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NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:41 PM Nov 2016

Its Not Like He Didnt TELL You

Throughout the Trump campaign, I maintained that he never wanted the job – ergo, he never wanted to win. Of course, as a man with an ego bigger than the known universe, he enjoyed the rallies, the media attention, the idea of running for president – but he never thought he’d win, and he did everything to ensure that he didn’t.

As I watched the campaign unfold, I could feel him going through his checklist, saying and doing all the things that would ensure he would never see the inside of the White House other than as a tourist.

Mock a disabled man – check. Insult Mexicans – check. Label Muslims as terrorists – check. Call AAs inherently lazy – check. Demonize immigrants - check.

I actually pictured Trump jumping up and down with glee as the Access Hollywood tapes were released, and as Melania’s nude photos appeared in the tabloids – and even wondered if he had arranged such things himself, an insurance policy of sorts that would turn the public against him with a vengeance.

Trump’s performance art at the debates was, to give credit where it’s due, among his finest hours. What better way to drive home the idea that he is a misogynistic, ego-driven bully than to literally stalk Hillary on-stage, calling her a nasty woman while, at the same time, demonstrating his complete lack of knowledge about government, domestic and foreign affairs, and bragging about being “too smart” to pay taxes?

It all added up. The pending lawsuits, the allegations of sexual assault, the many stories about having defrauded trusting citizens out of fees paid to his “university”, the hard-working businessmen he refused to pay for their services, the outsourcing of his brand-name merchandise to low-wage countries, the use of undocumented workers to build his real estate empire built with steel sourced from China instead of being purchased from US manufacturers - even ties to Putin and indebtedness to Russian interests were proffered as the cherry on a totally unsavoury, un-American cake.

Other than wearing a flashing neon sign around his neck saying “DON’T vote for ME”, the man did everything he could to be despised, hated, and eventually dismissed as rich white trash by every single voter in the country, regardless of political affiliation.

In a last-ditch effort to cover his own inevitable loss - a loss he had carefully hand-crafted himself - Trump introduced the idea of a "rigged election" being at fault, a CYA excuse that would allow him to lose with his ego still intact.

But then it all went terribly wrong. The racists LOVED him, the bigots ADORED him, the MSM fawned over him, and so-called “Christian” leaders described him as a pussy-grabbing-but-moral-man who had been chosen by God to lead a nation with his “piece of ass” daughter, his “deer caught in the headlights” wife, and his endangered-animal-slaughtering sons at his side.

Since having been declared the pResident-elect, Trump has continued his campaign as the “you really DON’T want me running things” candidate. He has made it abundantly clear that not only does he not want the job, he is more than willing to remind everyone that he REALLY doesn’t want it. He is choosing the most unacceptable advisors and cabinet members, he has raised his middle finger to the idiots who bought into his bullshit – “You were a fool – you trusted me” – and has made a point of reminding us all that he will not will not go quietly into that Oval Office good night.

In summary, Donald Trump is mad as hell. He has been saddled with responsibilities he never wanted, he’s been elected to a position where he will be brutally criticized every day of his life for his ineptitude, he has been thrust onto a world stage where he will be proven inadequate by every measure on a global scale.

Make no mistake about it. Trump is a man who seeks revenge against those who have crossed him – and the first victims of that revenge will be the people who were stupid enough to vote for him.

If Hillary decides to challenge the outcome of this election and wins, no one will heave a more resounding sigh of relief than the man who is still hoping to escape the noose that is tightening itself around his flabby orange neck.

