2016 Postmortem
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Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Blue Owl
(50,360 posts)More of a coffee guy myself.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)If its just another Blue Dog DINO "New Democrat" who will vote for more Anti-LABOR "Free Trade" and Corporate Friendly "regulation", Oh Well.
The Democratic Primary for this challenge should be very interesting,
and well worth the fight for Progressives if we can manage a WIN for a REAL Democrat, like Keith Ellison (next door to Bachmann's district).
corkhead
(6,119 posts)great minds think alike
I am done wasting my time and money on centrists that would have been Republicons in Nixon's era. From now on I am putting my resources where they will work to elect those who truly share my views. I am sick of this "third way" shit.
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)I agree they're a PITA. However, if that's what it takes to beat Bachmann, I'll gladly accept it.
If we can get Progessives in all the solidly blue Congressional Districts, then the Party can absorb several DINOs in purple or red districts and still be in a pretty good postion to uphold core tenets.
Its a far better position than having purity tests that erode the party into irrelevence.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)I am not sure who is more short sighted; puritans or one-issue voters.
Julie
bvar22
(39,909 posts)...and an election strategy that has brought us a 30 year decline in the Party that used to represent the Working Class.
I'm not advocating voting AGAINST the Democrat,
but I'm going to use my time and money more wisely,
and direct my resources to ONLY those politicians who
will not work AGAINST my own economic interests.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)But I live in a county that was gerrymandered onto a 31+ county monstrosity of a CD. It includes MI's Upper Peninsula which leans liberal in some ways but conservative in other ways. Enough of the counties are red to make it lean R. No seriously left liberal could win this district, a centrist Dem barely lost it the R incumbent.
I voted for the Dem because I know him well enough to know we agree on very many things & disagree on few. I agreed with the R on nothing, of course.
Sadly it falls to our strongly blue states/CD's to get the strong lefties elected. If Dems could achieve majorities and hold them through 2020 perhaps it would be a blue pen drawing up the CD's next time. What a refreshing change that would be from the sea of red these things seem to be too much of the time.
Then of course there is the benefit of having a majority that, on average, agree with me over 80% of the time in power instead of the people I agree with about 0% of the time.
To address the other part of your post regarding where you direct your resources and being selective about it, I don't really have a problem with that as few of us can make unlimited donations to political campaigns. Still, in general elections I would contribute to a candidate on my ballot that I am not 100% on if their opponent is awful (and they usually are, lots of tea-baggers in these parts).
I do what I can while trying to take the long view. I consider it my wisest approach.
Julie
bvar22
(39,909 posts)running on a platform of Economic Justice for Working Americans,
with Party Support can get elected anywhere.
It is a myth (created by Big Business Conservatives) that we must become Republicans in order to beat Republicans.
We've Done THAT for 30 years, and look where that got us!
The vast majority of Americans agree with traditional Democratic Party Issues.
It is past time that we started acting like DEMOCRATS.
"I've seen it happen time after time. When the Democratic candidate allows himself to be put on the defensive and starts apologizing for the New Deal and the Fair Deal, and says he really doesn't believe in them, he is sure to lose. The people don't want a phony Democrat. If it's a choice between a genuine Republican, and a Republican in Democratic clothing, the people will choose the genuine article, every time; that is, they will take a Republican before they will a phony Democrat, and I don't want any phony Democratic candidates in this campaign."
---President Harry Truman
[font size=4]Leadership! "The Buck Stops HERE!" NO Excuses![/font]
[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
"By their WORKS you will know them."
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Just out of curiosity, how many liberal campaigns have you run in blood red districts?
Julie
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Unfortunately, the DCCC, the DSCC, the DNC, and the conservative, Big Business Party Establishment make sure that no Charismatic Populist makes it beyond the Democratic Primaries.
My latest involvement was in the Arkansas Democratic Primary, 2010.
White House rescues DINO Blanche Lincoln's failing Primary Campaign in Arkansas
Ordinarily, when Party leaders support horrible incumbents in primaries, they use the electability excuse: this is a conservative state, the incumbent has the best chance to win, and the progressive challenger is out-of-step with voters. That excuse is clearly unavailable here. As Public Policy Polling explained yesterday, Lincoln has virtually no chance of winning in November against GOP challenger John Boozman. And while it would have also been difficult for Halter to beat Boozman, polls consistently showed that he had a better chance than Lincoln did. Thats unsurprising, given how much better non-Washington candidates are doing in this incumbent-hating climate than long-term Washington insiders. And its rather difficult to claim that Halter is out-of-step with Arkansas given that they elected him their Lt. Governor. Whatever the reasons Washington Democrats had for supporting the deeply unpopular Lincoln, it had nothing whatsoever to do with electability.
What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse weve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesnt have 60 votes to pass good legislation, its not Obamas fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face. Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you dont support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but well support a primary challenger against you. Obamas support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"
<much more>
http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/
I was involved in Halter's Primary Challenge.
It was actually WORSE on the ground in Arkansas than the article suggests.
Can you imagine having to watch Obama's Oval Office Endorsement of
The Woman who Wrecked the Public Option played 24/7 on local TV?
The Grass Roots and Organized LABOR NEVER expected a Beat Down from the White House when we were doing EXACTLY what the White House had asked us to do, give Obama reps who will work with him.
