a government program? Okay, I'll play along even though my employer sends in my income information and I send it in again at tax time.

We can't even get to the core issue of why health care costs so much and who gets the money. Let's verify the income of hospital administrators and insurance executives.

vinny9698

(1,016 posts)
14. Also if Obama care is so bad for business then why hasn't the DOW dropped 1000 points
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 01:38 PM
Oct 2013

The DOW has actually gone up after Obama Care went into effect.

 
16. Single 20-somethings making $60k a year that would rather buy gaming systems and weed
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 02:29 PM
Oct 2013

than spend some of that money responsibly on a health insurance plan?

calimary

(81,267 posts)
20. I am "harmed" by "Obamacare"! WHOA NELLY am I "harmed"!
Thu Oct 17, 2013, 06:12 PM
Oct 2013

My son and my husband both have pre-existing conditions. The GOP's precious fucking "free market" kept them securely UNINSURED - until the Affordable Care Act came about. And whether or not our son has a pre-existing condition, we can still keep him covered under our policy til he's 26!

My son's band has a really terrific drummer. He's utterly and quite literally adorable! He's also a childhood cancer survivor. He and his family have been "harmed" by the Affordable Care Act's doing away with that damn pre-existing condition crap, AND allows his parents to keep him covered on their policy for another three years - til he can get on his feet and afford his own coverage (which will be substantially more affordable now, too)! "Harmed" big-time, 'eh?

If that's what being "harmed" is, then call me a masochist and give me MORE!

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