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Senate race between crazy ass Lonegan and Booker CLOSER than expected (Original Post) bigdarryl Sep 2013 OP
Oh shit that's not good gopiscrap Sep 2013 #1
Nothing JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #3
ok that makes me feel better gopiscrap Sep 2013 #8
I just mailed my absentee ballot request today tabbycat31 Sep 2013 #12
Pallone was my pick, too. My father and brother lived in Jersey for nearly 30 years. They both moved Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #16
I'm still not worried JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #2
Never underestimate the RFOWB Syndrome...Runnng For Office While Black...no matter how popular the libdem4life Sep 2013 #4
I was going to say this, but for some time now, I've been accused of being "overly sensitive" Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #15
I take exception to one quote here: Pab Sungenis Sep 2013 #5
How is Booker "conservative" Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2013 #6
"Moderate" is code word for conservative Pab Sungenis Sep 2013 #7
He's very very JustAnotherGen Sep 2013 #9
I hate to argue that polls have problems, but Quinnipiac karynnj Sep 2013 #10
They also had Florio ahead of Whitman on the last two days before election bigdarryl Sep 2013 #11
Two other polls that came out in the past few days of Booker ahead by 20-30 points. Dawson Leery Sep 2013 #13
Jesus Christ. What's going on in New Jersey? Liberal_Stalwart71 Sep 2013 #14

JustAnotherGen

(31,917 posts)
3. Nothing
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:50 AM
Sep 2013

But I suspect there are still some folks that haven't gotten over Pallone or Holt being the nominee that might not be showing the enthusiasm that the rest of America has for Booker. At the end of the day - every single one of them is going to go out and vote for Booker (Myself included - Pallone was my pick).

tabbycat31

(6,336 posts)
12. I just mailed my absentee ballot request today
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:56 PM
Sep 2013

Been so busy at work lately, I don't want to let that fall by the wayside.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
16. Pallone was my pick, too. My father and brother lived in Jersey for nearly 30 years. They both moved
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 12:10 AM
Sep 2013

from there back to Atlanta where we're all originally from. They all view Cory as an opportunist. I like him, but I just can't get over when he defended Mitt Romney and Bain Capital. There simply was no excuse for that. None at all.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
4. Never underestimate the RFOWB Syndrome...Runnng For Office While Black...no matter how popular the
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 10:57 AM
Sep 2013

candidate, in addition to the overt ones, there are still those regardless of even a well-meaning public position and/or polling answers who, behind the cover of the voting booth, revert to inbred fears.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
15. I was going to say this, but for some time now, I've been accused of being "overly sensitive"
Wed Sep 25, 2013, 12:09 AM
Sep 2013

when it comes to race issues, so I'm glad you said it so I didn't have to. Thanks!

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
5. I take exception to one quote here:
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:10 AM
Sep 2013
“If it's not a blow-out, it still looks like a comfortable lead for Booker,” he said. “New Jersey is a blue state and it hasn’t elected a Republican senator – let alone a conservative one – since Sen. Clifford Case in 1972.”


New Jersey hasn't elected a Republican Senator since Case, but we have elected conservative Senators: Corzine and Menendez. And we're going to elect a conservative next month named Cory Booker.

The choice the past couple elections hasn't been liberal vs. conservative, it's been conservative vs. batshit, and we have no choice but to elect the conservative.

What has become of my party?

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,438 posts)
6. How is Booker "conservative"
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 11:46 AM
Sep 2013

On the economic front, he seems like a "moderate" (not much different than many current Senate Dems) but his position on social issues seem progressive/liberal.

 

Pab Sungenis

(9,612 posts)
7. "Moderate" is code word for conservative
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:02 PM
Sep 2013

since the word "conservative" has been co-opted by the batshit insane.

His economic policy is conservative corporatist, as is Menendez, as was Corzine.

The only saving grace is he's not as far right as Lonegan.

We need to take our party back from these "moderates."

JustAnotherGen

(31,917 posts)
9. He's very very
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:15 PM
Sep 2013

Wall Streety and Corporation Like and I personally felt he wouldn't be as focused on the middle and more important - blue collar/working class. I don't think he has one iota of insight into the type of business my husband runs - and those in our circle of friends. Not pro union and I don't trust him with Public Educaiton. But at the end of the day he will vote for a pro-choice SCOTUS nominee so you hold your nose there . . . and press the button there.

ETA - a strong indicator is that NYC area is all agog over him . . . .Lots of money coming from NY for this candidate.

karynnj

(59,505 posts)
10. I hate to argue that polls have problems, but Quinnipiac
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 12:19 PM
Sep 2013

which is credible in most places, has long been an outlier in NJ. They showed Bush/Kerry close - when it never was. In 2005, it showed Corzine/Forrester (I think) a toss up - instead it was a pretty big win. They actually showed Kean Jr ahead of Menendez - when Menendez was never behind in internal polls. I have - in all those years - never seen a NJ state wide race where Quinnipiac over-estimated the Democrats. That means there likely is a systemic bias caused by their model.

They are a very competent company, but there has to be something wrong in their NJ likely voter model. It could be as simple as ignoring that the Democrats in the big cities have a very good GOTV - and the Republicans are less good. Their model - looking just at the voters - might eliminate too many of the iffier Democrats.

At any rate, this is a 12 % difference. That does not mean that it should not be contested as if we were down.

Dawson Leery

(19,348 posts)
13. Two other polls that came out in the past few days of Booker ahead by 20-30 points.
Tue Sep 24, 2013, 03:00 PM
Sep 2013

We need input from PPP and Nate Silver.

I would still be suprised if Lonegan won. Lonegan belongs in a dark red rural teakook district.

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