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Its Not Like He Didnt TELL You (Original Post) NanceGreggs Nov 2016 OP
"He is choosing the most unacceptable advisors and cabinet members..." Adsos Letter Nov 2016 #1
That's my impression, too. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #8
My thought was it was an ef you to the GOP (that didn't support him). C Moon Nov 2016 #19
Allow me to clarify. Adsos Letter Nov 2016 #25
That's true. I think he even said that when he was looking for a VP. C Moon Nov 2016 #29
1... IthinkThereforeIAM Nov 2016 #39
Yeap, Trump's next pick will be David Duke for sec of labor uponit7771 Nov 2016 #2
Are you ever going to be able to write something that I can't recommend..more than once if shraby Nov 2016 #3
Going full kleptocrat will be his consolation BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #4
I have got to stop reading DU for the night... Adsos Letter Nov 2016 #5
60 million people apparently thought this was a good idea BeyondGeography Nov 2016 #7
I love everything you said about him except I don't agree with you that he didn't want it mtnsnake Nov 2016 #6
No one who wants to be POTUS ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #9
He could insult these groups because he didn't need them to get elected. LisaL Nov 2016 #43
No upside? He'll get his huge debts to China and Russia wiped out, discount land in a variety bettyellen Nov 2016 #47
I bet it just kills him Hillary won the popular vote Skittles Nov 2016 #15
yes C Moon Nov 2016 #20
You said it, Skittles. Check out what the disgusting sociopath said about that very thing: mtnsnake Nov 2016 #24
My wife agrees with you and has been telling people this for months. guillaumeb Nov 2016 #10
If you're right, then Mencken was wrong... First Speaker Nov 2016 #11
He did. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #12
Mencken said the American people are NOT stupid? world wide wally Nov 2016 #22
I like that he wants Mattis on his team.. JHan Nov 2016 #13
I agree. crim son Nov 2016 #17
And if he has had dreams of doing great things.... JHan Nov 2016 #23
And now Trump's ignoring intelligence briefings. betsuni Nov 2016 #14
I can't respect Trump voters Skittles Nov 2016 #16
Amen. crim son Nov 2016 #18
Agreed. TwilightZone Nov 2016 #28
Great perspective on this nonsense! world wide wally Nov 2016 #21
Slight correction, we will all be his victims. anamandujano Nov 2016 #26
True. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #57
Disagree. LisaL Nov 2016 #27
He wants the title and the adulation... 3catwoman3 Nov 2016 #30
And that will be his undoing ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #31
The Peter Principle... 3catwoman3 Nov 2016 #32
Do you realize you just described the plot hueymahl Nov 2016 #33
... ancianita Nov 2016 #36
The fact that he was elected in spite of all of that serves as a testament to how fuck up America is MrScorpio Nov 2016 #34
He wasn't elected in spite of it all. LisaL Nov 2016 #45
This is nothing short of fabulous, mostly because I SO hope he's not serious. But I fear ancianita Nov 2016 #35
Nance, Respectfully, I think you are wrong Flatpicker Nov 2016 #37
With all due respect ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #41
He doesn't want the responsibilities. That's why he has Pence. LisaL Nov 2016 #42
I didn't say he wanted the responsibilities Flatpicker Nov 2016 #46
Sorry, but NO. NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #48
Both Hillary and Trump knew the rules going in. LisaL Nov 2016 #49
If he'd wanted to win ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #51
Considering he did win campaigning the way he did, LisaL Nov 2016 #52
The majority of voters ... NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #56
The way he did Flatpicker Nov 2016 #58
He didn't need to win a majority of voters. LisaL Nov 2016 #59
Allegedly. n/t NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #60
Not doing that. Flatpicker Nov 2016 #50
Oh, I'm sure you did. n/t NanceGreggs Nov 2016 #53
93% sure Flatpicker Nov 2016 #54
I have a slightly different take. He wanted what he THOUGHT was the job was problem is, he was wrong stevenleser Nov 2016 #38
1 Dawson Leery Nov 2016 #40
He will have his VP working 12-16 hours while he will be running around claiming he is making LisaL Nov 2016 #44
Attention Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #55

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
1. "He is choosing the most unacceptable advisors and cabinet members..."
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 11:46 PM
Nov 2016

A thought struck me last night: Trump's appointments are his last hope to flip the EC, the equivalent of the prisoner John McCain's blinking out T...O...R...T...U...R...E to the TV cameras back in the day...

The thought passed, but it was an entertaining one for a bit.

NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
8. That's my impression, too.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:11 AM
Nov 2016

It's like he is literally begging to be heard saying, "I WILL fuck you all up - believe me! I WASN'T kidding!"

Dubya was a disaster - and he actually WANTED the job. Imagine four years of someone who not only DOESN'T want it, but is apparently willing to drive that message home every day he's in office.

This will be the all-revenge pResidency - and no one will escape the ire of he who never wanted to be there in the first place.

