2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton 2016 Quinnipiac University poll: Clinton would win Fla. over Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio
Source: WPTV
Posted: 6:49 AM
Last Updated: 2 hours and 58 minutes ago
By: Maxim Alter
WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. -- If the 2016 presidential election were held today, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton would win Florida if she were to run against Gov. Jeb Bush or U.S. Sen. Marco Rubio, according to a new Quinnipiac University poll.
Clinton has double-digit leads over Bush and Rubio in an early look at the 2016 presidential election, the poll states.
Clinton leads Bush 51 40 percent and bested Sen. Rubio 52 41 percent in a poll of registered Florida voters.
By a 91 8 percent margin, Florida voters support universal background checks for gun purchases, Quinnipiac reports. The poll also showed voters in gun-owning households support universal background checks 88 11 percent.
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blm
(113,091 posts)When Keystone deal goes through she will be opposed in the primary and I will likely support another till the total of delegates make it impossible.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)If Obama signs it, blame Obama.
blm
(113,091 posts)of any decision Obama makes.
You certainly are obsessed with the prospect that the person most responsible for shaping and shepherding the deal in a way most positive for Keystone the last 4 years will be given the credit due her. You are obsessed with blaming those who trusted her to be an honest broker in her assessments and her reports delivered to the desk of the president. Are you afraid the president will trust, accept, and implement Hillary's assessments, Beacool? I am.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)You act like Obama is some innocent who can be swayed by other people. Whether he signs it or not, I'm sure that he's fully aware of all the implications of allowing the pipeline to go through.
And yes, you're obsessed with the topic, the OP is about a totally unrelated subject and you insert the pipeline deal for no apparent valid reason.
Whisp
(24,096 posts)Why it's either Obama's fault, or her husband's fault, or something! I've noticed that pattern for a while now and I guess you don't see how that is not helpful to Hillary at all. She should take full responsibility for her work like any honest broker should. You make her sound irresponsible and finger pointy.
This blaming Obama is not helping your cause, or hers, at all.
Tip of the day,
If you can't understand what you are reading, and who started the blame game, then stay out of it.
blm
(113,091 posts)It is as 'related' to the subject of her candidacy in 2016 as her unwavering support for Bush's military leadership on Iraq was for 2008.
You just can't stand it and are obsessed with stripping Hillary of all the credit for her 4 years of crafting positive outcomes for Keystone deal and putting those positive 'reports' in the president's IN box. I give her credit for the 4years of work she did to get the outcome she wanted - why won't you?
Beacool
(30,251 posts)I'm done with this conversation. It never leads anywhere.
Ciao.........
blm
(113,091 posts).
Anything Obama does that he doesn't like is Hillary's fault. He's obsessed.
Bill Clinton was the best President of my lifetime. Hillary Clinton was a fantastic Senator and superb Secretary of State. But some people are never satisfied.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)What can one say? It's a bad case of CDS.
blm
(113,091 posts)So far, despite her many admirers here, no one has been able to cobble together a meaningful list.
And I would say that though it was right of her as Sec of State to remind other leaders of nations that women's rights must be advanced, I did not agree with her position to expand the war in Afghanistan instead of limiting it to begin decreasing the footprint or the way she handled Syria which hadn't trusted her as an honest broker since she was a hawkish senator sided with the neocons pushing for expansion of the Iraq war to include Iran and Syria.
My vote goes to Hillary if she is the Dem nominee, but, until she is we have the right to oppose her every bit as much as she had the right to oppose us every time she sided with Bush.
Not going to engage you. You have a sick obsession with trashing the Clintons. I think it's insane, and I'm not going to indulge your need to argue about them.
blm
(113,091 posts)The many of us who would prefer someone else as the Dem nominee (though we'd all vote for her if she became the nominee) we're just obsessed and couldn't possibly be telling the truth, couldn't possibly be repeating facts as they happened, or couldn't possibly be interested in promoting real progress for this country instead of too-cautious centrism. Nope - we're all just obsessed with trashing Clinton for no reason whatsoever.
Yep. The standard reply of the 'backedintoacorner' crowd.
Beacool
(30,251 posts)If these polls hold up next year, I think that there will be pressure from some in the party to get her to run. We'll see.
davidpdx
(22,000 posts)The start of the next presidential election is still 2 1/2 years away. Who gives a fuck who's up in the polls. It's meaningless.
RudynJack
(1,044 posts)but it's not meaningless, either. The people who are deciding whether to run in 2016 care very much about statistics like this.