Trump made this election about "IDENTITY POLITICS" the day he attacked Mexican immigrants.

[emulatorloo]

He introduced racism into the 2016 election. He introduced sexism. He hired alt-right darling Bannon. The list goes on and on.

I am tiring of the revisionist history going on in "2016 Postmortem" regarding how terrible the Democrats were making the election about "identity politics."

That's bullshit. Don't piss on my shoe and tell me it's raining.

[Hoyt]

1. Yep, that was the exact point he became the primary leader. Bigots took notice.

[Xipe Totec]

2. I'm of two minds on this point

Yes, Trump started it.

But we didn't have to go down that path to the exclusion of all others.

As a Mexican-American, Trump infuriated me. I wanted to beat him senseless like a piñata.

But that's not enough to win an election.

You can go down the list with every aggrieved demographic.

Those are the issues that divide us from the Republicans.

But that only gets you so-far.

To win, you have to offer something that unites the entire country.

You need to offer a plan. And by offering, I mean talk about it, not just point to a web-page.

There's a whole mess of voters that did not feel included in our message.

They did not feel we were looking after their interests.

[guillaumeb]

3. Recommended. Trump offered a solution.

Or what looks like one if one does not examine it too closely.

And a significant portion of the country does not have the Internet.

[emulatorloo]

5. We did not go on a "path to exclusion of all others". Clinton talked policy including jobs/economy

While it may be fun to pretend she didn't, she did.

[Xipe Totec]

8. And yet, here we are.

When Comey decided to come out with the "maybe the investigation ain't over yet" letter, The Hillary campaign switched from their original plan to deliver a positive message to the country to delivering yet another attack on the Trumpenfuhrer.

In retrospect that was a mistake.

She needed to deliver a message of hope to Blue Collar America, but instead she went right back into the mud pit with a man who has spent his entire life fighting in it.

[Cosmocat]

10. I agree that comey is a pos

But hill said plenty of positive things, they just never got wind because that wouldnt fit her media frame.

Meanwhile they voted a pos who spent a year and a half portraying the us as worse than mad max.

[emulatorloo]

12. Media frame yes. Good analysis.

Media just wanted to report on "fights" between Trump and HRC. Drama not policy.

[Cosmocat]

14. Yep

Nm

[bettyellen]

15. The media proved it had no interest at all in covering policy this year- did you see the stats?!?!

And what that did was put the candidates on an equal footing because Trump had vague and ever changing ideas instead of concrete proposals and HRC had pages and pages of detailed plans. She could not stop the press from staging the shit show they were determined to give us.

But let's not repeat the crap that she didn't have great plans or that she never talked about them. that is utter nonsense. Not helpful.

[emulatorloo]

16. Amen.

[bettyellen]

17. I'm up to here from hearing this - obviously from people who never listened to a full speech

[Cosmocat]

7. 99 percent there

The waters edge is cultural.

People can want to think its about their best interests, but its 100 cultural.

The next time donald trump does something for anyone not named Trump will be the first time.

[Cosmocat]

4. You are correct but the outcome was the same

The last 1 1/2 year can be summed up like this - Trump or the rs get up each day and say something horrible about some none white christian group, and Democrats would jump to their defense - Mexicans, muslims, blm, transgenders ...

It is the right thing to defend the rights of ALL americans, but is a loser politically when it becomes the primary discussion point. NOT SAYING IT IS THEIR FAULT.

This is what Bernie is saying.

[emulatorloo]

6. "Ex-Sanders aide: 'We don't need white people leading the Democratic Party right now'"

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/23/politics/dnc-leadership-diversity/index.html

So glad we are now past identity politics.

(Not that I disagree w Symone Sanders' assessment re DNC leadership. I do agree with her)

[Cosmocat]

9. Sanders AIDE

He did not say that, what he said was not that.

[emulatorloo]

11. My OP isn't really about Bernie's statements, as Bernie doesn't post on DU

in the 2016 Postmortem Forum.

[Cosmocat]

13. That want my point

In regard to Bernie, just a final thought.

Point stands, you are correct trump STARTED it, but he drug hill and the Ds into a losing battle.

[duffyduff]

18. It is about white dude identity. Period. n/t