C Moon

(12,221 posts)
19. My thought was it was an ef you to the GOP (that didn't support him).
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 02:19 AM
Nov 2016

Also, it appears to me that most of those he's putting in place will be loyal to him.
I wish I had you're beliefs that he doesn't want the job, but I think he does; and is going to try to make a mockery of the US laws and our system of government.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
25. Allow me to clarify.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:09 PM
Nov 2016

I think he wants the office for the potential financial benefits. In fact, there has been discussion about the meaning of the Emoluments Clause in relationship to this guy and the nest of grifters he calls a family.

I don't think he has any desire to actually perform the difficult, nuanced task of governing. He will leave that to his appointees, and his supporters in Congress, just as you suggested.

I think what we now have is President Pence, and Vice-President Ryan.

Happy Thanksgiving.

C Moon

(12,221 posts)
29. That's true. I think he even said that when he was looking for a VP.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 04:13 PM
Nov 2016

Insiders said he'll let the VP do all the work.
I guess that's why he's turning down daily security briefings.
I really hope we can get rid of him.
Happy Thanksgiving!

shraby

(21,946 posts)
3. Are you ever going to be able to write something that I can't recommend..more than once if
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:00 AM
Nov 2016

it were possible.
You nail it every time and are excellent at putting the words together. Thumbs up again Nance.

BeyondGeography

(39,377 posts)
4. Going full kleptocrat will be his consolation
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:01 AM
Nov 2016

If that's taken away from him he'll lose all interest and short the presidency. But so far so good:

...in one area Trump has been clear: he will continue to use his election to advance his business interests. In a single week, there have been more unprecedented conflicts of interest uncovered than a typical President faces in a full term in office. To summarize:

* Trump, in a call with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, “praised one of his Turkish business partners as a ‘close friend’ and ‘your great admirer.’ ”

* Trump asked a British politician about wind farms that are ruining the view of a Trump golf course in Scotland.

* Trump’s children discussed “additional projects” in the “Philippine resort and leisure sector” with the new Philippine envoy, who happens to be a Trump business partner.

* Trump will soon oversee the Justice Department’s case against Deutsche Bank, Trump’s biggest lender, which stands accused of major abuses during the housing-loan crisis and whose demise could damage Trump’s business empire.

* Salesmen at Trump International Hotel in Washington recently held an event marketing the hotel to diplomats, one of whom told the Washington Post, “Why wouldn’t I stay at his hotel, blocks from the White House, so I can tell the new President, ‘I love your new hotel!’ Isn’t it rude to come to his city and say, ‘I am staying at your competitor?’ “

* Trump and his children recently met with Trump’s Indian business partners and discussed U.S.-India policy.

* Trump told President Ilham Aliyev, the autocratic ruler of Azerbaijan, where a Trump hotel project has been stalled, “that he heard very good words about” him, “and wished the head of state success in his activities,” according to Azerbaijan’s official news service.

* Trump included his daughter Ivanka, one of his three adult children to whom he is allegedly turning over his company, in a meeting with Shinzo Abe, Japan’s Prime Minister.

* Trump and Ivanka took a congratulatory call from Mauricio Macri, the President of Argentina, and a few days later a long-stalled Trump project in Buenos Aires reportedly became unstuck.


http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/donald-trumps-second-perplexing-week-as-president-elect

mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
6. I love everything you said about him except I don't agree with you that he didn't want it
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:09 AM
Nov 2016

I think he wanted it more than ever. To lose would have been a deathblow for him, simply unacceptable. He would have called for the riot act. The reason he was acting in the manner you described is because he is really that way. He is a full blown sociopath with absolutely no conscience. He has no regard for anyone but himself and he is someone who will lie, cheat, steal, and do whatever it takes to belittle anyone who stands in his way and someone who has no empathy for anyone in need. When things don't go his way he plays the pity card just like so many other sociopaths do. I think he wanted this win more than anything.

NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
9. No one who wants to be POTUS ...
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:38 AM
Nov 2016

... does EVERYTHING to ensure that he won't be.

You don't insult every voting demographic you need to win - you don't come off as an obnoxious bully at every opportunity - you don't demonstrate your complete ignorance of government and international affairs at every turn - you don't call vets with PTSD and prisoners-of-war "weak", you don't brag about being "too smart" to pay taxes, you don't outsource American jobs to low-wage countries, you don't refuse to release your income taxes, you don't demonize immigrants, you don't call your own daughter "a piece of ass", you don't make fun of people with disabilities, and you don't call minorities lazy losers.