One thing about us Union Thugs:
We make occasionally have to take an ass kicking,
but we NEVER forget a Sucker Punch.
Before Arkansas, I was involved in Democratic Primaries in Minnesota
burning shoe leather for a grassroots progressive against the Establishment[ choice.
We got to meet Rahm's Thugs.
DCCC King Making?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=160&topic_id=14207
I have been a Democrat TOO LONG to buy that nonsense that we have to become Republicans in order to beat Republicans. The problem good progressive have are NOT in General Elections, but in Democratic Primaries where local sources can be easily beat down by the national party.
The DCCC, DSCC, DNC, The White House, or ANY National democratic party Organization have absolutely NO BUSINESS interfering with local Democratic Primaries.
When the DO, the purpose is ALWAYS to subvert Democracy.
I am ALL FIRED UP....for the Democratic Primaries 2014,
but I'm going to be VERY selective about where and to whom my time and money goes. I will no longer waste my time or money supporting ANYONE who works against my Pro-LABOR Working Class ass.
[font color=firebrick][center]"There are forces within the Democratic Party who want us to sound like kinder, gentler Republicans.
I want a party that will STAND UP for Working Americans."
---Paul Wellstone [/font][/center]
[center][/font]
[font size=1]photo by bvar22
Shortly before Sen Wellstone was killed[/center][/font]
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)People need to think. There's no point in nominating a very liberal candidate in a purple or red cd. Thats just cutting off our nose to spite our face. Nominate solidly liberal candidates in blue districts were they can win the GE. In the more conservative districts, we just have to accept candidates who we have 80% agreement with...thats still much better than an R who we have 0% agreement with.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)but a charismatic Populist like Huey Long
running on a platform of Economic Justice for Working Americans?
That person can win anywhere.
The biggest problem is getting these real Democrats through the Democratic Primaries, where the Party Establishment dictates who runs in the General Election.
White House rescues DINO Blanche Lincoln's failing Primary Camapign, Arkansas, 2010
Ordinarily, when Party leaders support horrible incumbents in primaries, they use the electability excuse: this is a conservative state, the incumbent has the best chance to win, and the progressive challenger is out-of-step with voters. That excuse is clearly unavailable here. As Public Policy Polling explained yesterday, Lincoln has virtually no chance of winning in November against GOP challenger John Boozman. And while it would have also been difficult for Halter to beat Boozman, polls consistently showed that he had a better chance than Lincoln did. Thats unsurprising, given how much better non-Washington candidates are doing in this incumbent-hating climate than long-term Washington insiders. And its rather difficult to claim that Halter is out-of-step with Arkansas given that they elected him their Lt. Governor. Whatever the reasons Washington Democrats had for supporting the deeply unpopular Lincoln, it had nothing whatsoever to do with electability.
What happened in this race also gives the lie to the insufferable excuse weve been hearing for the last 18 months from countless Obama defenders: namely, if the Senate doesnt have 60 votes to pass good legislation, its not Obamas fault because he has no leverage over these conservative Senators. It was always obvious what an absurd joke that claim was; the very idea of The Impotent, Helpless President, presiding over a vast government and party apparatus, was laughable. But now, in light of Arkansas, nobody should ever be willing to utter that again with a straight face. Back when Lincoln was threatening to filibuster health care if it included a public option, the White House could obviously have said to her: if you dont support a public option, not only will we not support your re-election bid, but well support a primary challenger against you. Obamas support for Lincoln did not merely help; it was arguably decisive, as The Washington Post documented today:"
<much more>
http://www.salon.com/2010/06/10/lincoln_6/
Response to RBInMaine (Reply #20)
bvar22 This message was self-deleted by its author.
leftyohiolib
(5,917 posts)causes - if you need a cell look em up
mimi85
(1,805 posts)uses Sprint which they conveniently leave out of their big bad companies like AT&T and Verizon.
corkhead
(6,119 posts)jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)CREDO SuperPAC will close the gap with a sustained, volunteer-based grassroots campaign. Make a donation to Beat Bachmann now.
I'm with you in spirit coyotl, but not with the wallet; this election is about 18 months away, bachman could decide not to run, or be forced not to due to some gaffe etc, & how would I go about getting a refund? HA.
I'm surprised credo is starting already on this .. erk, belay my last, not surprised.
Further, I'm like 1200 miles away, so far removed and if that many in that district elected the bimbo they deserve her & her screechy rebel yell.
Charter member of the RKBA club (no not that rkba, Rightwing Kinky Bi*ches of America), along with sarah america, michelle malkin, anne coulter, sharon angle & a few others.
To give to all these out of state campaigns would soon put a lot of us on the rec'g end of a lot of welfare programs. A cash cow I try not to be.
Maybe around late summer 2014, know what I mean? but that's a weak maybe, I got my own candidates to support & oppose...
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)jeremyfive
(491 posts)Particularly with the sham "gay, go away" clinic she operates with husband Marcus.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)"And what a bizarre time we're in, when a judge will say to little children that you can't say the pledge of allegiance, but you must learn that homosexuality is normal and you should try it." -- Michele Bachmann
On another topic:
guajiropa
(5 posts)Well, my stomache anyways . . . . . .
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)The Wizard
(12,545 posts)Republican caucus, and she should be the one we want to frame as the face, voice and conscience of the average Republican. She's a nut, and that works in favor of Democrats.