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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 09:03 AM Mar 2013

Democrats Not Shaking In Their Boots Over RNC Changes


As the RNC sets out to expand outreach, Democratic reaction boils down to “we’ll believe it when we see it.”

posted on March 18, 2013 at 9:15pm EDT

WASHINGTON, D.C. — The Republican Party says it's ready to change. But so far, Democrats aren't shaking in their boots.

On Monday, RNC chairman Reince Priebus rolled out his party's Growth and Opportunity Project plan, aimed at identifying the mistakes the GOP made in 2012 and fixing them before 2016.

The big idea is this: the RNC needs to build up the infrastructure and messaging to engage voters beyond the white, old and male. Democratic campaign professionals, who enjoyed great success among just about all the voting blocs that don't fit that description last year, don't sound too worried.

"The 'we need women and Hispanics to stop thinking we hate them' message belies a core set of policies that are hostile to these demographics and can't be papered over by some rhetorical reboot," said Kelly Steele, a longtime Democratic operative who helped Sen. Harry Reid win another term in 2010. "Look at the fact [Sen.] Marco Rubio didn't utter a single word about immigration at CPAC, and that its audience was openly hostile to any reform."

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http://www.buzzfeed.com/rubycramer/democrats-not-shaking-in-their-boots-over-rnc-changes
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get the red out

(13,467 posts)
1. If they "fix" anything
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 09:10 AM
Mar 2013

They will enrage their base. They are in a catch 22 situation. Anyone they suggest "reaching out to" is despised by their loyal voters. They absorbed Religious Right as a political action committee but who controls who? If they "reach out" to gay people how will the theocrats of the party react? If they "reach out" to Hispanic voters and soften up on immigration, or openly court African American voters then the Tea Party (KKK wing) gets angry.

No, Democrats aren't shaking in their boots.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
2. They have it backward
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 10:06 AM
Mar 2013

They think that stuff like the Todd Akin comments, or the 47% stuff happens because the voters "don't really know them". I've always said that the reason those kinds of comments are a problem is because they REINFORCE what voters already think about them. It is true for either side. The "Dean Scream" was a problem because it characterized a perception that many voters already had about him, that he was a fringe candidate with a fringe following. It works both ways. Voters WON'T react to information that is contrary to their perceptions. So Bush can be a drunk, and Sarah has a dysfunctional family, but it is spun to reinforce the voters perceptions, not change them.

The GOP has the reputation they have because of the totality of what voters know about them, especially women and hispanics. They aren't an "unknown".

I had a long conversation with a 'Pub a good decade ago explaining why they did so poorly with African Americans. It boiled down to the fact that he didn't want to listen to what they wanted, he wanted to tell them what they should want. He didn't understand why they didn't respond to being told that the GOP would serve them better than the democrats. He didn't understand why they didn't accept that despite the GOP being against all the positions that African Americans tended to hold. The GOP can do all the outreach they want. It is only going to reinforce the perceptions that people have.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
15. Your last paragraph is highly insightful
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 08:00 AM
Mar 2013

Last night Rachel Maddow showed Rand Paul doing just that when he was speaking to a Hispanic organization yesterday. She said he assumes that they're just like Republicans in their values because they go to church. He doesn't get that going to church doesn't automatically translate into gun loving, anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-women or anti-immigrant. And of course, she used all kinds of statistical studies to prove her point. Rand Paul was telling Latinos what they think, not asking them what they think.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
3. and then there was that workshop where the black speaker was confronted with the most awful
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 10:43 AM
Mar 2013

and shocking racism...that portion was played by Chris Matthews last night...where the white CPAC guy explained that white slaveholders in the the South actually "fed and housed" the slaves (I guess meaning the slaveholder was doing the slave a favor).

I was actually shocked by how "in yer face" that was to the black guy addressing the workshop.

With folks like these, they're stuck in a very bad "now" that they can't extricate themselves from. We shouldn't stop them from doing a perfectly fine job of destroying themselves...

NYC Liberal

(20,136 posts)
4. GOP thinks it has an image problem when it's really their policies.
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 12:48 PM
Mar 2013

They think if they can get some women or Hispanics to run, all will be well.

That won't do shit as long as those women and Hispanics are supporting the exact same right-wing policies as any of the GOP's rich old white men because people aren't stupid. McCain actually believed that Hillary voters would vote for him over Obama because he had a woman as his running mate.

Palin, Rubio, Bachmann, Herman Cain, Michael Steele, Jindal ... they all have the same nutty right-wing, anti-gay, anti-women policies.

union_maid

(3,502 posts)
5. For starters they might at least try to appear
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:10 PM
Mar 2013

reconciled to minorities' right to vote. I've heard voter supression can be very off-putting to the targeted demographics.

yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
6. As long as they have past and future candidates showing up at CPAC Democrats have
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 02:51 PM
Mar 2013

little to worry about. Lots of fodder there if any of those turkeys end up on the ticket in 2016.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,416 posts)
12. I'm not terribly worried
Tue Mar 19, 2013, 10:47 PM
Mar 2013

They can talk all they want and make it seem like they *care* but it will be harder than ever to paper over the fact that they, in all probabilities, will promote the exact same policies- In the states, they'll keep trying to rig the Electoral College in the states to make the Presidency more attainable (for them), implement new barriers to voting for college kids and minorities (anybody currently more likely to vote "D&quot , keep pushing the transvaginal/fetal personhood bills to keep the womenfolk in line, keep LGBTs from having full equality, keep on busting unions and public employees, keep on pushing for the drug testing of the poor and unemployed, hunting down illegal immigrants, etc. At the federal level, they'll keep on obstructing President Obama's nominees for........everything and keep filibustering anything that might help the average person and, while I doubt that they will succeed in repealing Obamacare root and branch, they and their Republican brethren in the states will keep throwing roadblock after roadblock in front of its eventual full implementation. I mean, why spend all the time and efforts to come up with an (allegedly) superior replacement for Obamacare and/or get the public to support repealing Obamacare when you can just nullify it? Why work to get the public on your side to repeal/change Dodd-Frank when it's easier to nullify it by refusing to allow President Obama to choose an eminently qualified and unobjectionable person to head the agency that oversees consumer financial protection, which, apparently, they have some huge problem with- their desire to reach middle class voters notwithstanding?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
14. When your right hand is reaching out to minorities and women
Wed Mar 20, 2013, 07:53 AM
Mar 2013

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while your left hand is working overtime disenfranchising, marginalizing and criminalizing them you ain't changing. We can all see you doing it.

Like Sharpton says, you're caught with the blueberry pie all over your face while lying about having eaten it.

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