There is no up side to being pOTUS for Trump. It means constant criticism, which we know he hates. It means scrutiny of his business dealings, which we know he doesn't want. It means a lack of personal privacy, which we know he abhors.

He wanted to lose - and he went through the playbook of "Losing an Election for Dummies" leaving no sure-fire road to defeat untraveled.

Had he wanted to win, he would have avoided all of the usual pitfalls, and profferred himself as what he wasn't. The fact that he embraced his own worst attributes, rather than hide them, is proof positive that he never wanted to win in the first place.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
43. He could insult these groups because he didn't need them to get elected.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:17 AM
Nov 2016

The group he was going for what his base. Clearly there was enough of white males with only up to high school education to get him elected. So, no he didn't insult the voting demographic he needed to win. If he did that he wouldn't have won.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
47. No upside? He'll get his huge debts to China and Russia wiped out, discount land in a variety
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:12 AM
Nov 2016

Of countries. Arrangements with dozens of nations to pay no to very low taxes. And inside information which will allow him to get first dibs on any killer opportunity.

I don't think he's tried to blow it, I think he wanted to appear not to care. It's his macho bluster. But otherwise this is the real HIM!

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
10. My wife agrees with you and has been telling people this for months.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:40 AM
Nov 2016

I think he is such a narcissist that he would do anything for attention.

Recommended and well written.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
11. If you're right, then Mencken was wrong...
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 12:54 AM
Nov 2016

...Trump actually underestimated the stupidity of the American people...at least, a plurality of them...

JHan

(10,173 posts)
13. I like that he wants Mattis on his team..
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 01:51 AM
Nov 2016

And that's about it.

Mittens may make a decent Sec of State.

I think the idea of the Presidency is warming up in his mind. He'll leave other people to handle stuff. Pence will do the daily briefings, he gets diplomats to stay at his hotels. Profit/win!

And he'll get away with it.

Remember folks, Reagan was half aware most of the times, but he only got away with it because he had talented people around him ( ideology aside) And unlike Melania, Nancy wasn't an ornament AND she had astrologers ( LOL)

crim son

(27,464 posts)
17. I agree.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 02:17 AM
Nov 2016

It started off as a form of entertainment with huge possibilities for profit but by the time election day rolled around I think he was all in. No question he's been taken by surprise but I see him viewing the presidency, now, as a gift. I'm betting he's had dreams of actually doing the right thing. He won't though; he can't. He's mentally ill and incapable of the wisdom, diplomacy and discretion required in a truly great leader. More than that, he's going to tire of the burden of responsibility very quickly.

JHan

(10,173 posts)
23. And if he has had dreams of doing great things....
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 02:37 AM
Nov 2016

.. it's only because of the adoration he will get out of it. The man is a thorough narcissist. I am really worried about Bannon. Bannon is spouting bullshit about "American Nationalism". These people are going to set us back big time.

HRC was the better choice in every way.

betsuni

(25,598 posts)
14. And now Trump's ignoring intelligence briefings.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 02:09 AM
Nov 2016

I feel like Trump is doing to America what my brother used to do to me: grab me by the arm and slap me with my own hand while saying, "Why are you hitting yourself? Why do you hate yourself? Violence is never the answer, you know" etc. He'd also talk me into giving him a bite of whatever I was eating, like a sandwich, and after I'd finally give in he'd shove the whole thing in his mouth and hand me back a square of crust -- technically a bite -- and laugh at me for being stupid enough to believe him. Naturally, he grew up to be a Republican.

For days after the election, all I could imagine was America saying to the rest of the world: "Hold my beer and watch this."

Skittles

(153,182 posts)
16. I can't respect Trump voters
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 02:15 AM
Nov 2016

seriously, I don't care how angry they are or how much they hate Hillary, the idea that they would let Trump anywhere NEAR the White House makes me SICK

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
26. Slight correction, we will all be his victims.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 02:56 PM
Nov 2016

As we watch him fill his cabinet with sociopaths, I don't see how anyone can think otherwise.

NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
57. True.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:03 AM
Nov 2016

The difference being that some of us KNOW what's coming, while there are those who don't know - yet.

