Just so that DU'ers know a GRAND BARGAIN= Cuts in Social Security

[bigdarryl]

Mark Thompson has been talking about this so called grand bargain that Obama wants and a guess Mark Thompson has on his show every Wednesday Susie Madrie and she has been predicting for a whole year that Obama wants to make cuts in Social Security with a Grand Bargain(change CPI).So on Rachel Maddow's show substituted by Steve Korackie they were talking Grand Bargain READ!! this report from last week http://hotair.com/archives/2013/09/25/senate-republicans-to-call-obamas-bluff-on-chained-cpi/

[Avalux]

1. So....according to you, Obama wants to cut Social Security.

And he doesn't just want it, he's actively campaigning for it.

[DURHAM D]

2. The President has NEVER taken the chained CPI off the table.

[Avalux]

4. Let's say that's true. Doesn't mean he wants it.

I fail to see the correlation.

[cui bono]

8. He's the one who put it on the table. n/t

[DURHAM D]

11. Precisely

[DURHAM D]

10. Ed (MSNBC) was ginned up about it tonight.

Wants it? Doesn't want it? Either way the President has held it back as a bargaining chip this entire time.

The AARP has been sending out emails once or twice a week to members for the past year asking us to contact our representatives and tell them we don't want it. They also have a chained CPI calculator on their website so members can figure out for themselves what it will cost them personally. To be honest I have never used the calculator and was dismissive of the fact the President was keeping this in his bag of tricks but today when I heard that he may be seeking a "grand bargain" I immediately assumed this was the chip the President would hand over.

I hope in return the President finally stops kissing the ass of Big Pharma and fixes Part D.

[bigdarryl]

5. YEP!!

[bigdarryl]

3. NO!! not according to me as I said this has been talked about on Mark Thompson's show

In fact they were talking about it on his show this afternoon.

[neverforget]

15. It's on the White House website

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/factsheet/chained-cpi-protections

[Dragonfli]

24. That far left emoprog website is lying to discredit the White house! Fuck Rand Paul!

Best to read only Spamdan if you want any real truth. His "peoples voice" or whatever it's called blog is the only honest source left you know, so don't be so easily tricked by the GOP and their propaganda.

[JoePhilly]

29. They'll be sure he's going to cut Social Security long after he leaves office too.

[arcane1]

6. It = the Shock Doctrine applied to a manufactured "crisis"

I hope the Dems see through that!

[Blue Idaho]

7. K&R

Never forget that this is part of the grand bargain.

[cry baby]

9. I thought that I understood that it's boner that wants a grand bargain.

He even told his GOP buddies that they need to stand with him.

[DURHAM D]

13. To get the bargain the WH has to give up something important.

[cry baby]

14. At this point, I haven't heard that Obama is willing to consent to a grand bargain.

He is holding a string hand and doesn't need to do that. Things are different at this point than it was when they were talking grand bargain last time.

[awoke_in_2003]

16. Neither have I...

Sir Orange is talking about one, though. Probably too much gin for lunch.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

12. Until it happens, I will not succumb to these kind of knee-jerk hysterics.

[Faryn Balyncd]

18. And at that point, what would be helpful?

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

34. Look I work for the federal government. Trust me, I know pain. ;)

[JoePhilly]

31. Awe come on, the last 10 times DU flipped out on this topic were so much fun.

You'd think Obama had already cut social security.

[Arkana]

17. Sigh...we have heard this from the screaming Mimis on the far left for 5 years.

It's. Not. Happening.

[Dragonfli]

22. You shouldn't call Obama a "screaming Mimi" he has been the one saying it, but is still due respect.

Why on earth do you think people that support SS are "the far left" anyway, just curious.

The AARP has been sending out emails once or twice a week to members for the past year asking us to contact our representatives and tell them we don't want it. Why do you classify them as far left? They are not Communists you know. In fact, there really isn't a far left movement in this country large enough to even hear. Even the Socialists and Communists in the US are only a bit left of center as compared to nearly all other countries (and actual definitions)

[Enthusiast]

25. Plus one.

Yes. Calling people that are against Chained CPI communists (far left) is over the top. The American people are united in their opposition to Chained CPI.

