FREE TIME? Jill Stein needs help with info on deadlines to file for recounts in ADDITIONAL STATES

[flamingdem]

Dr. Jill Stein Verified account ?@DrJillStein 2h2 hours ago

I will do a recount in any state where the deadline has not passed. Help my staff find state deadlines: http://ceimn.org #Recount2016

HERE IS THE CONTACT PAGE:
http://ceimn.org/contact_us

OR CALL OR EMAIL THEM DIRECTLY:

Citizens for Election Integrity - MN
2323 E. Franklin Ave.
Minneapolis, MN 55406

[e-mail]

612-724-1736


Her twitter account:
https://twitter.com/DrJillStein

[Glassunion]

1. Who would have thought a month ago that DU would be promoting fund raising

For Jill and the Green Party?

Like moths to a flame.

[flamingdem]

2. Hillary has joined her effort so this is for all of us

Not just Jill. Agree she hasn't been fair but if this works..

[oberliner]

3. No she hasn't

She is participating in the recount but is most definitely not encouraging people to give money to Jill friggen Stein.

[saltpoint]

8. The Clinton team have been investigating

reports and dedicating time and teamwork toward that end.

They are paying their attorneys to participate in the recount. That's waist-deep, by any measure.

They're in, and have said so, and are paying lawyers accordingly.

[oberliner]

9. They said that their investigations haven't turned up much

They are certainly participating in the recount, but they are not encouraging people to donate to the Green Party.

[saltpoint]

11. You are pretending that this is about donations

to the recount effort.

It is not. The quotations below are from Marc Elias, attorney for the Clinton team regarding the recount effort(s).

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-recount_us_5839ad95e4b09b605600a69b

“Since the day after the election we have had lawyers and data scientists and analysts combing over the results to spot anomalies that would suggest a hacked result. These have included analysts both from within the campaign and outside, with backgrounds in politics, technology and academia.”

“We believe we have an obligation to the more than 64 million Americans who cast ballots for Hillary Clinton to participate in ongoing proceedings to ensure that an accurate vote count will be reported.

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[oberliner]

16. It is about donations to Jill Stein

That is the only component of this that I have an objection to.

[saltpoint]

18. I believe the demonstrable appetite for a recount

in at least a couple states eclipses anyone's personal objection to Jill Stein.

Stein is well within rights to pursue this. The Clinton legal team is on board.

[oberliner]

19. I hope she accounts for her spending

And that any funds raised that are not needed for the recount effort do not end up in the Green Party coffers as I fear they will be.

[saltpoint]

22. Stein is beholden to the same laws surrounding

taxes and income and finances as everyone else. She may be under especial scrutiny as part of a political organization.

But no one has any evidence to my knowledge that she is stealing money or pocketing it for her party. If such evidence exists, I have not seen it reported.

[oberliner]

24. She has said she would use surplus funds to "promote fairer voting systems"

That seems really vague.

I am not sure that there is anything preventing her from keeping the surplus money for the Green Party and claiming that the party itself promotes those goals.

[saltpoint]

25. Many voters would like as accurate a vote

count of the election as can be had.

A recount would go a long way toward that end.

It costs money. Stein has raised an impressive sum. No laws have been broken.

[oberliner]

26. I am confident she won't break any laws

However it seems to me that she is taking advantage of Democrats - i.e. taking their money - in order to raise money for the Green Party under the guise of pursuing something noble.

Yes, she will spend some money on a recount. But she will also have extra money that she will (legally) keep in the Green Party coffers and has now expanded her mailing list for future elections manifold.

It just seems like she very much took advantage of this situation to benefit herself and her party, a party which is virulently opposed to HRC in particular and Democrats in general.

An example to demonstrate the shadiness of this effort: The initial fundraising website estimated lawyer costs at under a million dollars. That quickly changed to 2-3 million dollars. Her new goal is the top of the range of the most recent estimate (which is triple the original estimate).

[saltpoint]

27. A crafty screen writer might ask you,

"How do you know the initiative was Stein's and not, secretly, that of the Clinton legal team?"

If you have evidence that Jill Stein is taking "advantage of this situation to benefit herself and her party," then give us that source and we'll take a look at it.

Meanwhile, everything is within bounds and hunky-dory on this recount. Not least, Clinton's paid legal team has joined the effort.

[oberliner]

29. I would be happy to be completely wrong about everything I am supposing

Right now, I believe there is reason to be suspicious of Jill Stein and her motives.

If I may quote Nate Silver,

Nate Silver ?@NateSilver538 Nov 25
Not saying this Jill Stein thing is a scam, but if it were a scam, it would probably look a lot like this.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538

[saltpoint]

30. And it could turn out to

be, but you have no evidence of that, and neither does Nate Silver.

Accountants and lawyers can be deployed in the event of post-recount financial skullduggery.

Look for now at the appetite for an accurate vote count. That's the headline story here, IMO.

[oberliner]

32. Like many here, I worked extremely hard to try to get HRC elected president

Jill Stein was on the opposite team and did everything she could do to prevent Hillary from winning.

It's hard to stomach the idea of turning around and giving her money after all of that. Especially considering the fact that she is continuing to harangue Hillary and shows absolutely no remorse for her actions.

[saltpoint]

33. Hillary Clinton's legal team has

joined the recount effort, oberliner.

Clinton's team is on board with the recount and have publicly stated their support for an accurate vote count.

[oberliner]

35. It wouldn't make sense for them not to be at this point

It is definitely the right thing to do at this point for the HRC team.