3catwoman3

(24,031 posts)
30. He wants the title and the adulation...
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:00 PM
Nov 2016

...that comes with it.

No way in hell that he wants anything to do with the daily grind of actually doing the job. No way.

NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
31. And that will be his undoing ...
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:25 PM
Nov 2016

... along with the undoing of the party that now lives in cowering fear of what he will say and do that ruins their "brand" for decades to come.

MrScorpio

(73,631 posts)
34. The fact that he was elected in spite of all of that serves as a testament to how fuck up America is
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:29 PM
Nov 2016

We have met the enemy and it is ourselves.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
45. He wasn't elected in spite of it all.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:36 AM
Nov 2016

If he insulted the groups he needed to win, he wouldn't have won. He insulted the groups he didn't need to win. His base of white male voters obviously was enough to elect him.

ancianita

(36,132 posts)
35. This is nothing short of fabulous, mostly because I SO hope he's not serious. But I fear
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:36 PM
Nov 2016

that everything he's said and done that is already so wrong is exactly what he does when he IS serious.

We might be granting him too much intelligence by claiming that he doesn't want this presidency, or that everything he's done is meant to tell us that. I personally see him as monumentally stupid enough to believe he can brute force his way through this job, world leaders and any press coverage that doesn't take dictation.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
37. Nance, Respectfully, I think you are wrong
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:46 PM
Nov 2016

Last edited Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:32 AM - Edit history (1)

And you have been for awhile.

I don't want to belabor the point, but your articles just prior to the election through today, run on the assumption that your dealing with a candidate that didn't want to be there.

Yet, over and over again, the realities aren't matching the narrative you are positing.

It's possible that he wanted to win and has his (not the countries) best interests in mind. This isn't revenge for a unwanted win. This was the plan of a typical robber baron in action.

The reason I'm questioning your work is because as long as we infer the wrong motivations to his actions, we aren't going to be able to anticipate nor counter him.

Quite frankly, he's beating us senseless because we can't accept that someone would act in this way. We need to re-evaluate our positions on him and stop thinking he's a self-destructive entity. The evidence doesn't point to that at this time.

Also, let's not continue the fiction that Hillary is going to win a challenge to the election. The evidence isn't supporting that. I don't see her looking to raise the challenge.

NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
41. With all due respect ...
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:05 AM
Nov 2016

... anyone who actually WANTS to win a presidential election does not repeatedly distance themselves from vast swaths of voters.

One could argue that Trump's vilification of immigrants, Muslims, AAs, and other minorities tapped into the consciousness of voters who see all non-whites and all non-Christians as being a threat to "American values",

But he didn't stop there. How many voters do you think see the disabled as deserving of ridicule? How many voters do you think share Trump's sentiments that our veterans with PTSD are "weak"? How many voters do you think saw Trump's calling his own daughter a "piece of ass"as representative of their own moral values?

The man is an idiot - but he's not THAT stupid. He knows how to pretend to be what he isn't when it suits his purposes. But instead, he went out of his way to be as obnoxious as possible.

A man who goes out of his way to make fun of a disabled person is NOT looking to win votes - he's trying his best to LOSE them. A man who wants to be president doesn't insult the voters he KNOWS he needs. A man who wants to win doesn't insult a Gold Star family.

If you think Trump WANTED the responsibilities of the presidency, maybe you can explain why he did everything in his power to demonstrate how ill-suited for the job he actually is.





LisaL

(44,974 posts)
42. He doesn't want the responsibilities. That's why he has Pence.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:08 AM
Nov 2016

He wants the glory. As for him insulting all the groups he did-he obviously didn't need these groups to win the election.
Clearly there were enough white males with high school education to get him elected.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
46. I didn't say he wanted the responsibilities
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:43 AM
Nov 2016

I'm saying he wanted the job. (title, power, position).
He's always said that he would be a CEO president, he's not expecting to have to do anything except rubber stamp his underlings work.

The man garnered more attention and RW votes AFTER he mocked the disabled. It got him through the primary.
The Gold Star Family issue ended better for him than we thought.

This is what I'm trying to clarify. He didn't do anything in his power to demonstrate how ill suited for the job he is. (with his base)
Almost everything he has done has gained him votes in the demographics he needed.

