2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI don't think the military should be getting paid
During this shut down.If the Government is shut down EVERYBODY should be treated the same
Deep13
(39,154 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Obama signed a bill saying they'd get paid, so you won't get your wish.
It will be military personnel picking up the slack in a lot of DOD offices which are primarily civilian until this business ends.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)They legally cannot pick up the slack. Stuff just wont get done.
MADem
(135,425 posts)Go back and reread my post.
I know full well that I used military personnel to do civilian work in DOD offices during the Gingrich shut down. Lots of stuff didn't get done, but the things that NEEDED to be done, that were normally done by civilians, were done by military personnel. I did some of the work of my civilian staff myself, in my military uniform. I slept in my office several days a week, because the workload was crushing and there was too much to do.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)I dont fucking care what happened last time.
And on edit, just cause you did it does not make it legal. It likely was not. We did lost of stuff back then we do not do today.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I assume you mean these guys? http://cpol.army.mil/library/general/2013sequestration/index.html#faqs
You're gonna have to point me to the piece that says that a military supervisor with military and civilian employees is constrained from doling out the work that falls under his or her responsibility in a manner that he or she sees fit in order to complete the mission....because there are just too many guidance documents in that pile.
It was entirely legal, what I did. I was the boss. I had a job to do, and I had limited staff.
So--when you find that memo, I'd love to read it.
Drahthaardogs
(6,843 posts)Honestly, there were a lot of memos that went out. It is a prohibited personnel action to use military or non-furloughed employees to do the work of furloughed employees. This was said about 2000 times during the furloughs. They specifically used the last time as examples of WHAT NOT TO DO. Trust me, I am now a fucking expert on furloughs...
Bottom line. If it essential, then essential personnel should be doing it. If it is not essential, no one does it.
MADem
(135,425 posts)doing essentially the same work, military people alone can and will do it. They won't say "Oh, gee, Fred was usually responsible for the letters G through J, so none of the stuff for those folks will get processed."
In the Pentagon, and even in other military establishments (example: personnel or disbursing offices) there's a lot of mixing of civillian and military personnel--often the work is bounced from one to the other.
brush
(53,784 posts)This sounds like a shit-stirring post because you can't be serious. Put your a ss on the line facing live rounds and see if you still think so.
If you want to include people not getting paid include those do nothings in Congress especially the repug teabaggers who forced this.
daybranch
(1,309 posts)I remember when the military was the service and the common belief was we in the service were no better than our civilian brothers and sisters. I resent the attitude today that our soldiers are sacrosanct. It is too often just a cover to hide misdeeds of our leadership both in and outside the military. No soldier should ever be considered above his civilian brothers. Both republicans and democrats have gone off the deep end in acting as if they have such respect for soldiers and then not standing up for them when they are civilians in need. I say if we spread the pain, we will hasten the solution. In the bigger scheme of things the paying of the military in a shutdown is a political ploy. Most soldiers are not mission essential ayt this point and therefore no more needed than civilians who in most cases are performing a more timely function. There is no way that the rank and file soldier is more necessary than the school teacher, the policeman, the firefighters, the tax collector at IRS , the auditor at the General Accounting Office, or the researchers at the National Institute of Health. The primary occupation of the soldier is prepare and wait. That is nderstandably what they do most of the time. if they are not overseas fighting they prepare to fight for a period of time each month but most their time is just waiting. If you compare the contribution to oiur country of the soldier at most points to those of a postal worker, a TSA agent, or a truck driver ,it is hard to grasp how we can even say their contributions are more valuable. Lets get away from the self glorification and or delusional myths. I know this willl upset many but we need to see the truth tom serve all our people best.
Wounded Bear
(58,662 posts)but not for rank and file.
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)No FAA, no TSA, no CBP, no FBI, no ATF, send them all home no pay
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)That way no one will monitor our phone calls. Its' like getting a free pass.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)Congress should NOT be paid.
karynnj
(59,503 posts)Frankly, I don't think that, in addition to all they have to deal with, they should have to worry that their families have the money they deserve and need.
I don't think anyone should go unpaid, but their is a difference here.
whistler162
(11,155 posts)but not beyond the first three words! A accurate statement of your mental use.
SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Those that make decisions should pay for their decisions.
Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)It would be over tomorrow.