ON Hillary--DU gets misled by a NRA supported Republican from Georgia--

[Always Randy]

Hillary Clinton: I Backed Osama Bin Laden Raid, Joe Biden Didn't----this was posted on DU breaking news yesterday and a lot of us began condemning Hillary because of it------BUT read a bit deeper and you see the source of the information is

Representative Tom Taylor, an NRA supported Republican from the 79th District in Georgia

http://www.house.ga.gov/Documents/Biographies/taylorTom.pdf a biography about Taylor


http://votesmart.org/candidate/122832/tom-taylor#.Ul6BfozD8wB and this shows the contributions from NRA --and a bunch of other not so DU stuff about him

It is a severely unfair and convoluted story because Politico picks up an article from the Atlanta Journal Constitution quoting the Republican, NRA supported Tom Taylor saying this is what he heard at a speech given by Hillary.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/10/hillary-clinton-joe-biden-osama-bin-laden-98343.html?hp=f3

One of our people ----"big dog" (no offense intended here big dog)---picks it up---posts it on breaking news on the DU site ----and a lot of our people are further incensed about Hillary----

so the bottom line is ---do we need the Republican from Georgia to tell us how to feel about our candidates

[BlueToTheBone]

1. Thanks for the clarification.

[NYC_SKP]

2. Not sure, but will say a significant number of us don't want Hillary anywhere near the White House.

No more Clintons, no more Bushes, we need a progressive like Warren.

[Always Randy]

6. That may be true---but do you need a Republican's help

to arrive at that decision

[Sunlei]

12. Mrs Warren has already stated, she will not run for President AND she is focused on 2014.

I'm sure Mrs Warren will fully support whoever D runs for President and would never state "no more (insert Democratic name here)"

[Fearless]

13. Link?

[Sunlei]

15. didn't read it I listened to her say it, and it was within the past 2 months.

I pay attention if the people say they want to run or not. It interests me.

Mrs. Clinton said she will state her 'final decision' after 2014. But I still don't think she will run, just keep republicans guessing (and spending billions on media smears) for as many years as possible.

[Fearless]

21. If anyone does have one I'd be curious.

I also like to keep up with these things. Do you remember where she was talking?

[Ranchemp.]

22. Here you go.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/30/elizabeth-warren-president_n_4016319.html

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) insisted in a recent interview with The New York Times that she does not plan to seek the presidency.

"In the interview, Warren, 64, said twice that she had no interest in running for president, a point her aides amplify privately," reported The Times. "But she said she would continue to focus on economic fairness, saying it is the signal issue of the day."

Still, if Hillary Clinton decides not to run in 2016, David Axelrod, a former adviser to President Barack Obama, said Warren may be more likely to reconsider.

“If Hillary doesn’t run, I bet there will be plenty of folks, particularly on the left, urging her to look at it,” Axelrod said, according to The Times. Axelrod called Warren an "electric figure" among progressives

[Fearless]

23. Thanks for the link!

[Ranchemp.]

24. My pleasure.

[Beacool]

28. Let me oblige you.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014606521

[Fearless]

29. Already got it, but thanks.

[Beacool]

30. You're welcome.

[NYC_SKP]

14. I wish Hillary was focused on 2014. nt

[Sunlei]

16. I wish Mrs. Clinton would run for Gov of Texas, now! :)

She would win and we need her to knock perryRgang off his perch.

[NYC_SKP]

31. I would contribute to see that happen!

[bunnies]

3. Just curious as to what part was misleading.

[Always Randy]

7. you could also ask what part wasn't

Politico ---picks up a story from the Atlanta newspaper quoting a Republican. NRA supported Rep---shall we read it all together -----my first shot is "why do we need a Republican's story on DU"-----read his resume and see who supports him and see how he supports just about everything that is contrary to DU think

[bunnies]

8. No. Im asking what part was.

Im asking you to back up your claim. Hillary did, in fact, support the raid and Joe Biden did not, in fact, support the raid. Source aside, you claim the article is wrong but have nothing to back that up.

If you want to comment on what sources should or should not be used on DU, thats one thing. But claiming that anyone here was "misled" without proof is another.

I wont even touch the fact that you started a thread just to call out a specific DUer. Not cool.

[Ranchemp.]

9. I'm flumoxed as to why OP keeps refering to the NRA?

I detest that org. but what do they have to do with the story, which is true, Hillary did back the raid while Biden was against it.

