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As I understand it, North Dakota has passed the strictest abortion limits this side of the Islamic Countries of the Middle East. Isn't this dangerously close to passing Sharia Law in the U.S.?
lastlib
(23,266 posts)talkingmime
(2,173 posts)Obviously they couldn't possibly see the irony.
Trascoli
(194 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)Sharia law is a little more complex than people in the US have been led to believe by the right and the media. I read quite a bit on it for my International Business Law class a few months ago and was actually intrigued by it. At one point I had to write a paper on a type of legal system and that was the one I chose because it was so interesting and different.
RudynJack
(1,044 posts)How is it Sharia law?
cali
(114,904 posts)and it bears some resemblance to fundamentalism elsewhere in the world, but it's a misunderstanding to claim it's close to passing Sharia Law.
Thankfully, it will be struck down.
TeamPooka
(24,242 posts)OUR restrictive religious rules are fine.
THEIR restrictive religious rules are evil.
Props to Ben Franklin for the analogy.
Starkiller228
(54 posts)What would stop a pregnant girl in ND to go to another state, like South Dakota, and get an abortion? Failures of state laws at its finest.
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Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)uppityperson
(115,678 posts)uppityperson
(115,678 posts)ND is 210 miles tall, 340 wide.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/abortions-800-miles-north-dakotas-clinic-close/story?id=18823150
Educate yourself.
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uppityperson
(115,678 posts)You wrote "What would stop a pregnant girl in ND to go to another state"? Time. Money. Transportation. Having only 1 abortion provider in a state is a very limiting thing and having other laws made to make it more difficult also limits access. Saying it's no big deal is wrong as it IS a big deal and it is good if you can educate yourself about what the big deal is.
Tell me how you feel about abortions, please. Should women or girls have a right to them? When? With what limitations?
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cyberswede
(26,117 posts)I don't think anyone is actually pro-abortion...
uppityperson
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uppityperson
(115,678 posts)"a waiting period" though. Please clarify, thanks.
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uppityperson
(115,678 posts)I think you mean early in the pregnancy "injection of chemicals into the mother to kill the fetus" is how abortions are done, is this right?
Not sure what you mean by "standard abortion in pulling the deadweight out" though.
Why should a pregnant woman need to wait a week (at the most) to check her condition? A pregnancy test takes minutes as does a pelvic exam. Why should she have to wait?
DU is a place to share thoughts, ideas, to learn, and to learn how to post well thought out things vs just fast statements. We appreciate your taking time to clarify.
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uppityperson
(115,678 posts)the embryo and then the fetus (renamed after 8 weeks). Later term abortions, after 16 weeks, may be by injections or D&E ( Dilation and evacuation).
http://www.plannedparenthood.org/health-topics/abortion-4260.asp
D&E dilation and evacuation is another kind of in-clinic abortion. D&E is usually performed later than 16 weeks after a woman's last period.
FWIW, I have been involved with women's health and reproductive health probably longer than you've been alive. I'm used to educating young people so have lots of info to give you. Assuming of course you are interested. Even if you are male, which I think I read you are, you should know these things as the decision can affect friends and family.
http://women.webmd.com/tc/abortion-topic-overview?page=2
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cyberswede
(26,117 posts)Or bus fare? Or can't find someone to watch her other kids?
There's a lot more to consider than you're imagining, I think.
uppityperson
(115,678 posts)peasy, what's the deal".
Furthermore, SD and MN have a mandated 24 hour waiting period between "counseling" and the abortion, adding at least 1 overnight stay. And mandated parental notification.
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cyberswede
(26,117 posts)And I think it's naive to believe they would.
I think that women would be put in the position if seeking illegal (and unsafe) abortions, just as they have since the beginning of time. There's absolutely no upside to making abortion illegal, federally or otherwise.
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Bernardo de La Paz
(49,032 posts)uppityperson
(115,678 posts)overnight stay or 2 trips. Since the drive is 4-12 hours each way, it takes a fair chunk of time and money.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)They all favor the life of the woman over the fetus, many make allowances for the woman's health, and hell, Saudi Arabia's only requirement is that the husband allow it. Tunisia has no restrictions on the procedure, nor does Bahrain. Islam considers abortion just another medical procedure, albeit a generally distateful one - even in nations with strict laws against it, abortion can be performed clandestinely - not "back alley," but simply unrecorded by the doctor.
Hardly the golden chalice of reproductive freedoms, sure, but still better than North Dakota. No, ND's going more like Haiti, Angola, or Lesotho on this one.
This is a christizn endeavor that looks like other christian endeavors. Can't use the Islam boogeyman on this one.