2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIF Hillary and Gore picked better running mates we would have had a clean sweep!!!
Senator Liebermans Remarks at the Republican Convention: http://elections.nytimes.com/2008/president/conventions/videos/transcripts/20080902_LIEBERMAN_SPEEC.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2000/08/08/news/gores-choice-for-his-running-matemoderate-senator-who-scorned-clinton.html
Gore's Choice for His Running Mate:Moderate Senator Who Scorned Clinton : Selecting Lieberman Is Seen as Bold Move; Religion May Be Issue
By BRIAN KNOWLTON and INTERNATIONAL HERALD TRIBUNE AUG. 8, 2000
WASHINGTON In a bold if not risk-free political stroke, Vice President Al Gore has selected Senator Joseph Lieberman of Connecticut as his running mate, making him the first Jewish candidate on a major-party presidential ticket.
"Miracles happen," a clearly delighted Mr. Lieberman told reporters Monday outside his home in New Haven, Connecticut. "I consider this a miracle for which I'm grateful." He was to join Mr. Gore in Nashville for a formal announcement Tuesday.
Mr. Lieberman, 58, is a widely respected member of the Senate, a man of strong positions but open to bipartisan solutions. He drew national attention two years ago when he took to the Senate floor to denounce President Bill Clinton's behavior in the Monica Lewinsky matter.
He had been seeking a third senatorial term he won six years ago with 67 percent of the vote and his name will remain on the Connecticut ballot for both offices.
FULL story at link.
metroins
(2,550 posts)The top of the ticket determines the outcome.
Nobody voted for Mike Pence or Dick Cheney.
I see the irony though.
SickOfTheOnePct
(7,290 posts)progressoid
(49,991 posts)Adding Pence to the ticket made Trump palatable for a lot of the GOP that were initially repulsed by Trump.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)was probably going to be President within the four years anyway. Trump will resign or be impeached.
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)would have been a better pick.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)but, somebody like Becerra would have driven up Latino turnout beyond where it already was and at least some of the surprising number that voted Trump (29%!!) maybe vote Clinton instead. Even swinging a fraction from Trump to Clinton could have swung Florida and a Michigan, PA or Wisconsin to Clinton.
libtodeath
(2,888 posts)MFM008
(19,818 posts)Kaine almost. Made no difference in Virginia.
Made little difference with latinos.
But not his fault.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)Hillary won by a much wider margin than they showed her winning by. There was another poll that showed she won 79-18. Also, precinct by precinct data indicates a much better performance.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)"They" probably should have picked someone more liberal and more charismatic, someone who both excited the base and could bring out the votes. In retrospect, someone from Michigan or Pennsylvania certainly couldn't have hurt.
We'll never know. I wonder who we could run that has an actual shot at taking back some Senate seats in 2018?
moonscape
(4,673 posts)it's really frightening.
Nevernose
(13,081 posts)At least right now we've got the filibuster.
Hopefully, after two years of a Republican government and the Trimp administration ALREADY going back on so many campaign promises, we can be on the offensive, even in the red states.
I tell myself this in hopes of avoiding the crippling fear and depression
moonscape
(4,673 posts)As for Red State offensive, how to penetrate with current media problem? It feels as though we need to fan out and actually sit in living rooms, and then one is still dealing with emotionally closed minds, not facts.
msongs
(67,420 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,662 posts)Get the point?
ismnotwasm
(41,992 posts)The loss was, as had been noted again and again, was Multifactorial.
mcar
(42,334 posts)There is no comparison between Kaine and Lieberman, none at all.
Omaha Steve
(99,662 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Not blaming you Steve, but TPP became a political football in this election and that's a shame.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Never has a running mate mattered as little as in this election. Clinton and Trump were the tickets. They are both brands and bigger than life.
This garbage is intellectually dishonest and an attempt to sow discord among democrats. Absolutely nothing more.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Vinca
(50,279 posts)This was the year of the outsider and that's why the Trumpenfuhrer won.
johnp3907
(3,732 posts)Try 5 next time.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Equating Joe with Tim Kaine is intellectually bankrupt to boot.
Omaha Steve
(99,662 posts)RonniePudding
(889 posts)I don't know if adding Bernie to the ticket (or if Al Gore selected someone else) would have made a difference. Hindsight is 20/20 and since the OP has been an extremely harsh critic of Clinton going back to the primaries it's worth viewing this OP through the proper lens.