[bunnies]

10. Im flummoxed by the whole OP.

Usually when you tell someone they've been misled you explain the reason why. "Because NRA Republican" doesnt exactly cut it. In fact, I heard this same story repeated on MSNBC this morning and not a single source has come forth to dispute it. Gah!

[Sunlei]

17. propaganda is a very tangled web and republicans are experts at it.

They even have you stating over and over and over, basically Mrs. Clinton wants war.

They are already setting the 2016 agenda. Even the questions in that interview were stacked to combine the 2 issues used. One question was about Biden voted no....Other question was Mrs. Clinton voted yes.

It's the RW media writers (and they're very good) that combined the 2 separate questions into the short statement you keep saying. I guarantee you if Mrs. Clinton does run (she won't) that short statement will have been said a million times by then.

[karynnj]

20. Not at all what happened here.

This was not about votes. It was about their advice to Obama - and both have said what they advised. This was not about war, but about getting OBL.

It is also true that Biden supported a much more limited approach in Afghanistan just going after terrorists. Hillary in 2009 supported a bigger surge than Obama actually went with. That was NOT in the article. Hillary also was instrumental in encouraging the rebels in Syria. She also led Obama in supporting the coup in Honduras.

[Sunlei]

25. I wish Joe Biden & Mrs. Clinton would run. The Dove and the Hawk! what a balanced team.

But I think the Clinton Foundation needs her more. She should keep republicans guessing & yank their chain$$.

[Always Randy]

34. the part that was quoting POLITICO

it led me to believe that POLITICO was covering a story live and heard HRC make the statement---in fact it was third party hearsay-----------an Atlanta newspaper quoting a Georgia Republican who claimed to be at the event-------so this is zero clarity on the point-------

Now ---as to the point ---I have no doubt that Hillary could or would say such a thing----I happen to think she is more ruthless than any other political contender on the horizon----I was an Obama supporter from the beginning----but I DO support her now unless there is some other more viable candidate that surfaces

[bunnies]

36. This is nothing unusual in journalism.

MSNBC ran with that story this AM. News outlets report on others reporting constantly. Its not like Politico hid or lied about their source. THAT would be misleading. Sometimes it takes clicking several links to get to the source of the story. Thats just the way it works on the net, unfortunately.

I agree with you on Hillary. Ive no doubt she'd say such a thing. Ive also no doubt that she would be denouncing the story if it were untrue. It wouldnt be like her to let a lie about her slip by. As you said, she's ruthless.

[Always Randy]

37. Let me ask you this

was it the right thing to do to go and take out Bin Laden?

[bunnies]

38. I believe it was. Yes. nt

[Always Randy]

39. Does it matter to you

that the source is a Republican official----never mind that the other outlets printed it----my question remains "Are we to let Republicans speak for our candidates? " --if so that is a sorry condition going in to 2014

[bunnies]

40. Sure it does.

I think we're getting hung up on nuance. If you notice, I didnt post in any of the threads calling Hillary out on this issue. My only beef, so to speak, was your claim that anyone was misled. My tiny point is that people can always find the source if they are willing.

[Always Randy]

41. and I agree ---but should they post it on "Breaking News" if

it is not breaking news ---but rather only hearsay from a Republican----next we will br asking Ted Cruz for "Breaking News"-----and it is not only this----it started another "Get Hillary " rampage on DU---we don't need that kind of help----especially from a Republican

[bunnies]

42. lol. Good point.

I agree with you.

[redstatebluegirl]

4. They do not play fair and we all know it.

We need to be very vigilant about what we see and hear and the source of that information. They will be working overtime to come into our "DU world" to poison the water. Especially after this recent fiasco. If they can't win on a level playing field they cheat. It is out job to protect our democracy

I have not made up my mind about 2016, I need more information and need to see who is really serious about running.

Bottom line, we have to stay together, argue among ourselves as we always do, but in the end be wary of those who would divide and conquer.

[Sunlei]

19. They don't play fair but they are very, very good at their 'game'

Divide and Conquer works even with Ds

we got to stick together and point out this tactic as much as we can or it will cost us elections. Just a few percent of votes makes a difference.

[TheDebbieDee]

5. Democrats and their supporters had a bad habit of reacting/responding

to the statements of other Dems before verifying that the statements had been made. It led to Dems appearing to snipe at each other and looking foolish.

Dems finally got a clue and stopped cutting each other down for the public's amusement but I was aggravated as hell seeing clips of them snappily reacting to something that nobody said.......