[politicaljunkie41910]

31. Well since you can't get a recount without paying for it, than donations were in order.

Stein took the initiative being up against a filing deadline for the recount. Your objection is noted. Now move along. For those who didn't donate, I don't understand why you have an objection. Those of us who did donate, spoke with our pocketbook. If we're fools for doing so, that's our loss. If the recount identifies election fraud irregularites, evidence of tampering, or results in changes to the final vote counts in Clinton's favor, than it was money well spent.

[oberliner]

34. Jill Stein took advantage of the situation

That is what makes me angry. People have made good points and I appreciate the conversation, but I still feel like Democrats are being played by someone who has been against us from day one.

[saltpoint]

36. IMO a shrewd political advisor would

not urge Hillary Clinton to initiate the recount proceedings in Wisconsin, Michigan, or Pennsylvania, or in any other state, but somehow have her legal team prompt a formal gesture through another participant party -- in this case the Greens -- to initiate the action.

A degree or two of separation is better cover than to expose one's flanks to a 'sore loser' charge from the Trump troglodytes.

It would be smart politics. It would be good advice. It may not overturn any results, but many people want these recounts to proceed.

[oberliner]

37. It's an interesting theory

Definitely worth considering.

[saltpoint]

38. I could see a private chat in a DC-area hotel,

possibly in Bethesda, for example, led by Pedestal.

Mook and Abedin are there, one speechwriter, and a strangely well-represented cadre of HRC's attorneys.

Someone brings in coffee. The conversation drops away. The coffee guy leaves, the door closes, and the chat begins anew. The meeting is conducted expediently. An accord is reached. Calls are made. Desired results realized.

There is no outward change in Stein's public regard for Hillary Clinton. But HRC's lawyers have been able to persuade Stein to initiate the recount. Kellyanne Conway still asserts 'sore loser' comments on cue, but they aren't directly aimed at Hillary Clinton but at Jill Stein.

[oberliner]

39. I could see it

Here's my scenario:

Jill fancies herself the hero of the left. Frustrated by Bernie stealing her thunder and rebuking any attempts to form an alliance with her, she desperately searches for a way to become relevant after her dismal showing in the election. She knows that some progressives are irritated with the role she might have played in getting Trump elected as she contemplates a means by which she can get back into the left's good graces.

Then, Eureka, it hits her like a bolt of lightning. The recount!

She will put herself front and center once again as the champion of the progressive movement that she always believed herself to be. Only this time, she will have hundreds of thousands of disaffected Hillary supporters cheering her on.

Knowing that they are desperate to defeat Trump any way possible, and that they are already suspicious of the shady goings on with respect to Russia and the election (something Ms. Stein is all too aware of, being a darling of the RT crowd herself), she hits on the idea of a fundraiser in support of a recount.

But how much should she ask for? A hasty search for filing fees for the three most obvious states to contest results in a total cost of around 2.2 million. Might as well throw in an extra half million or so for legal fees and other costs and shoot for a nice round number of 3 million. If she reaches that lofty goal, she can be seen as a hero of the left - and perhaps have a little money left over to retire whatever debts are outstanding and to gear up for future runs against Democrats - those same Democrats who are giving her the money. How delicious!

Stunningly, the 3 million is raised in a blink of an eye. This is easier than she thought. So she ups the lawyer fees by a few million and sets an even higher goal. And we're off to the races....

[saltpoint]

40. oberliner, all that remains now is for the

major Hollywood studios to contact us about a multi-million dollar screenwriting deal.

Let's decide now on a cushy office in a great location with our choice of administrative assistants...

[oberliner]

42. Sounds good to me

We could have the movie jump back and forth between the two scenarios. Audiences will be spellbound!

[saltpoint]

43. LOL. Ok, then, it's settled. I'm just

waiting for that phone t ring...

[flamingdem]

15. That doesn't mean they don't want them to donate, as you know Hillary is on board with this

She can't be the person pushing, not sure why you don't understand that Jill Stein is good cover for Hillary

[oberliner]

17. Jill Stein despises Hillary Clinton

And has done everything in her power to prevent her from becoming President.

The idea of Democrats giving Jill Stein money after the way she treated us makes me ill.

[flamingdem]

20. I know but you know what they say

about politics and strange bedfellows.

I do find her twitter feed comments offensive

[Glassunion]

4. Waste your money if you want to.

She isn't getting a dime from me.

This recount will not change anything.

[oberliner]

5. And then she will up the "goal" for her fundraiser

Ten million anyone?

[BlueMTexpat]

6. Stein likely has no standing to

request recounts in any state where she was not on the ballot as a candidate. http://www.jill2016.com/ballot_access

Just sayin' ...

[SickOfTheOnePct]

10. Agree

There are states though that permit voters to file - that's what she's doing in PA.

How long after this mess is over do you think it will be before states start changing their recount laws?

[BlueMTexpat]

12. Per her chart, she was actually on the ballot in PA. eom

.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

13. Oh absolutely

I was just pointing out that she's going the voter route in PA.

Candidates can't request a recount in PA, they can only challenge the results in court, then a judge determines whether or not a recount is required. I'm guessing she knew she would be laughed out of court, having lost PA by millions of votes, so she's going with the voter initiated recount there.

[BlueMTexpat]

23. OK - thanks for the clarification!

[Travis_0004]

7. Google.com

I hear you can find information there.

[Hekate]

14. If she pulls this off.... Redemption, bigly.

[flamingdem]

21. My thoughts exactly, in fact I'm willing to partially forgive her just for getting this rolling

It needed to happen and it will cost every penny

[Hekate]

28. If this is still going on when I get my new upgraded computer, This non-Green Democrat is...

...going to toss a few bucks in the Jill Stein recount kitty.

[LisaL]

41. What do you think its going to do in the end?