As Far As Russia Goes

[Exilednight]

What Russia did was not unique. They hacked the DNC and leaked some emails that were quite embarrassing to the party. One even cost DWS her job as DNC Chair.

To think we would not do the same is ignorance at best and intellectual dishonesty at worst.

With that being said, we as a country have interfered in foreign elections. We've actually gone as far as rigging them, or overthrowing governments and installing dictators that agree with us.


Our hands are not clean.

The DNC should have expected that their servers would attempt to be hacked. They didn't take that threat seriously. We payed the price.

[DURHAM D]

1. Seriously?

I guess you worked at the DNC?


No ?

[Exilednight]

2. Yes I have. And the DNC and I now work at CGI on

economic pilicy for emerging nations in South America.

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3. fact that the US does not have clean hands does not make it right-- it was still illegal activity

but what upsets me more is the stories portraying the emails in a misleading light-- they were used for anti-Democratic propaganda, and that is not right at all. The ramifications were too huge, and the worst is still to come with Trump-Pence, I have no doubt.

[Exilednight]

4. There's a lot of hypocrisy in that statement.

Do you know that we have actually rigged foreign elections, or forcefully removed democratically elected leaders?

How do you square that circle?

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5. I'm saying it's wrong no matter who does it, how is that hard to square?

Also, it's not like the people at the DNC were the ones interfering in elections overseas, and in general liberals are against that sort of thing. So it's not even like the DNC got what they deserved. Yes, they could have protected their email server better, so could a lot of places that also got hacked.

[Exilednight]

6. The Democratic Party isn't against it, per se'. Democratic

Presidents have approved such actions, including Bill Clinton.

[kentuck]

7. Got a link to that?

Not saying we don't believe you, but there is so much deceitful information going around.

[Exilednight]

8. I guess you don't remember Haiti.

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9. fair enough... so if you are connected to the DNC, how much of them do you think is corrupt?

I really don't know much about the organization frankly. How many people regular staff versus leadership and who really runs the show?

[Exilednight]

11. Who said anything about corruption?

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14. lots of people... though personally I never thought they were

so you think they are more incompetent then corrupt?

[Exilednight]

16. Look at how much of government Republicans control vs our party.

Incompetent is generous.

[Fast Walker 52]

19. so what is more accurate? Super incompetent? Extreme sellouts?

Secret Republicans?

[Exilednight]

20. it's a cbination of things. I, and I speak for myself here, do not

believe any of them are secret Republicans.

Are some sellouts? Yes. DWS's stance on payday loans would be my example.

Gross incompetence would be the biggest issue,

Cronyism, in my opinion, is the reason we are so incompetent. DWS was rewarded, after losing her position, by HTC with an honorary position within the campaign After the beating we took nationwide the past several elections, she should have been publicly fired and replaced with someone who is competent.

[BainsBane]

10. What if it's revealed that Russia interfered in the Democratic primary

and threw it to Hillary. Would you be so sanguine?

[Exilednight]

12. The only way Russia could "throw" a US election to one person or another is to actually hack voter

machines, which never happened.

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15. "never happened"? Do you mean Russian involvement or hacking more generally?

[Exilednight]

18. I mean exactly what I said. Voter machines were not hacked.

Anyone who believes this ranks up there with the black helicopter and alien abduction crowd.

Russia hacked an email server and published embarrassing emails. That's all they did. That's not throwing an election, that's exploiting the DNC.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. To think we would not do the same is ignorance at best and intellectual dishonesty at worst.

who is the we here?

we as in the US?

[Exilednight]

17. Yes,

[LeftInTX]

21. Sure our hands are not clean, but we also have a history of fighting back against foreign intrusion

Are we just gonna roll over like a dog for Russia? We sure as heck didn't during the cold war. Are we suddenly spineless?

And if Trump colluded with Russia to get himself elected then what?

[Exilednight]

22. It's not going to change anything.

Crying, screaming and complaining doesn't change reality. If we proved it, Trump either is pushed aside or steps aside and we still end up with a Republican president.

I honestly think Pence is a more dangerous man at the helm than Trump. Trump is a one term president, Pence could actually be a two termer.