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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:41 AM Jan 2013

Dear Liberals: Stop Complaining


by Michael Tomasky Jan 3, 2013 4:45 AM EST

Obama isn’t Captain Liberal. He’s the president. And liberal pundits who are up in arms about the fiscal-cliff deal seem not to recognize the difference. By Michael Tomasky.


Here’s my New Year’s resolution: I’m going to read less liberal grousing about Barack Obama. At the moment, we have a number of critics of the deal Obama just cut with the Republicans to avert the fiscal cliff. They make some fair points, about the deal and about Obama. But if there’s a style of criticism that really bugs me, it’s that which reproves him for failing to be Captain Liberal while refusing to recognize that the guy has to be Mister President. Here’s what I mean.

The standard liberal position in the run-up to the cliff deal, or at least a position taken by a number of prominent liberals, was that Obama should have let the country go over the cliff, because he’d immediately have more leverage after Jan. 1. Taxes would go up, the argument went, most of the country would blame the Republicans, and boomity-boomity-boom, they’d come crawling to Obama ready to sign a deal on his terms.

I will readily confess that the logic is, if not impeccable, only mildly peccable. The Republicans would have been over a barrel. Of course predicting what those people will do and how they’ll respond to any given situation is risky business, but presumably they would not have wanted to be blamed for middle-class tax rates going up, so they’d have done something vaguely rational.

I get it. But here’s what I think proponents of that argument don’t get. Obama isn’t some co-speaker. He’s the effing president. People want the president to lead. They may blame Republicans more than Democrats for obstruction, and that’s a good thing. But they still want the president to Get Things Done, and, however naively, they still think he ought to be able to just assert his will and Get Things Done.

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Dear Liberals: Stop Complaining (Original Post) DonViejo Jan 2013 OP
Dear centrists, stop complaining about liberals? AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #1
Great article One of the 99 Jan 2013 #2
The day I stop complaining is the day I stop voting. IDoMath Jan 2013 #3
I will never understand why some Democrats now consider liberalism 'far left' AgingAmerican Jan 2013 #4
Because these days it IS Far left and has been since 1988 IDoMath Jan 2013 #7
Exactly just like Labour in the UK and they still don't know what they stand for. craigmatic Jan 2013 #22
+1 forestpath Jan 2013 #8
I really like this article, especially BlueCaliDem Jan 2013 #5
The Daily Beast is a rightwing website. Norrin Radd Jan 2013 #6
No. Iggo Jan 2013 #9
Dumb article...progressive pressure is important for the legislative process alcibiades_mystery Jan 2013 #10
I believe the article said as much union_maid Jan 2013 #12
I don't think that was the writer's intent ... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #13
+1 octoberlib Jan 2013 #16
Great Article. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2013 #11
We still have a First Amendment in place, yes? Myrina Jan 2013 #14
fuck this shit. frylock Jan 2013 #15
+1 n/t IDoMath Jan 2013 #17
I won't stop complaining either. I will applaud him when he does good -- and he has done alot of Filibuster Harry Jan 2013 #18
More shit stirring. JoePhilly Jan 2013 #19
Stop paying attention! Herlong Jan 2013 #20
Without liberals the party is just in it for the power. If we don't have principles we aren't worthy craigmatic Jan 2013 #21
 

IDoMath

(404 posts)
3. The day I stop complaining is the day I stop voting.
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:45 AM
Jan 2013

So stop telling us to sit down and shut up. When we stop complaining we can expect the government to completely stop work for us.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
4. I will never understand why some Democrats now consider liberalism 'far left'
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:47 AM
Jan 2013

It is barely left of center.

 

IDoMath

(404 posts)
7. Because these days it IS Far left and has been since 1988
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:57 AM
Jan 2013

In 1988 Dukakis ran screaming from the 'L' word. Around 2004 Terry McAulife told democrats to avoid the 'L' word and, instead use the word 'progressive' thereby watering down the meaning.

The Republican party of 1956 is to the left of the DP of 2008. In our "rush to the center" we allowed the wingnuts of the right to pull us over the line.

When Paul Wellstone votes to approve the PATRIOT Act and no one will back Sen Byrd's call to "slow down" before rushing into Iraq, you know something is haywire. The RealPolitik side of the party is in control. That side has one goal - winning. They will sacrifice whatever they need to in order to win.

The brains maybe leading the party but the heart is being cut out.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
5. I really like this article, especially
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:50 AM
Jan 2013

where Michael writes, "Obama is not the leader of a movement - he's the leader of a country".

I wished more of the Professional Left understand this very true point.

and rec'd!

 

alcibiades_mystery

(36,437 posts)
10. Dumb article...progressive pressure is important for the legislative process
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:30 PM
Jan 2013

It is not only the right of the Left to complain mightily, it is our duty.

union_maid

(3,502 posts)
12. I believe the article said as much
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:34 PM
Jan 2013

In that it said that liberals should try to get the president to do liberal things as much as possible. It just is asking the far left to understand the difference between being president and being an advocate for one wing of one party.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
13. I don't think that was the writer's intent ...
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:36 PM
Jan 2013

that liberals/progressives not pressure/advocate for a liberal/progressive agenda; but rather, as you have said on these pages, that liberals/progressive must accept the reality that the President's primary role is governing ... and governing, in our system of government, with divided government, sometimes requires not getting everything your partisan base would like.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
14. We still have a First Amendment in place, yes?
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 12:59 PM
Jan 2013

So, no, I will NOT stop "complaining" -- for the sake of my country and the marginalized folks who've been trampled on by the 1% and the perpetual-corporate-apologists both in government and in the lobbying offices down the street.

Filibuster Harry

(666 posts)
18. I won't stop complaining either. I will applaud him when he does good -- and he has done alot of
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 06:00 PM
Jan 2013

that even while being obstructed by the Rs, but I will criticize when I think he deserves that. I don't know what either party's reaction would be if we were currently without a deal and over the cliff. I know both parties didn't want to go over it but it would have been interesting to see how much bargaining power the President would have with all those tax rates increasing especially the dividends tax on regular rates and the estate tax.

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
21. Without liberals the party is just in it for the power. If we don't have principles we aren't worthy
Thu Jan 3, 2013, 11:07 PM
Jan 2013

of winning elections. Have we learned nothing from Bill Clinton? He sacrificed principles for power and all the centrist half measures he passed didn't last 2 years after he left office. In fact the 2 most centrist acts he passed DADT was corrupted by the republicans and the repeal of Glass-Stegal caused this recession.

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