[Sunlei]

11. I know. Those attacks are exactly how Rs attack every single D who has or may run for Pres.

Constant 24/7 propaganda and smears work, Rs spend a lot, billions to smear Ds. And people fall for that crap ALL the time.

[karynnj]

18. The article was about HRC's response to a question

1) It is completely reasonable that she say what her advice was - and it is actually what it was rumoured to be. That she added that Biden and others disagreed is also fact and was public knowledge.

2) Whether she or Biden run, they ans others in the Obama administration will likely tell inside stories. Has there ever been an administration in modern times that did not generate a lot of insider books? Have you ever looked at a big book store's shelf of Clinton or Bush books? That will happen here too.

3) If Biden or Clinton run, their PERSONAL choices (not the ones they implemented) are important to look at - as they tell the story of how they would act as President. When a VP runs, it is usually seen as the acceptance or rejection of the 2 term Presidency. Rejection is usually unlikely as it means seeing the worst - rather than the best - of a current Democratic President. Consider that Bill Bradley ran against what he saw wrong in the Clinton Presidency and he lost badly.

4) Clinton is an interesting variation of 3) -- rejecting her might, in fact, be rejecting the last two Democratic Presidents as she played a role in both. One of the weird dynamics of 2008 was that because Clinton ran, many Democrats (supporting Obama) had to not praise Bill Clinton - or even criticize him - a very risky thing to do within the party.

5) That the writer was Republican does not mean that this article was negative on Clinton or intended to her hurt her. In fact, AFTER THE FACT, having supported that attack with all the risks involved, shows a willingness to take risks for important reasons. Whether that works out most of the time or not - it is something more admired than being seen as too timid.

[Always Randy]

35. I might not have been clear

and thank you for commenting

my point was that the real source of the story is a Republican State Representative from Georgia that has a very high rating from the National Rifle Association---my feeling is that before we allow such a story to be posted here we simply should have vetted it fully-----even the original story in the Atlanta paper is total hearsay because the press was specifically excluded from the speech

so karynnj this is your Reply title

karynnj

18. The article was about HRC's response to a question

the article was not about what HRC said----but rather what a Republican said that she said------now if we on DU are to let that type of commentary direct us we might got off the trail a bit-----

and BTW ---if you are an HRC hater I certainly understand ----I never supported her before ---I think she is a viscous politico ------------BUT ---I think she is exactly what is needed to put the right ring to pasture for good

and once more thank you for this constructive engagement

[RebelOne]

26. I live in Georgia and do not pay heed to anything

the Republicans here say.

[Beacool]

27. Leave it to DU to trash the Clintons.

Did Hillary take a swipe at Biden?

Washington (CNN) – Did Hillary Clinton take a 2016 detour on her supposedly non-political paid speaking circuit?

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported Tuesday that Clinton, during her latest paid speaking gig to the National Association of Convenience Stores, spent nearly half an hour discussing the story behind the 2011 Navy SEAL raid on Osama bin Laden's compound in Pakistan, specifically highlighting Vice President Joe Biden's opposition to the mission.

.............

Georgia state Rep. Tom Taylor, who was in the room Tuesday for the Atlanta speech, recounted the tidbit to the Journal-Constitution.

"I know she's running for president now, because toward the end, she was asked about the Osama bin Laden raid. She took 25 minutes to answer," the Republican state lawmaker said, according to the paper. "Without turning the knife too deeply, she put it to Biden."

But a spokesman for the convenience store group who was in the audience said that account was misleading.

"There are a lot of problems with that story," said Jeff Lenard, a NACS spokesman. "I don't think anybody in the audience came away with that perception or recollection of the speech. It's not an accurate portrayal of what happened yesterday"

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/16/did-hillary-take-a-swipe-at-biden/?hpt=hp_t3

It doesn't seem to matter around here that the story came from a Republican. Typical........

[Always Randy]

43. well thank you Beacool

I m encouraged that someone is comprehending what I am saying----this is about the SOURCE------so what if someone hates Hillary---a lot of people do ----but that does not mean that we need a Rush Limbaugh lover to tell us how to choose a candidate

[Whisp]

32. Thanks, AR.

As you well know I am no fan of the Clintons, but I wasn't willing to believe anything coming from a Pugs mouth on the matter. No need to make shit up there is plenty of real stuff out there.

[flamingdem]

33. Thanks for that explanation!

That should not get by us here, more to come and we will be ready!