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kydo

(2,679 posts)
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 07:47 PM Nov 2016

NYmag: Activists Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States


Activists Urge Clinton Campaign to Challenge Election Results in 3 Swing States
By Gabriel Sherman

Hillary Clinton is being urged by a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers to call for a recount in three swing states won by Donald Trump, New York has learned. The group, which includes voting-rights attorney John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, the director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society, believes they’ve found persuasive evidence that results in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania may have been manipulated or hacked. The group is so far not speaking on the record about their findings and is focused on lobbying the Clinton team in private.

Last Thursday, the activists held a conference call with Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and campaign general counsel Marc Elias to make their case, according to a source briefed on the call. The academics presented findings showing that in Wisconsin, Clinton received 7 percent fewer votes in counties that relied on electronic-voting machines compared with counties that used optical scanners and paper ballots. Based on this statistical analysis, Clinton may have been denied as many as 30,000 votes; she lost Wisconsin by 27,000. While it’s important to note the group has not found proof of hacking or manipulation, they are arguing to the campaign that the suspicious pattern merits an independent review — especially in light of the fact that the Obama White House has accused the Russian government of hacking the Democratic National Committee.

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Blanks

(4,835 posts)
1. I don't know how you'd find proof of hacking...
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 07:52 PM
Nov 2016

Isn't all that proprietary and kept under lock and key?

Ford_Prefect

(7,901 posts)
4. Most states have rules about preserving the voting record in some form so it can be recounted.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:54 PM
Nov 2016

The form of that record varies form state to state. Recounting the vote can take several forms as well as we learned in Florida in 2000.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
2. This is Clinton's call, not the White House's
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 07:57 PM
Nov 2016

I don't think it's fair of them to ask her to let them focus on a smooth transition and ignore this - if her team thinks there's enough evidence to move.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
3. Opposite were the case. . .they would be all over the courts. Look at that slime McCrory in NC
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:51 PM
Nov 2016

If we do. . .can't you just accept the result, sore losers!

No challenge, it makes us look weak as Hell.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
8. Well no matter if he said that, remember he has to publicly, to maintain a common courtesy tradition
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:45 PM
Nov 2016

and be non partisan and unbiased.

Privately we have no idea.

But publicly whether he said it or not, President Obama always take the high road and that is what he also has to say.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
9. I don't think it's necessarily the high road at this point.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:51 PM
Nov 2016

A lot of people don't want to be abandoned to the clutches of this lunatic. The high road is not always the most tempered road.

BainsBane

(53,035 posts)
6. It's really about the voters
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:23 PM
Nov 2016

more than the candidate, but I believe state laws only allow candidates to challenge votes.

Bob41213

(491 posts)
12. Her chance of this doing any good are almost non existent...
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:08 AM
Nov 2016

She'd need to flip all 3 states, there's no proof, it's over. She's lucky she didn't lose Wisconsin by more (look at how Feingold did).

I'm sure in a few days after the deadlines to challenge have passed these articles are going to change to getting electors to flip. That's also going nowhere.

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