[JoePhilly]

27. Same folks predicting the death of social security ... again.

Each time they are POSITIVE its going to happen.

Then, nothing.

And in a few months, they'll be at it again.

[geek tragedy]

19. If Obama was so keen to cut SS and Medicare, why did Boehner have to shut down the government

to get him to the negotiating table?

[Dragonfli]

21. because he wasn't keen to negotiate on Romneycare which is what this blackmail is about?

Try to keep up, they are after heritage health funding at the moment, Obama is the one that keeps catapulting the cuts to entitlements. In his own words, and quite often. You may think Obama is a liar but I take him at his word regarding bipartisan negotiations as he has been rather consistent.

Don't worry, Boner will get to it again, maybe next time he can get his tea babies to go along (he's tried that unsuccessfully before, he likes Obama's "grand bargain&quot

[JoePhilly]

28. Boehner is part of Obama's evil plan, naturally.

They're in cahoots.

[madrchsod]

20. ain`t going to happen....

[blkmusclmachine]

23. Drip drip drip

America, meet bathtub.

[JoePhilly]

26. This is it!!! Here it comes!!! Any second!!!

This will be what, the 10th time Obama has cut Social Security ?

I've lost count.

[HappyMe]

32. It is kind of odd that

right after something good happens, this gets dusted off again.

[JoePhilly]

33. To be honest ...

I had expected the "Obama is going to cave and kill social security" OPs to start appearing about a week ago.

So I'm not sure what really caused the delay there.

Maybe some were still getting over the hair on fire predictions of a Syria war that never happened. I know that one left a mark.

[Kolesar]

30. You could at least proofread for typos in your flame bait post

(change CPI) chained
Steve Korackie Kornacki

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

35. Again, I really like Mike Thompson and respect him but I don't know what this OP

is talking about...


Republican Speaker Boehner says Obama refused to negotiate in White House meeting

Source: ReutersS

(Reuters) - House of Representatives Speaker John Boehner emerged from White House talks on Wednesday to say that President Barack Obama again refused to negotiate with them to end a government shutdown.

After more than an hour of talks between Obama and congressional leaders, the top Republican in Washington told reporters it was a polite conversation, but essentially made no progress


Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/02/us-usa-fiscal-obama-boehner-

[Dragonfli]

37. Obama refused to negotiate a delay or de-funding of the ACA, which was the topic of negotiations

I support his refusal to give in to the demands of Boehner regarding a law that was already passed and debated in congress prior to it's passing. A law that was also reviewed by the Supreme Court and found constitutional. The demand was absurd and the hostage taking employed to try to basically "unpass" a passed law and reverse the results of an entire election was/is ludicrous and desperate.

The fact that he correctly refuses to re-negotiate the ACA is heartening but has nothing to do with his often stated goal of reaching a "grand bargain" agreement to reduce the deficit, when that is the topic of negotiations rather than this silly hissy fit of the tea babies then perhaps he will change his mind on his current stance that does indeed favor "entitlement reforms" as part of an overall compromise with the Republicans on deficit reduction.

Why are you conflating a negotiation regarding the ACA with his stance on deficit reduction? It is rather dishonest to pretend they were negotiating SS rather than health care. You must know what the topic is of the negotiations, both sides are quite open about it so I know it is something more than simple ignorance on your part about what the topic of the shutdown is.

I also don't get how you deny what the President has said repeatedly is his stance on SS. I don't think he is a liar and he has been rather clear. You would do well to try to employ the same honesty as he does.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/factsheet/chained-cpi-protections

[leftynyc]

36. Hmmm - two OP's

one (falsely) suggesting the President is cutting SS and the other laying the blame of the shutdown on the President. Are you sure you're on the right site? I normally detest when people ask that kind of question but, seriously, what is your problem with the President?