He has consistently shown that he is the representative for a group that exists and had more of a voice than we knew.
He picked up on that and exploited it for a win.

We don't have to like that, but we have to accept that it was a plan that worked to win the election.

Thinking that he blundered his way into the Presidency, as some type of "failing upward" plan hasn't worked for us. We have to stop not taking him seriously.

You can't follow that narrative and expect to counteract him. It doesn't work.

I understand that to a Democrat he seems irrational. But, we have to accept he is rational, but has a terribly flawed perspective from our point of view. Once again, we have to think like his base. This is our weakness that we haven't done that.

If we follow that he wanted to lose but won anyway, then we can't fight back, because that's madness and we are beyond the looking glass and water is no longer wet, etc. We're ceding to him too much ground going that way.

Take him seriously and understand that he had a plan and executed it in order to win.
Then we can figure out how to beat him.

NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
48. Sorry, but NO.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:21 AM
Nov 2016

Trump NEVER wanted the presidency.

No matter who won, the spin was going to be how brilliant their strategy was, how they'd tuned-into the psyche of the American voter, how their campaign had done all the right things at the right time.

Just keep in mind that had Hillary won the electoral college vote as well as the popular vote, we'd all be hearing about how SHE ran the most brilliant campaign in history.

The pundits and the MSM inevitably declare the winner's "strategy" as premeditated and carefully crafted.

Trump "won" due to an antiquated electoral college system that gives more weight to the votes of SOME voters than the MAJORITY of voters nation-wide.

So let's stop pretending that Trump "won" due to his incredible appeal, his political acumen, his ability to win the hearts and minds of voters. He "won" because the vote of some ignorant, KKK-supporting, illiterate redneck in Bumfuck, Middle America, was worth more than the vote of the vast majority of those living elsewhere.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
49. Both Hillary and Trump knew the rules going in.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:32 AM
Nov 2016

He won due to antiquated electoral college system, but it's not like that was a surprise to anyone. Which is why it's pretty obvious he did know what he was doing. And he did want to win.

NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
51. If he'd wanted to win ...
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:51 AM
Nov 2016

... he wouldn't have campaigned the way he did.

The "win" meant responsibilities he didn't want to shoulder, actually "working" for a living, etc.

The "win" came with a job he didn't want.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
52. Considering he did win campaigning the way he did,
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:53 AM
Nov 2016

that just doesn't make sense to me. He will delegate responsibilities to Pence (which I am sure Pence was told before Pence agreed to the job).

NanceGreggs

(27,817 posts)
56. The majority of voters ...
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:00 AM
Nov 2016

... didn't vote for him.

So how does that figure into the "he won because of the way he campaigned" scenario?

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
59. He didn't need to win a majority of voters.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:05 AM
Nov 2016

Those are not the rules of the game. He needed to flip some states and that he did.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
50. Not doing that.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:45 AM
Nov 2016

I'm not going to bend reality to conform to a flawed assumption.

Did that enough prior to the election.

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
54. 93% sure
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:57 AM
Nov 2016

Just like I was told Hillary's chance of winning was.

To a person who you claim wanted to lose.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
38. I have a slightly different take. He wanted what he THOUGHT was the job was problem is, he was wrong
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 11:58 PM
Nov 2016

about what the job entails.

You saw that when he went to meet Obama. The actual job scared the crap out of him.

Trump does not want the actual job. He thought the Presidency was a mostly ceremonial job where you made 4-5 relatively quick decisions a day that your underlings did all the work to research.

He had no idea it is a 12-16 hour a day job 5 days a week and probably 4-6 hours each weekend day. He doesn't want something like that.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
44. He will have his VP working 12-16 hours while he will be running around claiming he is making
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 01:18 AM
Nov 2016

America great again. Problem solved.

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
55. Attention
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 02:57 AM
Nov 2016

That's all he wants and more money to feed his greed. He doesn't want to work and he doesn't care about the country or its people. It's all about himself. He isn't going to work but he will take any credit he can. I think it was supposed to be another one of his big cons. Make a movie. Write a book. Make a boatload of money. He still is going to make a boatload of money, he is just going to do it differently than planned. And he doesn't want to leave his golden palace to live in the White House. I don't see him lasting four years.

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