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Stargazer99

(2,599 posts)
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 02:47 PM Jun 2013

Why I no longer pledge allegience

Exposure to radiation from Hanford Atomic site (Born in Pasco WA 1940) when the government released radiation, yes I had thyroid problems ( a common problem to radiation exposure)

2 generations of dental problems-employment was not enough to pay for rent, food, etc and doctor or dental work. My heart aches for my 2 girls that have had to have false teeth due to lack of money to care for them. And one dentist that took welfare patients told my grandson that his teeth were so bad that he might as well not continue dental care. So much for the quality of care for poor people.

Lost an inheritance because I could not afford to hire a lawyer to keep my Uncle's family from manipulating the Uncle into cutting me out of the will (my aunt was married to him and had to set up the will in case he became ill he would have access to the assets)-again work did not provide enough funds to hire a lawyer to protect my interest.

After a divorce I had to rely on welfare and go to work with no transportation or decent child care half the time. Cars and good childcare take money that you don't earn on a lower class income.

Retirement is a laugh, I work two jobs at 70 yrs of age so there is a roof over the head, retirement is for middleclass people not the lower income crowd.

If I had lived in developed Europe I would not have faced these life situations without help, why should I honor this nation?
I still don't know what to do with my anger, and I imagine many others have been shafted also

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Why I no longer pledge allegience (Original Post) Stargazer99 Jun 2013 OP
sorry to hear about your problems. DesertFlower Jun 2013 #1
thank you for sharing Stargazer99 Jun 2013 #3
Disabled Gulf War vet here. I feel your pain. Rozlee Jun 2013 #2
thank you for responding Stargazer99 Jun 2013 #4

DesertFlower

(11,649 posts)
1. sorry to hear about your problems.
Fri Jun 14, 2013, 04:42 PM
Jun 2013

my mom was born in 1923 -- 1 of seven children. she resented my grandfather because they couldn't afford dental work. when she passed she only had 4 or 5 teeth in her mouth. i was born in '41. my parents had 3 children and then divorced when i was 15. we didn't have a lot of money, but i only went to the dentist when i had a tooth ache. of course, by that time the tooth had to be extracted. i resented my mom because she thought it was more important to come up with $150 a year tuition for catholic school. it's like she should have known better when she had a bad experience herself. even when i married my first husband there wasn't enough money for dental work. fortunately later in life i was able to afford dental work. i had a lot of root canals and crowns, but even after a root canal teeth can decay. right now i have 10 implants in my mouth.

i became disabled in '89 and had to stop working. fortunately my late husband had a good job with IBM and we were able to make it. it was tough in the beginning because we had always depended on my salary. i made pretty good money when i worked so when my ss disability came through it made things a little easier. also hubby kept getting promoted. he was very smart and a hard worker. we realized the american dream -- not a lot of people do anymore. unfortunately he passed last year from a brain tumor. i don't have financial problems, but my health is poor and i lost my soul mate.

i hope things pick up for you.

Stargazer99

(2,599 posts)
3. thank you for sharing
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 11:41 AM
Jun 2013

at least you had some luck in getting some dental care (root canal, etc) there is no hope for this concerning my grandson as he also cannot attend college in hopes of getting a better job.
At times I feel like I am the only one bucking the system with my hands tied behind my back, thank you

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
2. Disabled Gulf War vet here. I feel your pain.
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 10:52 AM
Jun 2013

I signed up to fight all enemies, foreign and domestic, not be a mercenary for the oil companies and defense contractors who have taken over my country. I have a long relationship with saying the Pledge of Allegiance.

I remember when I was a little girl in grade school in rural Texas, a new family moved into town; they were Jehovah's Witnesses. At that time, in our small town, the lines of religion were strictly regimented. The majority whites were either Baptist or less commonly, Catholic. The very few African-Americans had their own black church. We Mexican-Americans attended Church with the grudging white Catholics. All of us looked in disfavor at the new family whose five children were enrolled in elementary to middle school.

We were shocked when the kids refused to stand for the Pledge. The teachers had been told by the family of the religion's proscription to what they considered idolatry and the family's adherence to it. That didn't stop the faculty from condemning them. They'd say to the children's faces that there was nothing wrong in showing pride in country. It was during the Cold War and were they commies or something? The children were made to feel like outcasts and the rest of the class was actually encouraged in belittling them and bullying them. Away from school, the family was the talk of the town and many businesses were cold and rude to them. I'm ashamed to say that even I and my family weren't tolerant of the new arrivals. But, time passed and the novelty wore off. After a couple of years, they were integrated into the community even if they weren't exactly accepted warmly into it. But, as I grew and religion and politics became important to me, I saw the cruelty and viciousness that the family had to go through. I'm an atheist now and have no particular love for Jehovah's Witnesses, but seen objectively, I have to admire the courage they showed in braving ridicule and censure during a time when patriotism and nationalism was a religion in it's own right and those who didn't toe the line in observing it were treated like pariahs.

In this day and age, it always seems to me that those that scream the loudest about flag and country are those that have never had to suffer for it. A flag is a symbol and no symbol should be treated like it's more sacred than the country it's flown over or the people that created it, the cause it stands for or the Constitution it represents. But, so many have imbued the flag with a meaning of their own that exists outside of that paradigm. They instill the flag with their own version of patriotism, whether that patriotism includes racism, class inequality, endless warfare or religious persecution. To so many people, the flag is like God. It signifies what their image of America should be.

You're entitled to your anger. But, really, it's not the nation's fault but those that have taken the reins of it. The corporations like oil companies and the defense industry. The lobbyists and the rest of the plutocracy that has stolen the wealth of the people and concentrated it in the hands of the few. They have their own version of the meaning of the flag. And it's one that flies over the land of opportunity for the rich and the home of the avaricious and greedy.

Stargazer99

(2,599 posts)
4. thank you for responding
Sat Jun 15, 2013, 12:05 PM
Jun 2013

You "hit the nail on the head" in your reply. I cannot understand why the common man just stands by and lets this happen. This nation's god is wealth and I feel it will destroy this nation eventually. The Good Book tells us not to worship mammon for a good reason, but man is not honest with himself, rationalization it is called. I just wish I didn't have to have my children hurt by lack in their lives.
Of myself, I am still pursuing the enitity called Jehovah and trying to understand what I've been taught. To throw out that which doesn't make sense and trying to reach a better understanding not of religion but personal experience with the energy called Jehovah. I've been interested in astronomy since 11 yrs old and this has taught me the wonders of creation, hence my religious view
What is suprising to me as I look at athiest is that they are more often more humane and compassionate than those who claim to be religious.
Yes, I do get odd looks when I do not stand for the pledge in events, but I will not honor this nation.
I see the lower and middle income men/women in the service while the monied never face the front lines of war. Romney made me sick when asked why his boys were not in the service and his reply was that his boys were serving this country by being part of his campaign for president, is the common man so dumb that he cannot put two and two together?
Our service people maimed and emotionally scared have to wait to receive care (if they get it) from their government (I live near Fort Lewis/McChord Air) just enrages me. Seems as soon as they are used up they are disposed of like Kleenex.
I often wonder, when will the common man finally get enough and when he does what will happen.

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